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[Weiser_Cain]

The problem isn't us atheist, we get bombarded by this stuff daily, the problem is leaving out/slighting other religious groups, those guy can throw a tantrum like nobody's business.

[LilyasAvalon]

@SirOccam: ...What's up with the Athiest™? o.O

[13th Pillar]

My Shepard is a devout Pastafarian, a strong proselytizer of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, whom is forever guarded against the Reapers by firm belief in His Noodliness.

Can I get a Ramen?

Modifié par 13th Pillar, 29 août 2011 - 05:49 .

[ubermensch007]

Izhalezan wrote...

My Shepard didn't pray in ME1, he didn't pray in ME2, he won't be praying in ME3.
Heck, he was dead for 2 years and he never mentioned those pearly gates.

That's probably b/c "No one sees the 'Pearly Gates' until the Day of Judgement"

From a theological perspective...Simply dying doesn't place one instantly before the presence of God.Though there is some debate on that i guess.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

If praying would be in ME3, it should be an option, which means it is not forced upon those who don't like praying, or are just don't care about it. So i don't see why many are saying its a bad idea.

That's like someone saying that romance options force romance upon people who don't want there shepard to have a romance.

Im sure Bioware could make the "prayer" option work without it being offensive.

Even if the "prayer" option does offend some people, why should it matter? It's not like the same-sex romance is not going to offend anyone at all.

[SirOccam]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

@SirOccam: ...What's up with the Athiest™? o.O

LOL, nothing. Just seemed like all the atheists' posts start out with that phrase.

[Weiser_Cain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

The problem isn't us atheist, we get bombarded by this stuff daily, the problem is leaving out/slighting other religious groups, those guy can throw a tantrum like nobody's business.

I'd agree, but just look at the last ten pages of clearly insulting comments by a lot of atheists. Again, not saying all of you are the problem, but most of the more rude posts seem to be.

I never said we weren't going to mock them, I'd mock the hell out of it. That's what the more vocal atheist do.
But that's all you have to worry about. Call me when atheists start trying to get the law to interfere with what you hear in church.

[13th Pillar]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

If praying would be in ME3, it should be an option, which means it is not forced upon those who don't like praying, or are just don't care about it. So i don't see why many are saying its a bad idea.

That's like someone saying that romance options force romance upon people who don't want there shepard to have a romance.

Im sure Bioware could make the "prayer" option work without it being offensive.

Even if the "prayer" option does offend some people, why should it matter? It's not like the same-sex romance is not going to offend anyone at all.

Yes, prayer.

Those who strongly adhere to the THE EIGHT I'D REALLY RATHER YOU DIDN'TS setforth on Mt.Salsa only pray in full pirate regala.

In order to worship in the correct manner, there also needs to be some sort of Holy Colander or at least a rice strainer present.

[SPACE_GREASER]

[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]neo7732 wrote...

it's nice to see this thread is still avoiding the pink elephants in the room.[/quote]

And those are....?


trying to validate practice of religion in a game / ealier on it was about  homosexuality  in a video game....if you hadnt picked up on the thread name yet for example.

[SPACE_GREASER]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

neo7732 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

neo7732 wrote...

it's nice to see this thread is still avoiding the pink elephants in the room.

And those are....?

trying to validate practice of religion in a game / ealier on it was about  homosexuality  in a video game....if you hadnt picked up on the thread name yet for example.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The topic is praying in ME3, or something akin to praying, but you feel it should be on why there is religion in ME3? if you'll look back to the first few pages a codex entry was quoted that showed the religions of various species such as the turians. It's not just humans.

And to answer specifically the question of validating practice of religion in the game, well I guess if you don't want to role-play, you don't have to. Some do, however.

No, I wasnt clear.  I can understand in game culture pertainging to certain species.  What isnt cool is adding prayer implimenting the actual practice of real world religion in a video game. 

Modifié par neo7732, 29 août 2011 - 07:18 .

[AnAccountWithNoName]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

neo7732 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

neo7732 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

neo7732 wrote...

it's nice to see this thread is still avoiding the pink elephants in the room.

And those are....?

trying to validate practice of religion in a game / ealier on it was about  homosexuality  in a video game....if you hadnt picked up on the thread name yet for example.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The topic is praying in ME3, or something akin to praying, but you feel it should be on why there is religion in ME3? if you'll look back to the first few pages a codex entry was quoted that showed the religions of various species such as the turians. It's not just humans.

And to answer specifically the question of validating practice of religion in the game, well I guess if you don't want to role-play, you don't have to. Some do, however.

No, I wasnt clear.  I can understand in game culture pertainging to certain species.  What isnt cool is adding prayer implimenting the actual practice of religion in a video game. 

I'm about to head out, but...

Why not?

What does making a bunch of pixels hump another bunch of pixels do for the player? Hopefully, nothing:P. More seriously, however, there is not reason for it. Mass Effect is action.

...action RPG, that is. That means you're playing a role, and that role might include falling in love with someone, or just a quick hop in the sack, etc. Why, then, cannot those who feel the role their Shepard occupies has religious leanings be denied the chance to display that? How is it any different?

The only difference is that religion makes everybody uncomfortable and defensive. But is that a reason that it should not be broached? It really isn't fair to say something controversial like s/s can be added (in the last game of a trilogy, with a moderate-to-high chance of making character's of one particular leaning into character's of dual leanings, for a relatively small minority) and implementation of religion [already broached in the game by the main character, and mentioned many multiple times by other characters (Ashley, Mordin, Thane) in both games] shouldn't be there.

Cheers, hope this topic is still trundling along on the right tracks when I return.

Those are some good points for the "prayer" opition for ME3.

[Dark_Caduceus]

jreezy wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.

Should religion even be offensive to Atheist?

Only if they're... well kind of dumb. I'm an Agnostic Athiest and I think it would add some much needed character depth to Shepard if the game examines his religious views, or lack thereof.
 

[Davie McG]

I think implementing it would make sense. If the reapers were to come to earth today people would be saying it's the end of days and god's made his judgement. They'd be preaching all various dooms day stuff.

If one man was tasked with uniting the galaxy against these God machines who have never been defeated, why not pray? It doesn't seem like an odd thing to be doing given the circumstances.

So long as its short, ambiguous and optional, done at an appropriate moment in the game. Then, as the above poster said, why not?

[SirGladiator]

I'm all for praying in ME3. Prayer is good, I pray myself, if prayer was an option in ME3 I would take it, it sounds like a cool idea to me. Certainly with the odds that Shepard is up against, prayer does seem like an especially good idea .

[Chairchucker]

Ausstig wrote...



Ok two things 

1. You forgot to ad Catholics to that list, we killed each other a lot

2. Catholics are the first christians 

I think you'll find the first Christians were actually Jews, hope that helps.

Here's a nice non-denominational prayer that would totally fit the bill.

"Yo big fella, little help here? Also sorry about all those renegade choices I made. You know the ones. That's my bad, I really gotta resist the urge to commit violence against investigative journalists."

EDIT: Alternate option: get census data from each country, pick top five options. Slightly different version in each country. Then if you want a Rastafarian option, import it from Jamaica.

Modifié par Chairchucker, 29 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[Davie McG]

Don't all Christian groups say the our father? Don't think I'd like anything as specific as that though.

[Chairchucker]

Davie McG wrote...

Don't all Christian groups say the our father? Don't think I'd like anything as specific as that though.

No. Although Jesus does give a guide on 'how to pray' which starts with 'Our Father', (commonly known as The Lord's Prayer') it is interpreted by many as simply being an example of the tone and content that makes an appropriate prayer. Elsewhere in the Bible people are shown to pray very different prayers (the entire book of Psalms for example) or encouraged to pray for other things than are specifically covered in The Lord's Prayer.

Catholicism could be one of the specific groups I guess, although I've always found it peculiar that the different denominations are grouped as separate religions on census forms and the like.

[J. Finley]

Those of you s/s supporters that are demanding it to be in the game but want to deny others an option like this are a little hypocritical. The straight players can choose not to take part in the gay/bisexual content, so the Atheists can choose not to take part in the religious content, exactly like you did in the first game.

As long as neither of these things are shoved in our faces, more options is a good thing.

[Ricardo HWO]

I don't think there should be praying. Most modern religions, mainly Christianity, are boring.
Now, if Shepard could pray to the Norse gods of old, that I'd like to see.
Jesus ain't got nuthin' on Thor

[The Dubious]

Personally, religion is to sensitive of a subject to be added- adding it as an option would be fine, but keep in mind other people of the various different religions, maybe they'd like to use the "pray option" but it isn't "their" religion- maybe they want to pray to Ganesha instead of the "One". it would probably work better if say- the universal religion for humans was a combination of various religions.

like "The First Amalgamated Church" from Futurama, and there doesn't seem to be a definite deity. this could help eliminate favoritism and promotion towards any one religion- just my personal opinion- it's hard to get offended by a make-believe religion (though i image a very small handful will manage to find something to whine about).

"prayer" should definitely be an option- but if Bioware had any desire to add this feature they should come up with something fair for relatively anyone who is in-fact faithful.

my-two-cents, in the slot.

[Chairchucker]

The Dubious wrote...

Personally, religion is to sensitive of a subject to be added- adding it as an option would be fine, but keep in mind other people of the various different religions, maybe they'd like to use the "pray option" but it isn't "their" religion- maybe they want to pray to Ganesha instead of the "One". it would probably work better if say- the universal religion for humans was a combination of various religions.

like "The First Amalgamated Church" from Futurama, and there doesn't seem to be a definite deity. this could help eliminate favoritism and promotion towards any one religion- just my personal opinion- it's hard to get offended by a make-believe religion (though i image a very small handful will manage to find something to whine about).

"prayer" should definitely be an option- but if Bioware had any desire to add this feature they should come up with something fair for relatively anyone who is in-fact faithful.

my-two-cents, in the slot.

If we first posit that people will be offended that options for expressing a belief in a certain religion are available and their own personal religion is not, would it be too much of a stretch to suggest that some may be offended by the suggestion that their religion is similar enough to another to become 'amalgamated'? The majority of major world religions are completely mutually exclusive from each other, combining them would not be a good idea in my opinion.