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[medcsu]

Yes lets add the cause of over 50 percent of the wars in the history of society to an enjoyable video game. Great idea.....

[Biotic Sage]

jreezy wrote...

Did I ask an inappropriate question or something?

Not inappropriate, just one that I thought was an anger catalyst.  Some atheists are VERY touchy.  I'm ignostic myself (which is slightly different than agnosticism, so no not a spelling error), so these discussions seem rather pointless to me, but definitely not offensive.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ubermensch007 wrote...


@EternalAmbiguity: Actually it doesn't have to be that difficult at all... All BioWare would have to do is have the conversation wheel offer a:

-Judeo-Christian Response

- Muslim Response

Unless there is a reference to the trinity, the Jewish, Christian and Muslim response would be equivalent. "God" would be sufficient.

[medcsu]

Worst part about threads like these is all the "I am so offended" wimps that come out of the woodwork.

[ubermensch007]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Anything and everything even slightly related to religion, including but not limited to the word "religion" itself is offensive to plenty of people.....this is one of those issues that are best left completely untouched.

@Darth_Trethon: Where do i even BEGIN to tell you how ironic what you are saying is.Given your Avatar which totally reminds me of the geth asking their quarian makers "do they have a soul?" And on Feros, Shepard and Co. remarking on how it looked liked the geth were doing something spirtual and religous by thier altar...

I don't find reliogon offensive.I do however find intolerance to be such.And as far as "not touching" this subject.I'm going to have to agree with the fellow that said,"The unexamined life is not woth a damn." It is only natural for sentient beings to wonder about their reason for being, place in the world and other such stuff.

Asking questions is never a bad thing.

[Plogg]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.

[Darth_Trethon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...


@EternalAmbiguity: Actually it doesn't have to be that difficult at all... All BioWare would have to do is have the conversation wheel offer a:

-Judeo-Christian Response

- Muslim Response

Unless there is a reference to the trinity, the Jewish, Christian and Muslim response would be equivalent. "God" would be sufficient.

Or so you like to think bu I doubt you have met true Jewish, Christians or Muslims only the relatively normal people that don't really care about religious conflict and only claim one to fill in the religion box on paperwork and to avoid scrutiny from their respective social circles. Believe me....the word "God" will draw more fire from all these groups than you can immagine.....the topic of aliens and science do not mix well with religion.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 28 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[Darth_Trethon]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Anything and everything even slightly related to religion, including but not limited to the word "religion" itself is offensive to plenty of people.....this is one of those issues that are best left completely untouched.

@Darth_Trethon: Where do i even BEGIN to tell you how ironic what you are saying is.Given your Avatar which totally reminds me of the geth asking their quarian makers "do they have a soul?" And on Feros, Shepard and Co. remarking on how it looked liked the geth were doing something spirtual and religous by thier altar...

I don't find reliogon offensive.I do however find intolerance to be such.And as far as "not touching" this subject.I'm going to have to agree with the fellow that said,"The unexamined life is not woth a damn." It is only natural for sentient beings to wonder about their reason for being, place in the world and other such stuff.

Asking questions is never a bad thing.

Even if that were true, which we don't know enough to know....the geth would only be wrong at best to worship the quarians as they are not gods so it'd rather be an argument against religion. Still people can believe ehat they want as long as they do not bug me for conversion. I'd rather that games left this topic alone.

[VaultingFrog]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Filament wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@EternalAmbiguity: Actually it doesn't have to be that difficult at all... All BioWare would have to do is have the conversation wheel offer a:

-Judeo-Christian Response

- Muslim Response

- Hindu and or Buddist response as well...

So what Shepard says will adress the proper diety and mythos. :innocent:

Wait, I want to pray to Zeus.

Seeing as how Zeus is a sky god, he's probably with the Reapers. You need to pray to Hades or...or...their brother. Can't remember his name off the top of my head.

That would be Posidon, God of the Seas, Lord of Horses, Father of Cyclopses, The Earthshaker, and quite arguably the strongest of the three.

[ThePwener]

VaultingFrog wrote...

That would be Posidon, God of the Seas, Lord of Horses, Father of Cyclopses, The Earthshaker, and quite arguably the strongest of the three.

It's Poseidon genius.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Or so you like to think bu I doubt you have met true Jewish, Christians or Muslims only the relatively normal people that don't really care about religious conflict and only claim one to fill in the religion box on paperwork and avoid scrutiny from their respective social circles. Believe me....the word "God" will draw more fire from all these groups than you can immagine.....the topic of aliens and science do not mix well with religion.

Except I have trust me. Some may disagree on their views of the Divine. They might accuse others of being pagans/ infidels / nonbelivers and what have you. But unless you want to add Yahweh, The Father Son and Holy Spirit, and Allah as seperate responses, "God" should have to suffice.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 août 2011 - 06:48 .

[In Exile]

The real issue, of course, is which religion. Because prayer is every different depending on what you believe.

I want Shepard to be something exciting, like Zoroastrian.

[Plogg]

ubermensch007 wrote...

And somehow - what I wrote in my "Poll" comes to mind:

It has been said that,"There is no atheist in a foxhole..." I've been thinking recently.Wouldn't it be cool -- Wouldn't it be a truly unforgettable moment in Gaming History.If in Mass Effect 3, Commander Shepard has a 'Talking (or Shouting or Crying out) to God moment!?! Self-reliance is a virtue.And we all have our pride.But even Jake Sully
in James Cameron's Avatar: Had a moment where he had done all that he could do and asked Eywa: ( The guiding force and deity of Pandora and the Navi) for whatever help that it could provide.I don't know about
you.But I was really moved by a certain moment of the Reaper Invasion of Earth footage that we got to see.In the ME 3 Demo.

*snip*

Eywa was real, god is not

[VaultingFrog]

ThePwener wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

That would be Posidon, God of the Seas, Lord of Horses, Father of Cyclopses, The Earthshaker, and quite arguably the strongest of the three.

It's Poseidon genius.

Oh no a key didnt go off when I was typing, such an offense....

Your sarcasim was not needed...

[dgcatanisiri]

I am an atheist, but I'm not offended by the question. I'm not even against the option, so long as it IS an option and not something that gets included whether I want it or not. It's something I really liked about the conversation with Ashley in ME1 where Shepard can say s/he believes in God, or just that it's not an issue that she does.

But it's because of the diverse nature of religion that I don't believe such an option is workable, at least not in a manner that will satisfy enough people to make it worth the effort. You want to say that Shepard prayed? It's probably best if you just assume that it happened after the fade to black when you take the option of the point of no return.

[Darth_Trethon]

Plogg wrote...

Eywa was real, god is not

Now this is one religion I can dig.....I would absloutely love every Avatar reference they can put in there. 

[whywhywhywhy]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

We had a thread on "religion" a couple of weeks ago and it ended badly. Just telling you, OP, this will get locked because of the fisticuffs.

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.

I'm a Christian. I find s/s offensive. And, yet, I really don't mind if they do it in the game (as long as they don't retcon sexuality, but that's a dif topic), because I don't HAVE to do it.

So, in the .00000000001% chance they did it, you wouldn't HAVE to.

I agree with this post.

[ThePwener]

VaultingFrog wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

That would be Posidon, God of the Seas, Lord of Horses, Father of Cyclopses, The Earthshaker, and quite arguably the strongest of the three.

It's Poseidon genius.

Oh no a key didnt go off when I was typing, such an offense....

Your sarcasim was not needed...

I try

[markvad738]

Gonna get locked in 5..4..3..2..1....

[VeR0se]

It's a game not reality, you want shepard to pray? Pray for in your god damn living room or on your computer screen, don't liter my video games with religious crap.

[Abispa]

It is possible that they may reveal Ashley's religion in ME3, and I can easily imagine a pre-big-ass-final-battle scene where she may want to pray for their success. It would be nice if Bioware would give Shepard to the options to 1) join her because they're the same religion, 2) join her even though they aren't the same religion, 3) stay with her to add your own support to whatever she's seeking from God even though s/he doesn't pray her/his self, 4) leave her be since you don't find prayer helpful but you'll let her do her thing, or 5) the DB renegade option of just mocking or insulting her.

I do agree with KnightofPhoenix that making Shepard a specific religion isn't necessary. It it not uncommon for soldiers IRL to pray together before battles and purposely keep the spiritual references general enough to apply to multiple religions, even as diverse as Wiccan to Orthodox Judaism.