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[J-Sheridan]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I personally find it incredibly arrogant to believe that humans, who constantly fight among themselves and after thousands of years on this earth can't even tame it, think that they are the highest being there is, but that's difference in opinion for you.

And saying religion is indoctrination is very silly.

I'm sure if you asked Kenson or the Heretics they would say indoctrination is silly.
Religion changes morals, thinking and actions based on what a higher being wants
Indoctrination changes morales, thinking and actions based on what a higher being wants

Your useless prattle about humans being able to control Earth is equally silly. I never said humans were the highest being but thanks for playing.
Ironically, its your own stupid argument that would claim humans are somehow better than everyone else because that higher being is going to listen to Shepard rather than all the other organic races that would pray.

But... I guess Shepard is Jesus in space, huh ? 

[Myaku1313]

And this is why you don't discuss politics and religion. Ever.

Sans during voting season for politics and even then tread carefully. 

Modifié par Myaku1313, 30 août 2011 - 01:39 .

[Quole]

I would like to know how many people that play ME are even religious.

Modifié par Quole, 30 août 2011 - 01:41 .

[Sundance31us]

Quole wrote...
I would like to know how many people that play ME are even religious.

Create a poll and find out.

[sympathy4saren]

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

[J-Sheridan]

Sundance31us wrote...

Quole wrote...
I would like to know how many people that play ME are even religious.

Create a poll and find out.

Your going to create a poll of EVERY religion ?
Highest one gets put in ME 3 - That should be fun

I vote THE FORCE cause .... in a galaxy far far away....

[Bluko]

I pray to Harbinger to bring about salvation for these kind of threads.

(That was a joke.)


Seriously it's pretty much impossible for Bioware to have Shepard have some sort of spiritual reflection that everyone can find acceptable. There's only so many options they can implement and I doubt they could add enough to satisfy everyone.

It's the same reason we don't have other reflections scenes, because there may or may not be an option players find appropriate. Shepard could literally be of any sort of alignment or attitude. Why force a select few beliefs (however broad) when it's best left to the imagination of the player? Just pretend Shepard prays during the loading screens or something. This is just like if you think Shepard should be emotional disturbed wreck, imagine they cry every night on the Normandy before falling asleep.

Point is use some of your damn imagination to fill in the gaps cause it's unrealistic to expect Bioware to give you the means to fully express Shepard as you would like. Especially if it's not gameplay related.

[J-Sheridan]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

Cause female Shepard getting it on with Ashley sells so much more than female Shepard talking to an invisible being that yeilds nothing.
Sex sells and religion gives you grief no matter what one you endorse.

[Myaku1313]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

*puts a boulder on the lid of this can* 

Those are worms you don't want to set free. Annnd wouldn't that be a new thread all together.  Please don't.

[Sundance31us]

sympathy4saren wrote...
Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

Offhand I don't recall any wars fought over sexual orientation.

[111987]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Guess how many religions would have to be available as choices to make it fair for everyone? A lot more than three

For something like sexual orientation and religion, you have to provide equal opportunity for all, or just not have it in the game. Those are the only two fair ways of dealing with it. You cannot provide equal opportunity for religion, while you can with sexuality.

[FlyingWalrus]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

Double standards. They're a b!tch.

I've got enough black and white out of the diatribes of all these militant atheists to make the world's largest chessboard.

Maybe those who decry religion for being 'hateful' and 'violent' should pause for a moment before they come out and say things like 'I hate religion' and spout vitriol and mockery. You are more than welcome to your opinions, but you by no means deserve respect for them if you express them with a disrespectful attitude.

Religion is not indoctrination. It is a codified set of beliefs that may or may not include theism. Taoism and Buddhism are two religions that have no belief in any god or other higher power.

Following a religion does not mean that someone has thrown away their free will and become a drone. It is just as likely that the tenets of a religion fall in line with the pre-existing beliefs and causes of an individual, thus leading him or her to join that religion.

There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to rant like that at EternalAmbiguity, Sheridan. None whatsoever. You take your hate and your attitude and smother it before you find yourself become what you loathe, a man so blinded by his beliefs that he leaves his better judgment behind.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 30 août 2011 - 02:07 .

[Sundance31us]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
It's actually going pretty well. On the topic of politics, I have a couple of friends that love talking about politics, not even to argue, just to spout their views. Really quite annoying. I personally view all politicians as sleazy sellouts. Kind of goes with the job.

The catch is that the participants not try to change each other's views, not take an opposing view as offensive and avoid personal attacks.

[Volus Warlord]

111987 wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Na, not really. We just had a big debate over "pansexuality" and other terms like it not too long ago.  Frankly I think they are all bs but that does not stop people from clinging to such.. constructs.

[slimgrin]

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

[Bad King]

111987 wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Guess how many religions would have to be available as choices to make it fair for everyone? A lot more than three

For something like sexual orientation and religion, you have to provide equal opportunity for all, or just not have it in the game. Those are the only two fair ways of dealing with it. You cannot provide equal opportunity for religion, while you can with sexuality.

Yeah, if ME3 is giving in to the Christians and Muslims, I demand that they let my Shepard practice celtic druidism!

Personally though, I think that if they do add in the option for Shepard to be religious, they should make it very ambiguous and use words like "higher power" or something to represent Shepard's belief rather than any specific deity.

[111987]

Volus Warlord wrote...

111987 wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Na, not really. We just had a big debate over "pansexuality" and other terms like it not too long ago.  Frankly I think they are all bs but that does not stop people from clinging to such.. constructs.

Are people really clamoring for that? Wow. Well regardless, I think the three options I listed satisfy the needs of the vast majority of people playing Mass Effect. Giving the option of three religions would not.

[FlyingWalrus]

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Militant, definition 1.

As for atheists that don't kill for their beliefs? See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China

Get educated before you hit the submit button.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 30 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[Quole]

Personally, I think we should be able to kill kids in ME3.

[Quole]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Militant, definition 1.

As for atheists that don't kill for their beliefs? See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China

Get educated before you hit the submit button.

lol. I think the ratio is a little one-sided.

Modifié par Quole, 30 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[KotorEffect3]

These threads never go well.

[Destroy Raiden_]

" Personally, I think we should be able to kill kids in ME3."

You're in the wrong game go play bioshock.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 30 août 2011 - 02:14 .

[slimgrin]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Militant

As for atheists that don't kill for their beliefs? See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China

Get educated before you hit the submit button.

Those are political reasons, has nothing to do with someones belief in an afterlife or a god or prophecy. This argument keeps sprouting up like a weed despite being disproven time and again..