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[CroGamer002]

Abirn wrote...
95% of christianity will bash anyone who is a non christian especially athiests and muslims.

From what ass did you pulled those numbers?

Just turn of fox news for an example of this.

You watch Fox News for information?

[Phaedon]

Fox News is very well known to cater to an extremely conservative and narrow-minded American crowd, btw.

[eternalnightmare13]

I wouldn't mind religion being optional dialogue in ME3 at all. The keyword being optional. I don't think you need to have that talk with Ash as prerequisite though, that's just kinda silly.

[Domdeegrpgc]

No thank you. Bioware have been rightfully careful about religion in ME and they'll continue to.

It's different for Dragon Age which is an entirely fictional world. The Mass Effect universe is our own and so they have to pay equal respect to human religious traditions - either equal inclusion or lack thereof. It'd be impossible to sensitively implement religion after religion to ensure no one takes offence to their lack of inclusion, so it makes much more sense not to include at all, or to do so in a vague and ambiguous manner.

(For reference I'm an atheist and not a fan of religion in the slightest).

[Takio]

People pray to Shepard, and the power of their prayers give him god-like powers.

[Luvinn]

I couldn't care either way, but then again I am a very agnostic person. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if a specific religion wasn't 100% accurate (then again, i wouldn't even know if it was), or if one religious belief wasn't done as well as another. But you know that many people would care......

I think this is different from including s/s romances because it isn't a cut and dry issue. Your Sheperd is either gay/straight or single. There isn't a very big gray area. There is just too many variables, and the potential ****storm that will follow for something that wouldn't play a very large role in the game. Mass Effect was built upon relationships with your crew, not religious beliefs.

Modifié par Luvinn, 28 août 2011 - 03:40 .

[Hathur]

Honestly folks, this thread...... you're all kinda goin...

Modifié par Hathur, 28 août 2011 - 03:40 .

[Seboist]

I'd like to see my canon Shepard (who's a lutheran christian btw) praying to her lord and savior Jesus Christ before a mission.

Of course my pseudo-canon Shepard will also need a prayer rug for when she prays to Mecca as well.

[Phaedon]

Hathur wrote...

Honestly folks, this thread...... you're all kinda goin...

Tbh, it has stagnated for pages now. Praying is essentially impossible, if it isn't interaction with a character who supports a specific religion.

[IndigoWolfe]

Mesina2 wrote...

From what ass did you pulled those numbers?

The many many different applications for this phrase is the most valuable thing I see coming out of the entirety of this thread.

[xentar]

If they add prayers they must add masturbation as well.

[JackalofMons]

My pantheist Shepard will look within himself for answers. My Panentheist Shepard however.... not sure.

[Takio]

xentar wrote...

If they add prayers they must add masturbation as well.

Shepard doesn't need masturbation, although his presence makes heterosexual men ejaculate thrice. 

[JackalofMons]

Though my Polytheist Shepard has a lot of work ahead of her, best get started early.

[JackalofMons]

Panprotoexperientialist Shepard avoids these conversations altogether, too much work involved.

[sevach]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

 problem solved

So unfair...
Praying for Yahweh is a renegade choice??? Don't you know they always screw renegades? 


Anyway, i'll pray to the enkindlers!!!!

[TheMakoMaster]

much more diverse representation of potential player thoughts

[jerry81]

ubermensch007 wrote...

And somehow - what I wrote in my "Poll" comes to mind:

It has been said that,"There is no atheist in a foxhole..." I've been thinking recently.Wouldn't it be cool -- Wouldn't it be a truly unforgettable moment in Gaming History.If in Mass Effect 3, Commander Shepard has a 'Talking (or Shouting or Crying out) to God moment!?! Self-reliance is a virtue.And we all have our pride.But even Jake Sully
in James Cameron's Avatar: Had a moment where he had done all that he could do and asked Eywa: ( The guiding force and deity of Pandora and the Navi) for whatever help that it could provide.I don't know about
you.But I was really moved by a certain moment of the Reaper Invasion of Earth footage that we got to see.In the ME 3 Demo.

Anderson: God.How do you stop something so powerful?!

Shepard: I don't know?!

After hearing the both of these accomplished, strong, highly competent men.Speak so honestly to one another.Saying things that they would never want their subordinates to hear.Lest they lose morale.The vulnerability, that Admiral David Anderson and Commander John Shepard show here.Is a real 'tearjerker' moment.If you really think about it, for a minute..BioWare has said that defeating the Reapers will seem hopeless and resistance futile; for a good percentage of the story.(I'm paraphrasing)

On account of this I could so see Shepard have a moment, either in his cabin on the Normandy or at a religious site or graveyard;say something like this: (This will be optional of course.I don't believe that BioWare should force every player to play this scene, if they don't want too.But I do believe that the option should be there.)

Shepard:"Ha... You know -- My mother always told me that,"God will never put more on your shoulders than you can bare." I have come so far.I have cheated death.I have talked to the point of almost losing my voice.Trying to convince people of the Reaper Invasion.Mostly to no avail... I'm not asking or expecting Angels to descend from the 3rd heaven to save us... But I need something.Some sign.Some - hope.Some.....................

............ INSPIRATION -- A Big Idea or a Point in the right direction.Something.... Just.... Something -- Sigh..."


Post Script: This is the Paragon Version of the Monologue or Dialogue that Shepard has with God.

I would like to see the option for something like this available, I'm personally an atheist but I think that a conversation akin to this before the final fight would go far in humanizing Shepard. As mentioned before, after all the things he has been through such as his resserection in ME2, I think it would make sense if he believed in a higher power of some sort or had at the very least pondered the question. I think as long as they stay away from any specifcs in the prayer it would be fine. But admittedly it would be a very tough and controversial topic to handle, as we have seen thus far there are alot of opposing viewpoints on the situation so if it's not included I can understand that.

[Domdeegrpgc]

TheMakoMaster wrote...

much more diverse representation of potential player thoughts

That's much better! Equality for fictional characters I say! 

[nitefyre410]

jerry81 wrote...




I would like to see the option for something like this available, I'm personally an atheist but I think that a conversation akin to this before the final fight would go far in humanizing Shepard. As mentioned before, after all the things he has been through such as his resserection in ME2, I think it would make sense if he believed in a higher power of some sort or had at the very least pondered the question. I think as long as they stay away from any specifcs in the prayer it would be fine. But admittedly it would be a very tough and controversial topic to handle, as we have seen thus far there are alot of opposing viewpoints on the situation so if it's not included I can understand that.

 

OMG  a reason well thought out response and you right it would humanize him  which when you telling a War story as they say is important.   But as  you see as soon as any mentions  faith or religon or belief ppl get  tied in all sorts of  knots...  thats maturity  for ya I tell ya.

[Meshaber]

I would like this, but only if the only available alternative was the biotic God.

[whywhywhywhy]

Made Nightwing wrote...

I think it could work. Just keep it vague, and include plenty of opt outs-

For instance:

*Shepard is sitting alone. Is approached by Vega*

Vega: What are you up to sir?
Shepard: LEFT OPTION: Just taking some time to pray. RIGHT OPTION: Just taking some time to think.
Vega: LEFT RESPONSE: Didn't peg you for a religious man sir. RIGHT RESPONSE: Yeah? Good time to take stock of things I guess.
Shepard: LEFT CONVERSATION: I'm going up against machines that can crack planets in half. I need all the help I can get. RIGHT CONVERSATION: Only way we're getting through this is if we have our heads clear.

Anyway, that's just my view of it. Nice and ambiguous.

I was thinking of something similar maybe Shepard should say something profound about his belief something not particular to any one belief.

greengoron89 wrote...

That sounds good. He wouldn't need to invoke a name during the prayer, or even say anything at all.

It'd integrate with his character nicely, actually - he did (or could, if you picked the option) say to Ashley that you'll never find an atheist in a fox hole - and I'd say where Shepard's at in that situation is pretty much a fox hole.

Anyway, the scene immediately after would likely feature Shepard getting it on with his LI - so everything balances out nicely, no?

Absolutely.  People who recognize flaws within themselves and that something greater then themselves exist that they depend on.  Being flaw doesn't present a contradiction it just represents the path taken while on their spiritual journey.

That said if soldiers can declare their belief should'nt Shepard as a soldier be able to do the same ?

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 août 2011 - 04:51 .