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[Clonedzero]

Bad King wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

if its optional i dont see the harm.

athiests, especially on the internet are probably the most annoying an intolerant people on the earth. they tend to push their beliefs on people harder than any religious person ive ever met. its kinda disgusting.

Perhaps you shouldn't judge nonreligious people based on what you read on the internet.

im not.
nonreligious people are great.

people who define themselves as athiests are exactly how i described them. most athiests generally dont care. you could technically consider me an athiest, but ive met alot of those type of people in real life. i was at a party where a couple pseduointellectual athiests spent an hour berating a religious girl cus she wore a cross necklace. it was disgusting.

people who find religions offending when they're in things are well, ridiculous. especially when its optional content in a video game.

i find anyone who forces their beliefs on anyone to be disgusting, and my experiences in real life and on the itnernet have shown me that "hardcore athiests" are easily the worst offenders of pushing their beliefs on people.

i knew a guy who was going in for a minor surgery scream at someone because they said they'd pray for them.

its stupid. and no, again ill point out, im absolutely not religious at all.

[Kusy]

This threeeeead...


me gusta.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 28 août 2011 - 11:41 .

[RAF1940]

To be honest:

[Golden Owl]

Davie McG wrote...

I think it's a shame the people here are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game. Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at all.

Edit: typo.

The down fall with that is the assumption that a religious belief a person may hold dear to themselves and wish to project upon their Shep....examples: Buddhist, Animist, Taoist, etc..There is no God on high but their depth of belief and passion for it is just as valid...It's not a case of either you believe in a God or you believe in no spiritual intervention, there are many variables....Yes, sure I would like my Shep to have a spiritual discussion, I would love it, but that needs to remain in my imagination, I don't believe in a God, but neither do I believe in nothing spiritual...I wouldn't like this converstaion foisted upon me in ME3 and my choices being one or the other, very immersion breaking for me...yes, I do have a strong imagination in regards to who my Shep is beyond his words and acts in the game......I think the best answer could be Philosophy instead, it certainly allows for Sheps beliefs to remain ambiguous.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 28 août 2011 - 11:45 .

[Tommy6860]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

 problem solved

Now this could work in the context of the dsicussion.

[LGTX]

I didn't read through the whole thread, but I REALLY hope that the discussion already covered the fact that there are other religions apart from Christianity, the major ones of which Bioware might need to incorporate as well if they decide to support the latter. So ultimately, it's a lame waste of resources.

I'm pretty sure whatever belief your Shepards hold, dealing with sentient machines in control of the evolutionary cycle of all organic beings for billions of years isn't covered in them. Opinions aside, a personal moment for religious players would make for a nice touch, but like I noted above, waste of resources.

[Kusy]

Still this thread and people who troll themselves.

[JamieCOTC]

Ashley, sure. Would be in character. Actually, one of my Sheps is Catholic, but what she does about it is off screen and I'm happy w/ that.

[Clonedzero]

LGTX wrote...

I didn't read through the whole thread, but I REALLY hope that the discussion already covered the fact that there are other religions apart from Christianity, the major ones of which Bioware might need to incorporate as well if they decide to support the latter. So ultimately, it's a lame waste of resources.

I'm pretty sure whatever belief your Shepards hold, dealing with sentient machines in control of the evolutionary cycle of all organic beings for billions of years isn't covered in them. Opinions aside, a personal moment for religious players would make for a nice touch, but like I noted above, waste of resources.

i dunno, why would they need to?

you dont need to cater to everyone. thats just silly. they could just go "if shepard is religious then he's jewish, otherwise he's not religious" something like that.

they dont need to cover every religion that'd be silly.

[MACharlie1]

I think just a basic "believe in A god" or "don't believe in a god" or "I don't know if there is a higher being" would be sufficient. Three choices. Bam. No need to get into specifics of Muslims and Christians and Judaism.

[Izhalezan]

warriorN7 wrote...

notice how shepard was dead for 2 years and no one ever asked him if there was an afterlife

If anyone in the ME universe can say theres pearly gates, it's Shepard.

[Deventh]

No.Religion = bull****

Modifié par Deventh, 29 août 2011 - 12:22 .

[Davie McG]

Golden Owl wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I think it's a shame the people here are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game. Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at all.

Edit: typo.

The down fall with that is the assumption that a religious belief a person may hold dear to themselves and wish to project upon their Shep....examples: Buddhist, Animist, Taoist, etc..There is no God on high but their depth of belief and passion for it is just as valid...It's not a case of either you believe in a God or you believe in no spiritual intervention, there are many variables....Yes, sure I would like my Shep to have a spiritual discussion, I would love it, but that needs to remain in my imagination, I don't believe in a God, but neither do I believe in nothing spiritual...I wouldn't like this converstaion foisted upon me in ME3 and my choices being one or the other, very immersion breaking for me...yes, I do have a strong imagination in regards to who my Shep is beyond his words and acts in the game......I think the best answer could be Philosophy instead, it certainly allows for Sheps beliefs to remain ambiguous.

It is a valid point that one may not believe in a single God but may still be spiritual or believe in multiple Gods. Perhaps a philosophical discussion would cover more bases in the ambiguous manner that would be preferable.

But would anyone want a long philosophical discussion about religion in the middle of their Mass Effect game?

Perhaps a few that enjoy some philosphical debate but I bet it wouldn't be many. Short and sweet I think would be better but I have no idea how they would be able to go about it. Suppose that's why I'm not a writer.

[MACharlie1]

Davie McG wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I think it's a shame the people here are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game. Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at all.

Edit: typo.

The down fall with that is the assumption that a religious belief a person may hold dear to themselves and wish to project upon their Shep....examples: Buddhist, Animist, Taoist, etc..There is no God on high but their depth of belief and passion for it is just as valid...It's not a case of either you believe in a God or you believe in no spiritual intervention, there are many variables....Yes, sure I would like my Shep to have a spiritual discussion, I would love it, but that needs to remain in my imagination, I don't believe in a God, but neither do I believe in nothing spiritual...I wouldn't like this converstaion foisted upon me in ME3 and my choices being one or the other, very immersion breaking for me...yes, I do have a strong imagination in regards to who my Shep is beyond his words and acts in the game......I think the best answer could be Philosophy instead, it certainly allows for Sheps beliefs to remain ambiguous.

It is a valid point that one may not believe in a single God but may still be spiritual or believe in multiple Gods. Perhaps a philosophical discussion would cover more bases in the ambiguous manner that would be preferable.

But would anyone want a long philosophical discussion about religion in the middle of their Mass Effect game?

Perhaps a few that enjoy some philosphical debate but I bet it wouldn't be many. Short and sweet I think would be better but I have no idea how they would be able to go about it. Suppose that's why I'm not a writer.

Obsidian had this throughout KOTOR II with Kreia and the Exile...and Kreia (probably the first female character over the age of 30) wins character of the year rightfully so. 

[LGTX]

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

I didn't read through the whole thread, but I REALLY hope that the discussion already covered the fact that there are other religions apart from Christianity, the major ones of which Bioware might need to incorporate as well if they decide to support the latter. So ultimately, it's a lame waste of resources.

I'm pretty sure whatever belief your Shepards hold, dealing with sentient machines in control of the evolutionary cycle of all organic beings for billions of years isn't covered in them. Opinions aside, a personal moment for religious players would make for a nice touch, but like I noted above, waste of resources.

i dunno, why would they need to?

you dont need to cater to everyone. thats just silly. they could just go "if shepard is religious then he's jewish, otherwise he's not religious" something like that.

they dont need to cover every religion that'd be silly.

If I had to use that argument so bluntly, I'd use it to disregard the reasons for this thread even existing...

[Golden Owl]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I think it's a shame the people here are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game. Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at all.

Edit: typo.

The down fall with that is the assumption that a religious belief a person may hold dear to themselves and wish to project upon their Shep....examples: Buddhist, Animist, Taoist, etc..There is no God on high but their depth of belief and passion for it is just as valid...It's not a case of either you believe in a God or you believe in no spiritual intervention, there are many variables....Yes, sure I would like my Shep to have a spiritual discussion, I would love it, but that needs to remain in my imagination, I don't believe in a God, but neither do I believe in nothing spiritual...I wouldn't like this converstaion foisted upon me in ME3 and my choices being one or the other, very immersion breaking for me...yes, I do have a strong imagination in regards to who my Shep is beyond his words and acts in the game......I think the best answer could be Philosophy instead, it certainly allows for Sheps beliefs to remain ambiguous.

It is a valid point that one may not believe in a single God but may still be spiritual or believe in multiple Gods. Perhaps a philosophical discussion would cover more bases in the ambiguous manner that would be preferable.

But would anyone want a long philosophical discussion about religion in the middle of their Mass Effect game?

Perhaps a few that enjoy some philosphical debate but I bet it wouldn't be many. Short and sweet I think would be better but I have no idea how they would be able to go about it. Suppose that's why I'm not a writer.

Obsidian had this throughout KOTOR II with Kreia and the Exile...and Kreia (probably the first female character over the age of 30) wins character of the year rightfully so. 

Interesting...I would like to see that....I recently finally aquired KOTOR but haven't played it yet...must get onto it....I would really like to see how they implemented it.

[Golden Owl]

Davie McG wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

I think it's a shame the people here are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game. Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at all.

Edit: typo.

The down fall with that is the assumption that a religious belief a person may hold dear to themselves and wish to project upon their Shep....examples: Buddhist, Animist, Taoist, etc..There is no God on high but their depth of belief and passion for it is just as valid...It's not a case of either you believe in a God or you believe in no spiritual intervention, there are many variables....Yes, sure I would like my Shep to have a spiritual discussion, I would love it, but that needs to remain in my imagination, I don't believe in a God, but neither do I believe in nothing spiritual...I wouldn't like this converstaion foisted upon me in ME3 and my choices being one or the other, very immersion breaking for me...yes, I do have a strong imagination in regards to who my Shep is beyond his words and acts in the game......I think the best answer could be Philosophy instead, it certainly allows for Sheps beliefs to remain ambiguous.

It is a valid point that one may not believe in a single God but may still be spiritual or believe in multiple Gods. Perhaps a philosophical discussion would cover more bases in the ambiguous manner that would be preferable.

But would anyone want a long philosophical discussion about religion in the middle of their Mass Effect game?

Perhaps a few that enjoy some philosphical debate but I bet it wouldn't be many. Short and sweet I think would be better but I have no idea how they would be able to go about it. Suppose that's why I'm not a writer.

Yes, it would have to be done superbly well to get away with it....but BW has done some brilliant work so far in this regard...I honestly do think they could pull it off.

Short bursts maybe....nothing that we need to spend hours trying to wrap our heads around....but still remaining intelligent and clear.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 29 août 2011 - 12:34 .

[Volus Warlord]

[Sundance31us]

:innocent:

[BlueMagitek]

Why not? Since when were more options a bad thing?

[Kusy]

Last christmass.

[MACharlie1]

Golden Owl wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Obsidian had this throughout KOTOR II with Kreia and the Exile...and Kreia (probably the first female character over the age of 30) wins character of the year rightfully so. 

Interesting...I would like to see that....I recently finally aquired KOTOR but haven't played it yet...must get onto it....I would really like to see how they implemented it.

Most of it is optional and is just her talking on the Ebon Hawk - nothing really special. But it's important to actually pay attention to what she has to say. I do admit that sometimes it might go over one's head and you have to wait while selecting dialog to comprehend what she's saying.

[Golden Owl]

Volus Warlord wrote...

....Please, please tell me that's not your average, every day American family........j/k....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 29 août 2011 - 12:45 .

[SPACE_GREASER]

no. its a video game. bioware adding homos to the game was damaging enough.

[Heather Cline]

I'm non-religious, forcing religion on gamers in a game is not right. I find it offensive.