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[Davie McG]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Praying has NO place in this game. It is a stupid idea that I cannot believe has produced 15 pages worth of commentary.

Seriously, PRAYING? Absolute most ridiculous idea I have ever seen suggested here. I would much rather have Shepard be able to surf on Virmire rather then a "pray" option. Serves no point at all.

Right and suddenly changing Shepard's sexual preference/orientation totally doesn't have the same effect.

Giving a religious background to the character in terms of dialogue and behavior makes it more personalized experience. Frankly this choice is more logical than the SS debate one, I can't see logically why this one wasn't within the game in the first place. Many human beings are religious, this is logical to include.

It is already included. In Mass Effect 1 Shepard states out loud whether or not he believes in God.

[FlyingWalrus]

This thread is pathetic, for many reasons.

But capital amongst them must be the the way the militant atheists derailed this with their insulting and rather unenlightened black and white thoughts. Get over yourselves.

The best way of incorporating this into the game would have been the way it was handled in ME1, with Shepard and Ashley. Someone early in the thread, before it became a shameful circlejerk, suggested a good and universalist way to handle the concept of a moment of prayer in the game.

With that, I exit.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 29 août 2011 - 03:27 .

[ubermensch007]

Some here have said that they think that if BioWare gave us as the players the option of having Shep pray, that it would not add anything to the game and that it would be a waste of resources.

I respectfully disagree...

Others have mentioned that given how many religions there are.That whoever BW chose to have represented in-game; others would feel left out and disrespected.So BioWare is better off by leaving it out altogether...
Rubbish <_<

I gave an example of what Shepard's prayer to God could be like, like way back on Page 2 of this ThreadHere it is again for those who may have missed it:

It has been said that,"There is no atheist in a foxhole..." I've been thinking recently.Wouldn't it be cool -- Wouldn't it be a truly unforgettable moment in Gaming History.If in Mass Effect 3, Commander Shepard has a 'Talking (or Shouting or Crying out) to God moment!?! Self-reliance is a virtue.And we all have our pride.But even Jake Sully in James Cameron's Avatar: Had a moment where he had done all that he could do and asked Eywa: ( The guiding force and deity of Pandora and the Navi) for whatever help that it could provide.I don't know about
you.But I was really moved by a certain moment of the Reaper Invasion of Earth footage that we got to see.In the ME 3 Demo.

Anderson: God.How do you stop something so powerful?!

Shepard: I don't know?!

After hearing the both of these accomplished, strong, highly competent men.Speak so honestly to one another.Saying things that they would never want their subordinates to hear.Lest they lose morale.The vulnerability, that Admiral David Anderson and Commander John Shepard show here.Is a real 'tearjerker' moment.If you really think about it, for a minute..

BioWare has said that defeating the Reapers will seem hopeless and resistance futile; for a good percentage of the story.(I'm paraphrasing) On account of this I could so see Shepard have a moment, either in his cabin on the Normandy or at a religious site or graveyard; say something like this: (This will be optional of course.I don't
believe that BioWare should force every player to play this scene, if they don't want too.But I do believe that the option should be there.)

Shepard:

"Ha... You know -- My mother always told me that,"God will never put more on your shoulders than you can bare." I have come so far.I have cheated death.I have talked to the point of almost losing my voice.
Trying to convince people of the Reaper Invasion.Mostly to no avail... I'm not asking or expecting Angels to descend from the 3rd heaven to save us... But I need something.Some sign.Some - hope.Some.....................

............ INSPIRATION -- A Big Idea or a Point in the right direction.Something.... Just.... Something -- Sigh..."


Post Script: This is the Paragon Version of the Monologue or Dialogue that Shepard has with God.

One of my all time favorite movies would have been greatly diminshed if this monologue was removed:

Conan the Barbarian prays to his peoples God - Crum

Conan:Krum... I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it.No one.Not even you will remember.
If we were good men or bad.Why we fought.Or why we died.No... All that matters is that "two" stood against many.
That's what's important! Battle pleases you Crum.So grant me one request... Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen -- Than the hell with you!"
The writing here is beautiful and Arnold totally delivered. And I would love the OPTION of having Commander Shepard have such a moment...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 29 août 2011 - 03:31 .

[The Twilight God]

No sense praying. The Reapers are the ones who hear them.

http://www.bricktest...st/rv14_14.html

Clearly, the Reapers inspired the Bible.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 29 août 2011 - 03:28 .

[Sundance31us]

[The Twilight God]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You had a good idea, OP. But it looks like it would A) be difficult to implement and upset all of the more in-your-face Atheists here

Those types of "athiest" are just disgruntled catholics. They think calling themselves atheist will make god angry. It's pathetic really.

[Davie McG]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You had a good idea, OP. But it looks like it would A) be difficult to implement and upset all of the more in-your-face Atheists here (not all, a couple of them were very polite. I can respect that.).

I agree. I find it a little ironic how much preaching some atheists get done though. The whole trying to convert people to any form of belief is a little alien to me. Most people here are either Catholic or Protestant and neither are too keen on having the other convert to their side.

Seems Americans get it pretty bad from people on all sides though. I admit it'd get old fast if you were getting bombarded from all sides then turned on your xbox and seen it there too. I guess it's up to Bioware but I don't see them getting rid of religion in Mass Effect any time soon.


Edit: @ The Twilight God. As my granny says, "Theres no such thing as an Atheist, just a bad Catholic."

Modifié par Davie McG, 29 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[Blacklash93]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...


Right and suddenly changing Shepard's sexual preference/orientation totally doesn't have the same effect.

Every Shepard is different for all players. There was no "change".

I can't see logically why this one wasn't within the game in the first place.

It was, or did you not have that conversation with Ashley in ME1?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 29 août 2011 - 04:21 .

[Golden Owl]

Davie McG wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You had a good idea, OP. But it looks like it would A) be difficult to implement and upset all of the more in-your-face Atheists here (not all, a couple of them were very polite. I can respect that.).

I agree. I find it a little ironic how much preaching some atheists get done though. The whole trying to convert people to any form of belief is a little alien to me. Most people here are either Catholic or Protestant and neither are too keen on having the other convert to their side.

Seems Americans get it pretty bad from people on all sides though. I admit it'd get old fast if you were getting bombarded from all sides then turned on your xbox and seen it there too. I guess it's up to Bioware but I don't see them getting rid of religion in Mass Effect any time soon.


Edit: @ The Twilight God. As my granny says, "Theres no such thing as an Atheist, just a bad Catholic."

Oh, please 'No'....thats just a dirty reminder to me of an argument MY Granny and I had....

[Weiser_Cain]

Trust me, I'm an atheist.

[SPACE_GREASER]

it's nice to see this thread is still avoiding the pink elephants in the room.

[LilyasAvalon]

How come there's been so many religious topics lately...

...hm.

Anyway, I have nothing against Shepard having some sort of religious viewpoint... but it's more the question of... which religious viewpoint? Seriously, if Shepard is asked this in game, bioware would have to put down close to a couple of hundred options to choose from.

My FemShep for example believes in the... what did Mordin call it? Circle of Life? No, wait, that's from Lion King...

[Davie McG]

Golden Owl wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You had a good idea, OP. But it looks like it would A) be difficult to implement and upset all of the more in-your-face Atheists here (not all, a couple of them were very polite. I can respect that.).

I agree. I find it a little ironic how much preaching some atheists get done though. The whole trying to convert people to any form of belief is a little alien to me. Most people here are either Catholic or Protestant and neither are too keen on having the other convert to their side.

Seems Americans get it pretty bad from people on all sides though. I admit it'd get old fast if you were getting bombarded from all sides then turned on your xbox and seen it there too. I guess it's up to Bioware but I don't see them getting rid of religion in Mass Effect any time soon.


Edit: @ The Twilight God. As my granny says, "Theres no such thing as an Atheist, just a bad Catholic."

Oh, please 'No'....thats just a dirty reminder to me of an argument MY Granny and I had....

Oh aye, Catholicism.. the most adhesive religion on earth. In fact I just reminded myself of this.

[Izhalezan]

My Shepard didn't pray in ME1, he didn't pray in ME2, he won't be praying in ME3.
Heck, he was dead for 2 years and he never mentioned those pearly gates.

[LilyasAvalon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

How come there's been so many religious topics lately...

...hm.

Anyway,
I have nothing against Shepard having some sort of religious
viewpoint... but it's more the question of... which religious viewpoint?
Seriously, if Shepard is asked this in game, bioware would have to put
down close to a couple of hundred options to choose from.

My FemShep for example believes in the... what did Mordin call it? Circle of Life? No, wait, that's from Lion King...

The Circle of Life is a popular belief in eastern religions, it's basically the idea that there are world cycles, and once this one is over it will all start over again. So no, not Lion King.

But it's also in the Lion King!

[Weiser_Cain]

LilyasAvalon wrote...
But it's also in the Lion King!

Also Full Metal Jacket, but you have to look for it.
I am *deep breath* in a world of ****!

[whywhywhywhy]

J-Sheridan wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Just like not all atheists are built the same, neither are religious people or people who just believe. :innocent: 

I maybe Catholic, it doesn't mean I don't have a brain to understand that the Pope is just a man. 

Is God just a man cause I was under the impression he dosent approve of S/S either.
Are you willing to risk burning in hell for playing a sinful game like ME3 ?

That's exactly why it needs to be in there.

Davie McG wrote...

I think it's a shame the people here
are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game.
Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The
game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and
Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being
fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From
the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief
in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus
ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the
opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear
which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of
extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the
religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go
into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed
broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to
interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose
to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever
specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and
ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at
all.

Edit: typo.

Thanks for your mature post.

[Paula Deen]

No, for the sake of simplicity. How would you do it? In what way? How could you avoid controversy and offending anyone with the details of the scene?

[Weiser_Cain]

Paula Deen wrote...

No, for the sake of simplicity. How would you do it? In what way? How could you avoid controversy and offending anyone with the details of the scene?

You can't, that's why it's a no-no, religion and politics can lead to all sorts of crazy fighting.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

That's like asking if why Shepard shouldn't be allowed to masturbate in ME3. You ****** a lot of people off that way. Plus it wouldn't fit my character.

[SirOccam]

 I'm An Atheist™ too, but no, it wouldn't be offensive to have this as an option in the game. Why should it be? If we HAD to do it, then no, I wouldn't like it, but more because it would be incredibly lame more than offensive.

If the more devout Christians can get over the pre-marital sex, then why couldn't we get over them having the opportunity to beg an Invisible Boogeyman in the sky for help (presumably, if things went well after that, the Invisible Boogeyman would get credit, and if it didn't, it would be chalked up to the Invisible Boogeyman's assuredly wise and benevolent master plan, or else blamed on the Other Invisible Boogeyman)?

Anyway.

I find religion in general pretty distasteful, but the same goes for killing and I don't mind that in my games one bit.

Edit: In case it wasn't clear, I'm totally against this being in the game. Just for being way too tricky to implement properly, though (without a proportionally awesome payoff to justify the risk of clustereffery), and not for being offensive.

Modifié par SirOccam, 29 août 2011 - 05:32 .

[Golden Owl]

Davie McG wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You had a good idea, OP. But it looks like it would A) be difficult to implement and upset all of the more in-your-face Atheists here (not all, a couple of them were very polite. I can respect that.).

I agree. I find it a little ironic how much preaching some atheists get done though. The whole trying to convert people to any form of belief is a little alien to me. Most people here are either Catholic or Protestant and neither are too keen on having the other convert to their side.

Seems Americans get it pretty bad from people on all sides though. I admit it'd get old fast if you were getting bombarded from all sides then turned on your xbox and seen it there too. I guess it's up to Bioware but I don't see them getting rid of religion in Mass Effect any time soon.


Edit: @ The Twilight God. As my granny says, "Theres no such thing as an Atheist, just a bad Catholic."

Oh, please 'No'....thats just a dirty reminder to me of an argument MY Granny and I had....

Oh aye, Catholicism.. the most adhesive religion on earth. In fact I just reminded myself of this.

LMAO.......I LOVE it.......Yep, that had been the bane of my existance with my Granny....though much to her chargon it blew up in her face...due to the arguments I had with her, I phoned the church and asked how I could officially renounce the church...it was suprisingly simple, they did it right there and then on the phone for me....I was flabbergasted...Nana was not happy....Yup, its still pretty adhesive though, very insidious within the sub concious.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 29 août 2011 - 05:34 .