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[Sundance31us]

Biotic Sage wrote...

111987 wrote...
A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Don't forget about asexual!

Don’t forget necrophilia, pedophilia and bestiality.

[Quole]

Sundance31us wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

111987 wrote...
A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Don't forget about asexual!

Don’t forget necrophilia, pedophilia and bestiality.

I do love me some necrophilia. Not joking btw.

[Ausstig]

111987 wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Wrong!! There are also Asexuals, who have no sex drives and Pansexuals, who do what ever it is they do. Not to mention Animalphiles, xenophiles, and mechaphiliacts, they do  to cars. 

The more you know.

   

[FlyingWalrus]

slimgrin wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Saddam Hussien, the Chinese government, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. A lack of belief in a deity has never stopped man from being man. Even from an atheistic view, there being no god, religion is inherently the work of man and mankind itself is responsible for it. Ergo, religion is is poor scapegoat as it is the human condition that results in suffering, not an invisible man in the sky. It's like saying capitalism is the cause of wars. Capitalism is just an institution that reflects man's nature.

Religion is one of the most effective mediums for dogma, submision to authority, and belief without proof. Call it the human condition if you want. 

I'm seeing plenty of proof of this right now.

[Made Nightwing]

slimgrin wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Saddam Hussien, the Chinese government, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. A lack of belief in a deity has never stopped man from being man. Even from an atheistic view, there being no god, religion is inherently the work of man and mankind itself is responsible for it. Ergo, religion is is poor scapegoat as it is the human condition that results in suffering, not an invisible man in the sky. It's like saying capitalism is the cause of wars. Capitalism is just an institution that reflects man's nature.

Religion is one of the most effective mediums for dogma, submision to authority, and belief without proof. Call it the human condition if you want. 

Most religions also encourage justice, the right of every individual to life and liberty, the pursuit of personal peace and enlightenment. The Inquisition also set the standard for modern day legal trials, by requiring the burden of proof to be on the prosecution, not on the defendant. (Also a good thing for poor old ladies accused of witchcraft. Instead of being 'Tried by Water', they could declare a minor heresy, be tried by the Inquisition, fined and then released.)

Religion has inspired beautiful works of art. It has inspired works of amazing (and insane) acts of courage and defiance in the face of oppression, and sets a moral and ethical standard for people to live by. Religion isn't a bad thing at all.

[Sundance31us]

Quole wrote...
I do love me some necrophilia. Not joking btw.

[Quole]

Sundance31us wrote...

Quole wrote...
I do love me some necrophilia. Not joking btw.

[111987]

Ausstig wrote...

111987 wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Wrong!! There are also Asexuals, who have no sex drives and Pansexuals, who do what ever it is they do. Not to mention Animalphiles, xenophiles, and mechaphiliacts, they do  to cars. 

The more you know.

   

Haha Don't worry, I am aware that there are more sexual orientations than hetero, bi, and ******. My point was, no-one is going to complain if bestiality isn't in the game.

For religion, a person could easily complain if there religion isn't included. You would HAVE to include these major religions; Judiasm, Christianity, Islam, Hindiusm, and Buddism. Those are the largest religions in the world. However, in Christianity for example, the different sects believe very different things, and many people would be offended if a distinction wasn't made. Thus even more options would have to be included, and it just gets clunky, unwieldy, and impractical.

[Blacklash93]

Sundance31us wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

111987 wrote...
A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Don't forget about asexual!

Don’t forget necrophilia, pedophilia and bestiality.

Now you're just being silly.

Comparing a sick fetish to a sexual orientation (between consenting adults) is a plain fallacy.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 août 2011 - 02:55 .

[Made Nightwing]

Quole is into zoophilia, sadism and necrophilia. I personally think he's flogging a dead horse.

[sedrikhcain]

Made Nightwing wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Saddam Hussien, the Chinese government, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. A lack of belief in a deity has never stopped man from being man. Even from an atheistic view, there being no god, religion is inherently the work of man and mankind itself is responsible for it. Ergo, religion is is poor scapegoat as it is the human condition that results in suffering, not an invisible man in the sky. It's like saying capitalism is the cause of wars. Capitalism is just an institution that reflects man's nature.

Religion is one of the most effective mediums for dogma, submision to authority, and belief without proof. Call it the human condition if you want. 

Most religions also encourage justice, the right of every individual to life and liberty, the pursuit of personal peace and enlightenment. The Inquisition also set the standard for modern day legal trials, by requiring the burden of proof to be on the prosecution, not on the defendant. (Also a good thing for poor old ladies accused of witchcraft. Instead of being 'Tried by Water', they could declare a minor heresy, be tried by the Inquisition, fined and then released.)

Religion has inspired beautiful works of art. It has inspired works of amazing (and insane) acts of courage and defiance in the face of oppression, and sets a moral and ethical standard for people to live by. Religion isn't a bad thing at all.

Religion is practiced by humans, therefore it is only as good or bad as the people practicing it. The inquisition may have had the effect of forming the foundation for modern trials, but it also had the effect of burning people at the stake for not following the church's teachings.

[Sundance31us]

Quole wrote...

I had a feeling you just wanted me to post another picture.

[Quole]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Quole is into zoophilia, sadism and necrophilia. I personally think he's flogging a dead horse.

Xenophilia, actually.

[Davie McG]

J-Sheridan wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I think we should be able to kill kids in every game. Even kid`s games.

Ofcourse. Ever played Fallout 1 or 2?

You can kill kids in FO 1 and 2 ... why wasnt this feature included in FO3 damnit, those little lamplight dudes so needed some killin like sticky.

Regardless,
Porn sells and thus ME sells softcore porn that caters to wider demographic
Religion dosent sell and thus ME dosent do Religion

Theres your 'practical' reason why.

Mass Effect very much does religion, that's why this thread exists at all.

[SirLysander]

Quole wrote...

SirLysander wrote...

Re: Atheist militancy

Don't forget the Refuseniks and some of the early, official, party positions in the USSR.

Again..... the ratio is still very one-sided.

Unless I was reading a different thread, the assertion was that it did not exist, not that it did exist, but was "vastly" outnumbered. 

(And, using the new goalpost of ratio, add another one: the Reign of Terror of the French Revolution.)

However, determining the ratio is immaterial; there are (some) ways of adding religion to a game as an option that does not force the player, independent of the character, to make a value judgment as to the efficacy of the religion.  Rome: Total War - Barbarian Invasion, Medieval 2: Total War, and Civilization IV each had "religious" components to them that, apart from some minor game mechanics, had little influence in the outcomes of each game (addmittedly, CivIV could be won by total religious conversion, but that wasn't the only - or the easiest - method of winning the game.)

The other point is respect; there are religous forumites, non-religious forumites, and those who chose not to disclose their particular persuasion in this regard.  BSN is not a place for the advocacy of a particular theology (i.e. evangelizing); and such would include advocacy for a position rejecting theism, such as athiesm (as defined here).

[Bluko]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Just putting it out there for discussion:

Why is it ok to express all sides of sexual orientation but not all sides of religious or non-religious belief?

Because there's basically only 3 sexual orientations one can be. You'er either Straight, Bi, or Gay. Sure your preferences may have a lot more variation then that, but ultimately there's only 3 ways to go about things. Only the opposites, only the same, or some of both. Well there's also none at all if you so choose. So at most you have 4 options, which is pretty easy to implement given that the romances really have no effect on the actual story progression itself.

[Made Nightwing]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Saddam Hussien, the Chinese government, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. A lack of belief in a deity has never stopped man from being man. Even from an atheistic view, there being no god, religion is inherently the work of man and mankind itself is responsible for it. Ergo, religion is is poor scapegoat as it is the human condition that results in suffering, not an invisible man in the sky. It's like saying capitalism is the cause of wars. Capitalism is just an institution that reflects man's nature.

Religion is one of the most effective mediums for dogma, submision to authority, and belief without proof. Call it the human condition if you want. 

Most religions also encourage justice, the right of every individual to life and liberty, the pursuit of personal peace and enlightenment. The Inquisition also set the standard for modern day legal trials, by requiring the burden of proof to be on the prosecution, not on the defendant. (Also a good thing for poor old ladies accused of witchcraft. Instead of being 'Tried by Water', they could declare a minor heresy, be tried by the Inquisition, fined and then released.)

Religion has inspired beautiful works of art. It has inspired works of amazing (and insane) acts of courage and defiance in the face of oppression, and sets a moral and ethical standard for people to live by. Religion isn't a bad thing at all.

Religion is practiced by humans, therefore it is only as good or bad as the people practicing it. The inquisition may have had the effect of forming the foundation for modern trials, but it also had the effect of burning people at the stake for not following the church's teachings.

That's the Spanish Inquisition you're thinking of. That was set up by the monarchs of Spain as part of a money and land grabbing exercise. The Medieval Inquisition was much different:

"The inquisitors generally preferred not to hand over heretics to the secular arm for execution if they could persuade the heretic to repent: Ecclesia non novit sanguinem. For example, Bernard Gui, a famous inquisitor working in the area of Carcassonne (in modern France), executed 42 people out of over 900 guilty verdicts in fifteen years of office. Execution was to admit defeat, that the Church was unable to save a soul from heresy, which was the goal of the inquisition."

[mjb203]

Made Nightwing wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Saddam Hussien, the Chinese government, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. A lack of belief in a deity has never stopped man from being man. Even from an atheistic view, there being no god, religion is inherently the work of man and mankind itself is responsible for it. Ergo, religion is is poor scapegoat as it is the human condition that results in suffering, not an invisible man in the sky. It's like saying capitalism is the cause of wars. Capitalism is just an institution that reflects man's nature.

Religion is one of the most effective mediums for dogma, submision to authority, and belief without proof. Call it the human condition if you want. 

Most religions also encourage justice, the right of every individual to life and liberty, the pursuit of personal peace and enlightenment. The Inquisition also set the standard for modern day legal trials, by requiring the burden of proof to be on the prosecution, not on the defendant. (Also a good thing for poor old ladies accused of witchcraft. Instead of being 'Tried by Water', they could declare a minor heresy, be tried by the Inquisition, fined and then released.)

Religion has inspired beautiful works of art. It has inspired works of amazing (and insane) acts of courage and defiance in the face of oppression, and sets a moral and ethical standard for people to live by. Religion isn't a bad thing at all.

This pretty much.  Also, whether or not this thread was started as a serious topic or not, prayer could easily be included by making it a silent prayer, which would be satisfactory for religiousSheps of any religion.

[Cephalopods]

Quite frankly, Ashley Williams and anyone else in ME who believes in a sentient, non-corporeal omnipotent energy is not of sound mind. Hundreds of worlds with extraterrestrial life, and the machine Reapers who have harvested them for millions of years, utterly and completely destroy theism's credibility. It contradicts every single book ever handed down in the desert. The only remotely plausible religious ideal left is that God or a group of Gods created the universe several billion years ago, and everything from that point had no interference whatsoever from them. Religion in the universe of Mass Effect is, quite frankly, defunct and a sign of denial-based insanity.

Modifié par Cephalopods, 30 août 2011 - 03:06 .

[111987]

mjb203 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Last I checked, Athiests don't kill for their beliefs. So you can scratch the 'militant' term, flyingwalrus.

Saddam Hussien, the Chinese government, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. A lack of belief in a deity has never stopped man from being man. Even from an atheistic view, there being no god, religion is inherently the work of man and mankind itself is responsible for it. Ergo, religion is is poor scapegoat as it is the human condition that results in suffering, not an invisible man in the sky. It's like saying capitalism is the cause of wars. Capitalism is just an institution that reflects man's nature.

Religion is one of the most effective mediums for dogma, submision to authority, and belief without proof. Call it the human condition if you want. 

Most religions also encourage justice, the right of every individual to life and liberty, the pursuit of personal peace and enlightenment. The Inquisition also set the standard for modern day legal trials, by requiring the burden of proof to be on the prosecution, not on the defendant. (Also a good thing for poor old ladies accused of witchcraft. Instead of being 'Tried by Water', they could declare a minor heresy, be tried by the Inquisition, fined and then released.)

Religion has inspired beautiful works of art. It has inspired works of amazing (and insane) acts of courage and defiance in the face of oppression, and sets a moral and ethical standard for people to live by. Religion isn't a bad thing at all.

This pretty much.  Also, whether or not this thread was started as a serious topic or not, prayer could easily be included by making it a silent prayer, which would be satisfactory for religiousSheps of any religion.

Buddhists do not pray. it's easier and a lot less controversial to just not include religion. And really, does it really add much to the games? A relationship does, but a prayer?

[SirLysander]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

111987 wrote...
A person is either heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That's three options.

Don't forget about asexual!

Don’t forget necrophilia, pedophilia and bestiality.

Now you're just being silly.

Comparing a sick fetish to a sexual orientation (between consenting adults) is a plain fallacy.

Accepting everything above both as written, and with a touch of levity.. Backlash, you realize your argument could cover ground you (most likely) did not intend to cover?

[Made Nightwing]

Cephalopods wrote...

Quite frankly, Ashley Williams and anyone else in ME who believes in a sentient, non-corporeal omnipotent energy is not of sound mind. Hundreds of worlds with extraterrestrial life, and the machine Reapers who have harvested them for millions of years, utterly and completely destroy theism's credibility. Religion in the universe of Mass Effect is, quite frankly, defunct and a sign of denial-based insanity.

Sentient, non-corporeal omnipotent being remember? Even the Reapers had to start off somewhere and as something.

[Cephalopods]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

Quite frankly, Ashley Williams and anyone else in ME who believes in a sentient, non-corporeal omnipotent energy is not of sound mind. Hundreds of worlds with extraterrestrial life, and the machine Reapers who have harvested them for millions of years, utterly and completely destroy theism's credibility. Religion in the universe of Mass Effect is, quite frankly, defunct and a sign of denial-based insanity.

Sentient, non-corporeal omnipotent being remember? Even the Reapers had to start off somewhere and as something.

I edited my post for accuracy.

[Sundance31us]

mjb203 wrote...
This pretty much.  Also, whether or not this thread was started as a serious topic or not, prayer could easily be included by making it a silent prayer, which would be satisfactory for religiousSheps of any religion.

My Shep already has moments of reflection:
- Watching the explosion on Virmire
- Watching Liara sleep on the way to Ilos
- Alone in the Captain's Quarters on the way to the Suicide Mission
- Watching the map at the end of Arrival

[Quole]

Sundance31us wrote...

Quole wrote...

I had a feeling you just wanted me to post another picture.

Well I was being serious....