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darthnick427 wrote...

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 Sorry, there's no religion in Mass Effect. 


Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."


I have been in alot of foxholes myself, the foxes there told me they are all atheist....

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darthnick427 wrote...

Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."


I'm pretty sure my Shepard meant that as a euphemism. Image IPB

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darthnick427 wrote...

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 Sorry, there's no religion in Mass Effect. 


Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."

Indeed. Unfortunate oversights by the writers. There's no religion in Mass Effect.


Now you're just being mean, marsh.:(

(imagine that in a little kid's voice and you get the tone I'm going for. I hate having to spell out everything I do)

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Isn't talk about religion against the forum rules?

If it were against the rules wouldn't all the paragon vs renegade threads get locked?

Huh?:huh:

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Meh, Shepard doesn't need God on his side, he's Shepard.


Pft, he doesn't need God - he is God.

And he doesn't pray - he simply does.

That's what the religions in game should be all about - Shepard worship. All of the other characters would be praying to Shepard - and after he defeats the Reapers with his righteous might, he rules the galaxy in peace until the next cycle (which will be the setting of ME4, no doubt).

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Sure, why not.

Now i only think this should be allowed if you are playing a Shepard that has been imported from ME1. Also your shepard would have had to told Ashley that s/he believed in a God.

That, however, is just silly - are religious people only able to pray if they announce their faith to literally everyone they meet? Or is Ash the messiah who confers the power to pray on believers?

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marshalleck wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Sorry, there's no religion in Mass Effect. 


Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."

Indeed. Unfortunate oversights by the writers. There's no religion in Mass Effect.


@marshalleck: Really? You don't say.Then what the hell is all this doing in Mass Effect:

Religion

Turians believe that groups and areas have "spirits" that transcend the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have a literal spirit that embodies the honor and courage it has displayed. A city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility of the area it grows within.

These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world, but spirits can inspire the living. Prayers and rituals allow an individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested may appeal to the spirit
of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honor of the group. A turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with the spirit of a beautiful location.

Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari siarist philosophy. Since opening dialog with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.

In the past, turians believed that titans strode across Palaven, reaching for the heavens. They worshiped these deities and communicated with them at a structure called Temple Palaven. The temple was tended to by a religious order called the Valluvian Priests, who wear special purple robes which obscure their forms. In order for turians to join this order, they had to be considered worthy enough through some action.

When the turians spread out from Palaven and discovered other life among the stars, however, they sealed Temple Palaven because they no longer needed legends to prod them upward. With the temple abandoned,
eventually the Valluvian Priests fell into legend.


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Sure, why not.

Now i only think this should be allowed if you are playing a Shepard that has been imported from ME1. Also your shepard would have had to told Ashley that s/he believed in a God.

That, however, is just silly - are religious people only able to pray if they announce their faith to literally everyone they meet? Or is Ash the messiah who confers the power to pray on believers?

The second one.:D

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Too many religions to account for, taking into consideration all the separate religious beliefs possible from krogan tribes, salarians, asari, turians, etc. There are even some modern entangled/newly-formed religions based on human reaction to alien belief. Statistically impossible to discuss all of the variables in ME3. Best left untouched.

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ubermensch007 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Sorry, there's no religion in Mass Effect. 


Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."

Indeed. Unfortunate oversights by the writers. There's no religion in Mass Effect.


@marshalleck: Really? You don't say.Then what the hell is all this doing in Mass Effect:

Religion

Turians believe that groups and areas have "spirits" that transcend the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have a literal spirit that embodies the honor and courage it has displayed. A city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility of the area it grows within.

These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world, but spirits can inspire the living. Prayers and rituals allow an individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested may appeal to the spirit
of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honor of the group. A turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with the spirit of a beautiful location.

Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari siarist philosophy. Since opening dialog with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.

In the past, turians believed that titans strode across Palaven, reaching for the heavens. They worshiped these deities and communicated with them at a structure called Temple Palaven. The temple was tended to by a religious order called the Valluvian Priests, who wear special purple robes which obscure their forms. In order for turians to join this order, they had to be considered worthy enough through some action.

When the turians spread out from Palaven and discovered other life among the stars, however, they sealed Temple Palaven because they no longer needed legends to prod them upward. With the temple abandoned,
eventually the Valluvian Priests fell into legend.


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Waiting to be deleted, that's what it's doing.

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ubermensch007 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Sorry, there's no religion in Mass Effect. 


Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."

Indeed. Unfortunate oversights by the writers. There's no religion in Mass Effect.


@marshalleck: Really? You don't say.Then what the hell is all this doing in Mass Effect:

Religion

Turians believe that groups and areas have "spirits" that transcend the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have a literal spirit that embodies the honor and courage it has displayed. A city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility of the area it grows within.

These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world, but spirits can inspire the living. Prayers and rituals allow an individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested may appeal to the spirit
of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honor of the group. A turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with the spirit of a beautiful location.

Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari siarist philosophy. Since opening dialog with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.

In the past, turians believed that titans strode across Palaven, reaching for the heavens. They worshiped these deities and communicated with them at a structure called Temple Palaven. The temple was tended to by a religious order called the Valluvian Priests, who wear special purple robes which obscure their forms. In order for turians to join this order, they had to be considered worthy enough through some action.

When the turians spread out from Palaven and discovered other life among the stars, however, they sealed Temple Palaven because they no longer needed legends to prod them upward. With the temple abandoned,
eventually the Valluvian Priests fell into legend.


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Oversights by the writers like he said.^_^

#112
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Cutlass Jack wrote...

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As long as every religion known to humankind can be included, why not. Personally I am agnostic/atheist, so I could care less about belief systems.


Exactly. My Shepard follows the Qun.


LOL

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My shepard follows the religion of `Nerf Protoss.` A belief system dedicated to nerfing that damn race... or at least buffing Zerg.

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Eckswhyzee wrote...

More dialogue options = better.

We should also get a line where Atheist Shepard says "O MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY PLEASE STRIKE DOWN THE SPACE CTULHUS. lol jk let's kick some ass."

yes.. this.. please! lmao:happy:

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Cheesy Blue wrote...

I'm an Atheist. I find that extremely offensive.


I'm an Agnostic...so I'm not sure how I feel...

Seriously though...as long as it's not imposed, I really don't have a problem with the idea. There are plenty of ways to do it without indicating just what "God" Shepard is praying to.

If those of us who support s/s Romance options want to be taken seriously then we shoul not say no to those who want this option as well...

The situation s/he's in certainly lends itself to a quick Prayer from even someone who didn't believe before.

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Err... Right okay :? marshalleck, jreezy - You do know that while Mass effect is science fiction.it is not an alternate reality akin to the Final Fantasy games or Dragon Age: Orgin.

One of the things that makes Mass Effect so fascinating is how great a thought experiment it is.Future human explores find alien technolgy on Mars.reverse engineer it and aquire the ability to traverse the stars. :wizard:

Mass Effect is set out from its "Genesis" to be the world we know - only a century or two in the future.

The notion that in a mere 170 plus years time - there will be no religious devotees on or from the planet Earth.Is more absurd than how the Mass Effect novels keep going on about how people with natural blonde hair and blue eyes are nearly extinct in the 22nd Century <_<

And here i thought most if not all Sci-Fi aficionados sought the fabled VERSIMILITUDE that Richard Donner sought when he was making Superman: The Movie. :whistle:

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I think space-God should reveal himself and kill the reapers after good Christian Shepard has slaughtered a sufficient number of America-hating Batarian Muslims

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ubermensch007 wrote...

Err... Right okay :? marshalleck, jreezy - You do know that while Mass effect is science fiction.it is not an alternate reality akin to the Final Fantasy games or Dragon Age: Orgin.

One of the things that makes Mass Effect so fascinating is how great a thought experiment it is.Future human explores find alien technolgy on Mars.reverse engineer it and aquire the ability to traverse the stars. :wizard:

Mass Effect is set out from its "Genesis" to be the world we know - only a century or two in the future.

The notion that in a mere 170 plus years time - there will be no religious devotees on or from the planet Earth.Is more absurd than how the Mass Effect novels keep going on about how people with natural blonde hair and blue eyes are nearly extinct in the 22nd Century <_<

And here i thought most if not all Sci-Fi aficionados sought the fabled VERSIMILITUDE that Richard Donner sought when he was making Superman: The Movie. :whistle:

Image IPB [Off-topic image removed as spam] Image IPB


Rambling and incoherent, culminating in a picture of Superman for some reason. Didn't read.

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dafatcat wrote...

I think space-God should reveal himself and kill the reapers after good Christian Shepard has slaughtered a sufficient number of America-hating Batarian Muslims


Are you a troll just trying to get this thread locked?

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These threads always attract the rabid secularists that proceed to fling insults because they stand on a mountain of smug intellectualism, however unfounded their mount may be.

This is why we these threads suck.

This is why we can't have nice things.

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To be on the safe side it would probably have to be optional and a unspecified religion. There is no reason to rule out a religious Shepard.

Perhaps a blue box on a window in the Normandy that gives Shepard the following options:
1 Walk away.
2 Watch the stars.
3 Say a silent prayer. (Religion unspecified for practical reasons)

Everyone can live with that I think.

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FlyingWalrus wrote...

These threads always attract the rabid secularists that proceed to fling insults because they stand on a mountain of smug intellectualism, however unfounded their mount may be.

This is why we these threads suck.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Religion is not, and has never been, a "nice thing."

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marshalleck wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Sorry, there's no religion in Mass Effect. 


Ashley williams would have to disagree. She believes in god. and apperently so does my shepard since he gave the line "You know the phrase: there's no atheist in a fox hole. I've been a lot of foxholes."

Indeed. Unfortunate oversights by the writers. There's no religion in Mass Effect.


Why do athiests always have to be so smug and pretentious about it?

Before you insult me for being religous, I'm an athiest too. I'm just not a jackass.

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How do you know I'm an atheist?

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marshalleck wrote...

How do you know I'm an atheist?


marshalleck wrote...
Religion is not, and has never been, a "nice thing."


That seems like a really big hint.