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FlyingWalrus wrote...
Instead, a quick Googling would reveal that the Catholic Church is the single largest charity in the world.
Digging water wells and teaching children in Africa how to read. Those damn, dirty Christians.
Quole wrote...
Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.
A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.
111987 wrote...
Cephalopods wrote...
Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."
There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.
....lol? Do I have to give you an elementary scool science lecture? Are you an idiot?Goneaviking wrote...
Quole wrote...
Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.
A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.
How so?
Modifié par Quole, 30 août 2011 - 04:33 .
That may be why I deleted my post. Again... why did you quote it after i deleted it?111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.
A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.
Then your point didn't address my point. My point was about theism. Not religion. But okay, let's drop the subject.
Modifié par Quole, 30 août 2011 - 04:23 .
Volus Warlord wrote...
Davie McG wrote...
It's a sad fact that people here cannot discuss religion reasonably and calmly.
Neither side is really capable?
Spanky Magoo wrote...
I say if they do have a prayer it should be, " Yay, as I walk through the valley of the shadow death I shall fear no evil, because im the baddest mother %^&%$% in the god damn valley " lol. I can be a be an atheist but I do have to point out that some biblical verses are pretty poetic.
Quole wrote...
That may be why I deleted my post. Again... why did you quote it after i deleted it?111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.
A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.
Then your point didn't address my point. My point was about theism. Not religion. But okay, let's drop the subject.
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Spanky Magoo wrote...
I say if they do have a prayer it should be, " Yay, as I walk through the valley of the shadow death I shall fear no evil, because im the baddest mother %^&%$% in the god damn valley " lol. I can be a be an atheist but I do have to point out that some biblical verses are pretty poetic.
MACharlie1 wrote...
So SHEPARD....
Back on track, folks...
It doesn't necessarily have to take the form of asking whatever higher power for "help". Praying is also used for inner reflection. One could easily argue that is what the love interest/bff is for. But considering where ME3 is taking us and not everyone is available and there is indoctrination involved and this is SHEPARD's story, it might benefit from a moment of inner characterization. And this way it doesn't even have to take the form of "praying to a higher being" but just an inner moment of conflict, etc etc. Get it?J-Sheridan wrote...
Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.
111987 wrote...
Cephalopods wrote...
Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."
There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.
MACharlie1 wrote...
It doesn't necessarily have to take the form of asking whatever higher power for "help". Praying is also used for inner reflection. One could easily argue that is what the love interest/bff is for. But considering where ME3 is taking us and not everyone is available and there is indoctrination involved and this is SHEPARD's story, it might benefit from a moment of inner characterization. And this way it doesn't even have to take the form of "praying to a higher being" but just an inner moment of conflict, etc etc. Get it?J-Sheridan wrote...
Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.
J-Sheridan wrote...
111987 wrote...
Cephalopods wrote...
Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."
There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.
Perhaps not, but do you have evidence that deity cares about you or will intervene on your behalf ?
Thats what the whole praying thing is FOR... your literally begging for help from an invisible being to solve your problems.
Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.
Then dont pick the pray option.Cheesy Blue wrote...
I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.
ahahhahahahhahaGoneaviking wrote...
J-Sheridan wrote...
111987 wrote...
Cephalopods wrote...
Every person is responsible for themselves and their own actions. In the same way I am approached by Mormons at my door attempting to convince me I should give my life to Jesus and 10% of my income to their church, I approach you all here to ask you stop ignoring history and the mountains of fossil and geological evidence that scream "there is likely no God, and if there is, he has not visited in billions of years."
There is not a single shred of evidence disproving the existence of a deity.
Perhaps not, but do you have evidence that deity cares about you or will intervene on your behalf ?
Thats what the whole praying thing is FOR... your literally begging for help from an invisible being to solve your problems.
Somehow I dont think ANY Shepard is the kind of person that would ask someone ELSE to solve his problems rather than solve them personnally. His speech to Harbringer in Arrival said WE will find a way to beat them not ask for someone else to beat them for us.
Prayer is a method of paying homage to whatever deity or deities one believes in, it is often accompanied by a request for intervention but it is not dependent upon it.
The biggest problem that I have with discussing religion is the ever growing evidence that the people I'm conversing with don't understand that the factual reality is irrelevant. There may or may not be more to existence than we can detect, but until we can actually prove the argument one way or the other it's a pointless exercise trying to convince the other party. Until that time it's best just to accept that not everyone perceives reality as we do, and that the rituals that come along with these alternative beliefs add structure and stability to the lives of their practitioners.
Quole wrote...
....lol? Do I have to give you an elementary scool science lecture? Are you an idiot?Goneaviking wrote...
Quole wrote...
Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.
A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.
How so?
...or trolling. I see what you did there!
TexasToast712 wrote...
Then dont pick the pray option.Cheesy Blue wrote...
I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.
Davie McG wrote...
It wouldn't be out of character if you chose to say you believed in god in ME1. However I think a discussion or short conversation would be better. It would also be easier to keep vague as it was with the first game.
Goneaviking wrote...
Quole wrote...
....lol? Do I have to give you an elementary scool science lecture? Are you an idiot?Goneaviking wrote...
Quole wrote...
Why did you quote me after I deleted my post? And the point I was making is that Religion, more often than not does contradict what we know about the universe.111987 wrote...
Quole wrote...
Vampires and fairies don't fit in to what we know about the world.
A deity on the other hand is an explanation for the causation of the Big Bang. It fits in with what science does know about the universe. That doesn't mean there is a deity, nor am i even arguing that there is a deity.
How so?
...or trolling. I see what you did there!
You made a very vague and expansive statement that can be interpreted in multiple ways.
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