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[Sajuro]

J-Sheridan wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.

Then dont pick the pray option.

Dont pick the pray option and net renegade points for doing so
Or
miss dialogue because the only other option is "I should go",
Or
you have to pray with Ashley to get in her pants.

Dude, if Shepard prayed just to get into Ashley's pants, he would not be the first Athiest to do so.

[ObserverStatus]

Sajuro wrote...
Dont pick the pray option and net renegade points for doing so
Or
miss dialogue because the only other option is "I should go",
Or
you have to pray with Ashley to get in her pants.

Ashleys a smoking crater in my playthrough, so that would take one hell of a prayer.

[Sajuro]

jreezy wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The only real religion in Mass Effect is Shepardism, to which all the crew must pray
Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the derelict Reaper filled with Husks and Scions, I will fear no evil: for thou art the squad leader; thy Revenant and thy Widow they cover me.

I was thinking about joining that group too..

"And the Lord thy Shepard didst  stand on the outcroppping and spoke
thusly to his disciples 'Lo my disciples, look upon thy base, the
Collectors are an abomination in the sight of mine own eyes. They doth
not threaten, nor do thine Reapers, but they threaten every person in
the galaxy.' and thusly he spoke of heretics 'Let all abominations and
heretics who stand in my sight be perished witht thy Revenant or thy
Widow lest they enact their fell actions uponst the devout and the
pious.' and thusly Tali of Zorah and Mordin of Solus ascended the
platform to stand next to Shepard as he had chosen them to and the rest
of which there were nine,as  Jacob of Taylor had guided the crew back
throughst the Lord thy Shepard's grace, stayed behind the Lord thy
Shepard to hold off the waves of Collectors and so it is that we must
stand against the Heretics who claim Shepard to be of no importance and
to espouse other gods and commanders before the Lord thy Shepard."
-Collectors 23:14

[ubermensch007]

Actually Mordin does say a prayer over the remains of the krogan female during his loyalty misson, and Thane prays to one of his Gods during his recruitment and loyalty misson... But neither of them are the main character.Or a character whose actions and words we as the player decides.

[Juniper Mucius]

 I guess I wouldn't mind this, but if you do, you have to at least give various options.  At the vary least, if you choose a "prayer" option, it should be listed as "Prayer - Monotheistic - God," "Prayer - Monotheistic - Goddess" or "Prayer - Polytheistic".  Ashely mentions she believes in a god, she doesn't say what god it is.  Sure, we can assume she's Christian, but I highly doubt in the year 2185 when humans are coexisting with aliens, that our real-world religions are anything like present day religions.  After all, Ashley was original a romantic choice for a female Shepard.  Some changes have had to happen.  I'd imagine maybe at that point, most theists in the Mass Effect universe have shirked modern day theology for the most part.  That, or they just look at their religious texts as "metaphor".  I used to consider myself Heathen, and even though I believe the Nordic beliefs would be one of the more easily adaptive religions (in regards to aliens existing, as the Norse already believed in numerous worlds and such), it'd still take a lot to adapt to the idea that the gods didn't create us.  

Long story short, don't have characters specify one certain religion to which they belong.  Keep it simple, and just allow for the notion of a god, goddess, or many gods without reference to any scripture or theology.

Modifié par The Free Jaffa, 30 août 2011 - 07:51 .

[Made Nightwing]

slimgrin wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

The fact that people will attempt to defend things like this when churches do them is one of the reasons that some people find the entire concept of organized religion distasteful.

Organized religion gets a free pass. Always has. It escapes the rational scrutiny it deserves. 

The very fact that we are having this conversation proves that it does not get a pass and never will. Sometimes people get things wrong. We're humans, we're not perfect and we never will be. Under 'rational scrutiny', most organised religions have done a heck of a lot more good than bad. And the ones responsible for the bad stuff will never truly corrupt the good that has been done.

[Juniper Mucius]

Made Nightwing wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

The fact that people will attempt to defend things like this when churches do them is one of the reasons that some people find the entire concept of organized religion distasteful.

Organized religion gets a free pass. Always has. It escapes the rational scrutiny it deserves. 

The very fact that we are having this conversation proves that it does not get a pass and never will. Sometimes people get things wrong. We're humans, we're not perfect and we never will be. Under 'rational scrutiny', most organised religions have done a heck of a lot more good than bad. And the ones responsible for the bad stuff will never truly corrupt the good that has been done.

Didn't someone from Bioware say not to get into a discussion like this or the thread will be closed?

[Swords and Lasers]

I think its a cool idea but I think it's too late for it to be implemented successfully in the new game. It would add to the depth of your Shepard whether you used it or not.

[LPPrince]

I thought the thread title was Partying in ME3.

Jeez. Too much My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

[Swords and Lasers]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

I think its a cool idea but I think it's too late for it to be implemented successfully in the new game...

 

Bioware! Prove me wrong. Do it. Put praying in ME3.

[Golden Owl]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

 I guess I wouldn't mind this, but if you do, you have to at least give various options.  At the vary least, if you choose a "prayer" option, it should be listed as "Prayer - Monotheistic - God," "Prayer - Monotheistic - Goddess" or "Prayer - Polytheistic".  Ashely mentions she believes in a god, she doesn't say what god it is.  Sure, we can assume she's Christian, but I highly doubt in the year 2185 when humans are coexisting with aliens, that our real-world religions are anything like present day religions.  After all, Ashley was original a romantic choice for a female Shepard.  Some changes have had to happen.  I'd imagine maybe at that point, most theists in the Mass Effect universe have shirked modern day theology for the most part.  That, or they just look at their religious texts as "metaphor".  I used to consider myself Heathen, and even though I believe the Nordic beliefs would be one of the more easily adaptive religions (in regards to aliens existing, as the Norse already believed in numerous worlds and such), it'd still take a lot to adapt to the idea that the gods didn't create us.  

Long story short, don't have characters specify one certain religion to which they belong.  Keep it simple, and just allow for the notion of a god, goddess, or many gods without reference to any scripture or theology.

Or if you live more so by a Philosophical Spirituality...such as Animism, Taoism, Buddhism...with more focus on a lifestyle perspective over a Creator Being/s...As an Animist myself, I would very much like to see my Shep express a spirituality through philosophical introspection (he never suggests experimenting on the Varren for a reason on Mordins LM)....Maybe the best that could be done is BW giving Shep an introspective moment and we players can allow our own imaginations to fill in the gaps as Shep does this.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 30 août 2011 - 08:56 .

[Juniper Mucius]

Golden Owl wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

 I guess I wouldn't mind this, but if you do, you have to at least give various options.  At the vary least, if you choose a "prayer" option, it should be listed as "Prayer - Monotheistic - God," "Prayer - Monotheistic - Goddess" or "Prayer - Polytheistic".  Ashely mentions she believes in a god, she doesn't say what god it is.  Sure, we can assume she's Christian, but I highly doubt in the year 2185 when humans are coexisting with aliens, that our real-world religions are anything like present day religions.  After all, Ashley was original a romantic choice for a female Shepard.  Some changes have had to happen.  I'd imagine maybe at that point, most theists in the Mass Effect universe have shirked modern day theology for the most part.  That, or they just look at their religious texts as "metaphor".  I used to consider myself Heathen, and even though I believe the Nordic beliefs would be one of the more easily adaptive religions (in regards to aliens existing, as the Norse already believed in numerous worlds and such), it'd still take a lot to adapt to the idea that the gods didn't create us.  

Long story short, don't have characters specify one certain religion to which they belong.  Keep it simple, and just allow for the notion of a god, goddess, or many gods without reference to any scripture or theology.

Or if you live more so by a Philosophical Spirituality...such as Animism, Taoism, Buddhism...with more focus on a lifestyle perspective over a Creator Being/s...As an Animist myself, I would very much like to see my Shep express a spirituality through philosophical introspection (he never suggests experimenting on the Varren for a reason on Mordins LM)....Maybe the best that could be done is BW giving Shep an introspective moment and we players can allow our own imaginations to fill in the gaps as Shep does this.

Even better.  I'm not even sure why it didn't cross my mind (perhaps because it's late), seeing as how before I found my own polytheistic religion, I considered myself an animist.  If they did give a spiritual moment, I'd have to say "intorspective spiritual moment" would be the best way to go.  Good on you.

[Golden Owl]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

 I guess I wouldn't mind this, but if you do, you have to at least give various options.  At the vary least, if you choose a "prayer" option, it should be listed as "Prayer - Monotheistic - God," "Prayer - Monotheistic - Goddess" or "Prayer - Polytheistic".  Ashely mentions she believes in a god, she doesn't say what god it is.  Sure, we can assume she's Christian, but I highly doubt in the year 2185 when humans are coexisting with aliens, that our real-world religions are anything like present day religions.  After all, Ashley was original a romantic choice for a female Shepard.  Some changes have had to happen.  I'd imagine maybe at that point, most theists in the Mass Effect universe have shirked modern day theology for the most part.  That, or they just look at their religious texts as "metaphor".  I used to consider myself Heathen, and even though I believe the Nordic beliefs would be one of the more easily adaptive religions (in regards to aliens existing, as the Norse already believed in numerous worlds and such), it'd still take a lot to adapt to the idea that the gods didn't create us.  

Long story short, don't have characters specify one certain religion to which they belong.  Keep it simple, and just allow for the notion of a god, goddess, or many gods without reference to any scripture or theology.

Or if you live more so by a Philosophical Spirituality...such as Animism, Taoism, Buddhism...with more focus on a lifestyle perspective over a Creator Being/s...As an Animist myself, I would very much like to see my Shep express a spirituality through philosophical introspection (he never suggests experimenting on the Varren for a reason on Mordins LM)....Maybe the best that could be done is BW giving Shep an introspective moment and we players can allow our own imaginations to fill in the gaps as Shep does this.

Even better.  I'm not even sure why it didn't cross my mind (perhaps because it's late), seeing as how before I found my own polytheistic religion, I considered myself an animist.  If they did give a spiritual moment, I'd have to say "intorspective spiritual moment" would be the best way to go.  Good on you.

Thank you kind sir/lady........I have mentioned it periodically a small number of times on this thread, but as always, voices get lost among the many....I would hate to be BW if their going through this Forum.

[Juniper Mucius]

Golden Owl wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

 I guess I wouldn't mind this, but if you do, you have to at least give various options.  At the vary least, if you choose a "prayer" option, it should be listed as "Prayer - Monotheistic - God," "Prayer - Monotheistic - Goddess" or "Prayer - Polytheistic".  Ashely mentions she believes in a god, she doesn't say what god it is.  Sure, we can assume she's Christian, but I highly doubt in the year 2185 when humans are coexisting with aliens, that our real-world religions are anything like present day religions.  After all, Ashley was original a romantic choice for a female Shepard.  Some changes have had to happen.  I'd imagine maybe at that point, most theists in the Mass Effect universe have shirked modern day theology for the most part.  That, or they just look at their religious texts as "metaphor".  I used to consider myself Heathen, and even though I believe the Nordic beliefs would be one of the more easily adaptive religions (in regards to aliens existing, as the Norse already believed in numerous worlds and such), it'd still take a lot to adapt to the idea that the gods didn't create us.  

Long story short, don't have characters specify one certain religion to which they belong.  Keep it simple, and just allow for the notion of a god, goddess, or many gods without reference to any scripture or theology.

Or if you live more so by a Philosophical Spirituality...such as Animism, Taoism, Buddhism...with more focus on a lifestyle perspective over a Creator Being/s...As an Animist myself, I would very much like to see my Shep express a spirituality through philosophical introspection (he never suggests experimenting on the Varren for a reason on Mordins LM)....Maybe the best that could be done is BW giving Shep an introspective moment and we players can allow our own imaginations to fill in the gaps as Shep does this.

Even better.  I'm not even sure why it didn't cross my mind (perhaps because it's late), seeing as how before I found my own polytheistic religion, I considered myself an animist.  If they did give a spiritual moment, I'd have to say "intorspective spiritual moment" would be the best way to go.  Good on you.

Thank you kind sir/lady........I have mentioned it periodically a small number of times on this thread, but as always, voices get lost among the many....I would hate to be BW if their going through this Forum.

"Sir".  I thought about seeing if I could get my name changed so people would be less confused about my gender (you're not the first to wonder).  But if I changed it, it'd be to my real life name, which I go by "Toni".  And thus, people would just figure I'm female given the profile picture and the spelling of the name.  *Sigh*

[Rockworm503]

fibchopkin wrote...

Not entirely sure how I'd feel about prayer in game. Having my Warden dismiss the Chantry cause she's Dalish, or my Hawke ask for the Grand Cleric's blessing already feels just slightly strange to me. I know it's all made up, but a part of me can't help but feel like I'm dissing Catholics, or whatever other group identifies strongly with the Chantry when I'm doing the one, or that I actually believe/ sympathize when I'm doing the other. It's a fantasy- all made up, so it never gives me more than a moments's pause, but if I were presented with the choice of actual existing religions in ME3- I have to say it would feel a bit uncomfortable.

I like the existing references to various religions (mainly Judeo-Christian) the way they already are. The "House Divided" quest, the quote from the Gospel of Luke, and so on are often mentioned on the forums and in discussions. It's pretty subtly done, and I personally think that it adds more to the game than actual prayer would.

I actually like it because I hate religion.  I respect everyone's right to it but being able to insult the maker is great.  I'm not actually wanting an option to diss god in ME3 but that point where religion is an option something like "where was god when the Protheans needed him?"  Or something like that would be very welcome.

[ForumHelper]

No, keep religion out of the game. It's already in too many places.

[Juniper Mucius]

Rockworm503 wrote...

fibchopkin wrote...

Not entirely sure how I'd feel about prayer in game. Having my Warden dismiss the Chantry cause she's Dalish, or my Hawke ask for the Grand Cleric's blessing already feels just slightly strange to me. I know it's all made up, but a part of me can't help but feel like I'm dissing Catholics, or whatever other group identifies strongly with the Chantry when I'm doing the one, or that I actually believe/ sympathize when I'm doing the other. It's a fantasy- all made up, so it never gives me more than a moments's pause, but if I were presented with the choice of actual existing religions in ME3- I have to say it would feel a bit uncomfortable.

I like the existing references to various religions (mainly Judeo-Christian) the way they already are. The "House Divided" quest, the quote from the Gospel of Luke, and so on are often mentioned on the forums and in discussions. It's pretty subtly done, and I personally think that it adds more to the game than actual prayer would.

I actually like it because I hate religion.  I respect everyone's right to it but being able to insult the maker is great.  I'm not actually wanting an option to diss god in ME3 but that point where religion is an option something like "where was god when the Protheans needed him?"  Or something like that would be very welcome.

The problem I had with Dragon Age: Origins when it came to the Chantry, was there was no middle ground.  I played a (as you can see) city-elf female.  I wanted her to be indifferent towards the Chantry, but there was never any "indifference" diaologue choice.  It was either "yeah, I love the Maker," or "frell the Maker in his frelling face".  But then I had my character turn to the Chantry once she reached the Urn of Sacred Ashes.

[Golden Owl]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

"Sir".  I thought about seeing if I could get my name changed so people would be less confused about my gender (you're not the first to wonder).  But if I changed it, it'd be to my real life name, which I go by "Toni".  And thus, people would just figure I'm female given the profile picture and the spelling of the name.  *Sigh*

Just as difficult for me.......a female named Kim...<_< *Double Sigh*

[Golden Owl]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

fibchopkin wrote...

Not entirely sure how I'd feel about prayer in game. Having my Warden dismiss the Chantry cause she's Dalish, or my Hawke ask for the Grand Cleric's blessing already feels just slightly strange to me. I know it's all made up, but a part of me can't help but feel like I'm dissing Catholics, or whatever other group identifies strongly with the Chantry when I'm doing the one, or that I actually believe/ sympathize when I'm doing the other. It's a fantasy- all made up, so it never gives me more than a moments's pause, but if I were presented with the choice of actual existing religions in ME3- I have to say it would feel a bit uncomfortable.

I like the existing references to various religions (mainly Judeo-Christian) the way they already are. The "House Divided" quest, the quote from the Gospel of Luke, and so on are often mentioned on the forums and in discussions. It's pretty subtly done, and I personally think that it adds more to the game than actual prayer would.

I actually like it because I hate religion.  I respect everyone's right to it but being able to insult the maker is great.  I'm not actually wanting an option to diss god in ME3 but that point where religion is an option something like "where was god when the Protheans needed him?"  Or something like that would be very welcome.

The problem I had with Dragon Age: Origins when it came to the Chantry, was there was no middle ground.  I played a (as you can see) city-elf female.  I wanted her to be indifferent towards the Chantry, but there was never any "indifference" diaologue choice.  It was either "yeah, I love the Maker," or "frell the Maker in his frelling face".  But then I had my character turn to the Chantry once she reached the Urn of Sacred Ashes.

I had the same problem....a wood elf....with no middle ground with the Chantry.

[Radahldo]

I thnk the only times you were forced to be either rude or faithful was in lothering when the Cleroc asked you for tithe. There was another instance in a conversation with Sten where you defend chantry to him, I think.
In other instances there was usually a neutral dialog to advance conversation. Taking quests from Chantry board was neutral for example.

The problem I had with DA: O was the lack of allowed Dalish beliefs becaue the Dalish elf shares dialog and npc reactions with the city elf, who is assumed to Andrastian. Dialog like "thank the maker' shouldnt even apppear for the Dalish but it doed.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I think Shepard should be able to pray in the direction of Mekkah 7 times per day. At regular intervals during the game, like, even when you are on a mission, he can roll out his carpet and kneel down.

[Eckswhyzee]

Best context for prayer I can think of?

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men."

[stysiaq]

Well, I didnt read the whole thread, but since it's not locked down, I'll add my views on that.

I think that "praying" or any religious activity can be implemented in the game, unless it is forced on you. Thane prays all the time to different deities, there are codex entries regarding religion, the Asari say "by the Goddess" all the time and such.
It's not a wrong thing to allow the player to f.e. share a little prayer with Ash/Thane/ another sensible companion right before the final battle. It would be completely normal situation, and nobody would be offended, because it would be just an option.
And if Shepard was asked who/what did s/he pray to, s/he'd just say "That's my business" , period.

However, I think that adding any present human relligion into the game would be "just pain no gain". It would end in just greater number of flame wars on the forums, as if we didn't have enough of them. It would be noticed just by the players, who actually care about all the options.

[wetnasty]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Bioware is already adding controversial things like same-sex romance, so why not add some religious stuff?