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Instead, a quick Googling would reveal that the Catholic Church is the single largest charity in the world.

Digging water wells and teaching children in Africa how to read. Those damn, dirty Christians.


Mere propaganda. I disregard this as irrational.

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Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

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Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.

A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.

Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.


Then your point didn't address my point. My point was about theism. Not religion. But okay, let's drop the subject.

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111987 wrote...

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Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."


There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.


Perhaps not, but do you have evidence that deity cares about you or will intervene on your behalf ?

Thats what the whole praying thing is FOR... your literally begging for help from an invisible being to solve your problems.

Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.

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Goneaviking wrote...

Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...



Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.

A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.

Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.


How so?

....lol? Do I have to give you an elementary scool science lecture? Are you an idiot?
...or trolling. I see what you did there!..... no wait. Im going to go with idiot.

Modifié par Quole, 30 août 2011 - 04:33 .


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So SHEPARD....

Back on track, folks...

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I say if they do have a prayer it should be, " Yay, as I walk through the valley of the shadow death I shall fear no evil, because im the baddest mother %^&%$% in the god damn valley " lol. I can be a be an atheist but I do have to point out that some biblical verses are pretty poetic. ;)

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111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...



Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.

A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.

Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.


Then your point didn't address my point. My point was about theism. Not religion. But okay, let's drop the subject.

That may be why I deleted my post. Again... why did you quote it after i deleted it?

Modifié par Quole, 30 août 2011 - 04:23 .


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Volus Warlord wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

It's a sad fact that people here cannot discuss religion reasonably and calmly.


Neither side is really capable? 


There are a few on all sides that can continue a reasonable and relevant discussion about religion in Mass Effect. As is evidenced by this thread earlier on. However both sides always seem to fall into the trap of trying to convince the other that their truth is superior. It then becomes a contest of who will hold their view the most stubbornly.

Again there are those on here who can have an adult conversation. It's just often ruined by those who cannot.

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I think I silent reflection that could be seen as some form of silent nonspecific prayer would be the best route.

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Spanky Magoo wrote...

I say if they do have a prayer it should be, " Yay, as I walk through the valley of the shadow death I shall fear no evil, because im the baddest mother %^&%$% in the god damn valley " lol. I can be a be an atheist but I do have to point out that some biblical verses are pretty poetic. ;)


Hell, Coolio used that one.

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Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...



Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.

A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.

Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.


Then your point didn't address my point. My point was about theism. Not religion. But okay, let's drop the subject.

That may be why I deleted my post. Again... why did you quote it after i deleted it?


It was a mistake. I didn't notice you deleted it. Besides, I was responding to another post as well. Anyways, this is irrelevant.

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I say if they do have a prayer it should be, " Yay, as I walk through the valley of the shadow death I shall fear no evil, because im the baddest mother %^&%$% in the god damn valley " lol. I can be a be an atheist but I do have to point out that some biblical verses are pretty poetic. ;)


A. Atheist

B. Reasonable

C. Respectful

And on that good note, I'll leave you guys to it so I can finish some work on lining up my ME3 playthroughs. Cheers.

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There will not be praying in ME3. It does not suit any Shepard's personality. He/she knows his/her civilization is without ultra-worldly aid, just as the Protheans were, and all the civilizations who came before. This thread should be locked immediately.

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So SHEPARD....

Back on track, folks...


I'd find it interesting if they explored this aspect of Shepard, be he a believer or a skeptic. Especially with the likes of Thane and Mordin and Ash being about.

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Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.

It doesn't necessarily have to take the form of asking whatever higher power for "help". Praying is also used for inner reflection. One could easily argue that is what the love interest/bff is for. But considering where ME3 is taking us and not everyone is available and there is indoctrination involved and this is SHEPARD's story, it might benefit from a moment of inner characterization. And this way it doesn't even have to take the form of "praying to a higher being" but just an inner moment of conflict, etc etc. Get it? 

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111987 wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."


There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.


But there is considerable evidence disproving the version of said deity presented in our scripture. If there is a God, then we fail to comprehend that being/presence because we are limited by human terms and human perspective.

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MACharlie1 wrote...

J-Sheridan wrote...
Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.

It doesn't necessarily have to take the form of asking whatever higher power for "help". Praying is also used for inner reflection. One could easily argue that is what the love interest/bff is for. But considering where ME3 is taking us and not everyone is available and there is indoctrination involved and this is SHEPARD's story, it might benefit from a moment of inner characterization. And this way it doesn't even have to take the form of "praying to a higher being" but just an inner moment of conflict, etc etc. Get it? 


While a potent concept, this will not happen.

The world revolves around Shepard. Shepard is right, the world is wrong. Shepard made no mistakes and it is the world's fault if some of Shepard's actions ended with poor results.

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J-Sheridan wrote...

111987 wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."


There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.


Perhaps not, but do you have evidence that deity cares about you or will intervene on your behalf ?

Thats what the whole praying thing is FOR... your literally begging for help from an invisible being to solve your problems.

Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.


Prayer is a method of paying homage to whatever deity or deities one believes in, it is often accompanied by a request for intervention but it is not dependent upon it.

The biggest problem that I have with discussing religion is the ever growing evidence that the people I'm conversing with don't understand that the factual reality is irrelevant. There may or may not be more to existence than we can detect, but until we can actually prove the argument one way or the other it's a pointless exercise trying to convince the other party. Until that time it's best just to accept that not everyone perceives reality as we do, and that the rituals that come along with these alternative beliefs add structure and stability to the lives of their practitioners.

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I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.

Then dont pick the pray option.

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Goneaviking wrote...

J-Sheridan wrote...

111987 wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."


There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.


Perhaps not, but do you have evidence that deity cares about you or will intervene on your behalf ?

Thats what the whole praying thing is FOR... your literally begging for help from an invisible being to solve your problems.

Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.


Prayer is a method of paying homage to whatever deity or deities one believes in, it is often accompanied by a request for intervention but it is not dependent upon it.

The biggest problem that I have with discussing religion is the ever growing evidence that the people I'm conversing with don't understand that the factual reality is irrelevant. There may or may not be more to existence than we can detect, but until we can actually prove the argument one way or the other it's a pointless exercise trying to convince the other party. Until that time it's best just to accept that not everyone perceives reality as we do, and that the rituals that come along with these alternative beliefs add structure and stability to the lives of their practitioners.

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It wouldn't be out of character if you chose to say you believed in god in ME1. However I think a discussion or short conversation would be better. It would also be easier to keep vague as it was with the first game.

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Quole wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...



Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.

A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.

Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.


How so?

....lol? Do I have to give you an elementary scool science lecture? Are you an idiot?
...or trolling. I see what you did there!


You made a very vague and expansive statement that can be interpreted in multiple ways.

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TexasToast712 wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.

Then dont pick the pray option.


What better way to not pick it then to have it not be there at all!?!?

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Davie McG wrote...

It wouldn't be out of character if you chose to say you believed in god in ME1. However I think a discussion or short conversation would be better. It would also be easier to keep vague as it was with the first game.


If it is too vague, then it has no meaning. It becomes pointless filler.

Best approach imo is that  Bioware's gotta walk the line with this one.

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Goneaviking wrote...

Quole wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Quole wrote...

111987 wrote...

Quole wrote...



Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.

A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.

Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.


How so?

....lol? Do I have to give you an elementary scool science lecture? Are you an idiot?
...or trolling. I see what you did there!


You made a very vague and expansive statement that can be interpreted in multiple ways.


Ignore him. Arguing with him's not gonna help your cause.