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[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

Those of us that were happy with the original decision had less reason to be aware of the second round of voting.
There is nothing inconsistent about my thinking.

Please, enlighten me to how you came to this conclusion. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean others didn't also.

[Thestral]

EsterCloat wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

St. Eve wrote...

Oh, it seems people are still discussing this highly interesting topic.
Here, let me enrich your debate with my professional opinion.


*snip*

I agree.

Quite.

Indeed.

[KBomb]

Nozybidaj wrote...


/shrug  I'm still curious how you arrive at that conclusion.  Fact is Blonde Shep has over 30K votes.  Red Shep had 19K.  I understand folks want to invent their own supposed "truths" about why people voted for Blonde Shep in round 1 but the fact is they did vote for her, and she won.  Now the fact that BW chose a different one for the default is irrelevant to that.

Bioware didn't choose the new default. Voters did. Voters who did not want the blond, obviously. Since she came in so pitifully in the second round. She didn't even come close. She lost soundly. You can keep throwing that 30,000 number around until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that those same 30,000 either didn't want to vote again, or didn't want the blond. Now will your reason be that 11,000 people did not know the second vote was taking place? Is that a straw you've yet to grasp?

[blacqout]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Those of us that were happy with the original decision had less reason to be aware of the second round of voting.
There is nothing inconsistent about my thinking.

Please, enlighten me to how you came to this conclusion. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean others didn't also.

I've already demonstrated, through the power of mathematics, that significantly fewer people voted in the second round.

Modifié par blacqout, 30 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[RynJ]

KBomb wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


/shrug  I'm still curious how you arrive at that conclusion.  Fact is Blonde Shep has over 30K votes.  Red Shep had 19K.  I understand folks want to invent their own supposed "truths" about why people voted for Blonde Shep in round 1 but the fact is they did vote for her, and she won.  Now the fact that BW chose a different one for the default is irrelevant to that.

Bioware didn't choose the new default. Voters did. Voters who did not want the blond, obviously. Since she came in so pitifully in the second round. She didn't even come close. She lost soundly. You can keep throwing that 30,000 number around until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that those same 30,000 either didn't want to vote again, or didn't want the blond. Now will your reason be that 11,000 people did not know the second vote was taking place? Is that a straw you've yet to grasp?

We're on the same page, you and I.  Logic ftw.

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Those of us that were happy with the original decision had less reason to be aware of the second round of voting.
There is nothing inconsistent about my thinking.

Please, enlighten me to how you came to this conclusion. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean others didn't also.

I've already demonstrated, through the power of mathematics, that significantly fewer people voted in the second round.

Obvious. Where is the part where you prove that the people unaware of the 2nd poll were mostly blonde voters in the 1st poll?

[Nozybidaj]

RynJ wrote...
The only one inventing a "truth" is you love. You're conclusions are no less valid than mine and definitely no more.

So you deny the fact that 30K people voted for blonde and 19K voted for red?

You making excuses for why Blonde didn't win round 2 because you can't understand why people didn't want what you presumably wanted. 

Not at all.  I haven't made a single excuse why she didn't win round 2.  I agreed with an assumption that was put forth, but there is no way from the available data to make a judgement on the "reason" one way or the other.

I voted 5 and preferred redhead to blonde in the 1st poll.

So since you did a majority of the 31K did as well?  You have data to back that up I assume and its not just inventing a "truth" right?

Did you just say Bioware chose the redhead?

Uh, yeah they did.  BW chose the red head one.  Is that also a disputed fact?  Is the red head not the new (old actually) default?

[EsterCloat]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Those of us that were happy with the original decision had less reason to be aware of the second round of voting.
There is nothing inconsistent about my thinking.

Please, enlighten me to how you came to this conclusion. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean others didn't also.

I've already demonstrated, through the power of mathematics, that significantly fewer people voted in the second round.

Obvious. Where is the part where you prove that the people unaware of the 2nd poll were mostly blonde voters in the 1st poll?

I think it's the part where his blonde Shepard didn't win and he wanted an explanation that accused other people with bigotry.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 30 août 2011 - 02:51 .

[blacqout]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Those of us that were happy with the original decision had less reason to be aware of the second round of voting.
There is nothing inconsistent about my thinking.

Please, enlighten me to how you came to this conclusion. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean others didn't also.

I've already demonstrated, through the power of mathematics, that significantly fewer people voted in the second round.

Obvious. Where is the part where you prove that the people unaware of the 2nd poll were mostly blonde voters in the 1st poll?

It's a logical conclusion to draw, since the blonde option polled so poorly and it stands to reason that those most likely to be aware and vote are the ones unhappy with the original decision.

[RynJ]

Nozybidaj wrote...

RynJ wrote...
The only one inventing a "truth" is you love. You're conclusions are no less valid than mine and definitely no more.

So you deny the fact that 30K people voted for blonde and 19K voted for red?

You making excuses for why Blonde didn't win round 2 because you can't understand why people didn't want what you presumably wanted. 

Not at all.  I haven't made a single excuse why she didn't win round 2.  I agreed with an assumption that was put forth, but there is no way from the available data to make a judgement on the "reason" one way or the other.

I voted 5 and preferred redhead to blonde in the 1st poll.

So since you did a majority of the 31K did as well?  You have data to back that up I assume and its not just inventing a "truth" right?

Did you just say Bioware chose the redhead?

Uh, yeah they did.  BW chose the red head one.  Is that also a disputed fact?  Is the red head not the new (old actually) default?

Voters chose redhead. Not Bioware. So no your "fact" is not a disputed fact, it's a false one.

There was 31K for blonde in the 1st poll. And based on the 2nd poll most of them didn't want a blonde. Do you have data to back up anything that disproves this?  

Weren't there percentages earlier that showed that based on the number of votes, a higher percentage wanted redhead in the 2nd poll than those who wanted blonde in the 1st poll? The 2 polls are totally seperate animals bud, comparing numbers of votes (especially when there were less voters) doesn't hold any water at all. As much as you apparently want it to.

But by all means, keep throwing that number around like it proves something.

[Nozybidaj]

RynJ wrote...
There was 31K for blonde in the 1st poll. And based on the 2nd poll most of them didn't want a blonde. Do you have data to back up anything that disproves this? 

I have as much data that disproves it as you do that proves it.  The only thing we can prove is 31K voted blonde 19K voted red head.  Unless you want to add the two votes together based on similar characteristics then it is more 37/25 but that would get a little fuzzy as far as being a fact goes.  Better to just consider each option its own unique element.

Weren't there percentages earlier that showed that based on the number of votes, a higher percentage wanted redhead in the 2nd poll than those who wanted blonde in the 1st poll?

Really?  You want to compare the percentages from two different set of data that have different sum totals?  What would that even prove?  I think what we have here is a basic misunderstanding of math....

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 30 août 2011 - 03:01 .

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

It's a logical conclusion to draw, since the blonde option polled so poorly and it stands to reason that those most likely to be aware and vote are the ones unhappy with the original decision.

There is nothing logical about that conclusion bud. It's what you did, but other than that it doesn't prove anything. I suppose you're aware of all of the people who voted for blonde in the 1st and knew that they didn't vote in the 2nd because their first choice won.

Take BSN for example. There was information about the poll all over the place. Are you saying that all voters who voted for FemShep 5 decided to not go on BSN because their choice won? I fail to see the logic.

[RynJ]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Really?  You want to compare the percentages from two different set of data that have different sum totals?  What does that even prove?  I think what we have here is a basic misunderstanding of math....

Says Nozybidaj as he compares numbers from two completely different polls like it proves something.

[thatguy212]

So tired of all the whining about this, blonde lost red won too bad, life sucks get a f***ing helmet, seriously if you want blondeshep use the character creator to make her, not that hard of a concept, i'm kinda dreading whatever me3 info they release next because it'll just cause more whining threads

[Nozybidaj]

RynJ wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Really?  You want to compare the percentages from two different set of data that have different sum totals?  What does that even prove?  I think what we have here is a basic misunderstanding of math....

Says Nozybidaj as he compares numbers from two completely different polls like it proves something.

/facepalm  I know I should just stop but seriously you are either just being deliberately obtuse for the sake of argument or don't understand the relative difference of comparing a percentage and whole number.

[RynJ]

Nozybidaj wrote...

RynJ wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Really?  You want to compare the percentages from two different set of data that have different sum totals?  What does that even prove?  I think what we have here is a basic misunderstanding of math....

Says Nozybidaj as he compares numbers from two completely different polls like it proves something.

/facepalm  I know I should just stop but seriously you are either just being deliberately obtuse for the sake of argument or don't understand the relative difference of comparing a percentage and whole number.

What's so difficult? The polls are two TOTALLY different animals. One is about face and hairstyle and haircolor and the other is just about haircolor. How can you compare numbers when they're totally different polls? Especially when one has less voters? You can't.

The obtuse is on you brother. The percentages make just as much sense as your whole numbers, ie they don't.

But keep acting like you're the one who has it all figured out perfectly. It's quite amusing.

Modifié par RynJ, 30 août 2011 - 03:07 .

[Nozybidaj]

RynJ wrote...

One is about face and hairstyle and haircolor and the other is just about haircolor.

Then why does she have green eyes and freckles?  Shouldn't she have blue eyes and a beauty mark?

[RynJ]

Nozybidaj wrote...

RynJ wrote...

One is about face and hairstyle and haircolor and the other is just about haircolor.

Then why does she have green eyes and freckles?  Shouldn't she have blue eyes and a beauty mark?

I don't know but I don't think that really effected voting very much. You couldn't even see it in the Facebook pictures.

For the record I didn't notice the green eyes and freckles when I voted. I'm not speaking for everyone, but it was kind of hard to see. I actually would have preferred blue eyes.

But I'm not complaining. Try it.

Modifié par RynJ, 30 août 2011 - 03:12 .

[Nozybidaj]

RynJ wrote...
Ah I stopped you on one silly point and you bring up another.

/shrug I gave up.  It's hard to converse with one who doesn't understand how comparing %'s across two data sets with different totals is at best a useless gesture.  I'm done now.

[RynJ]

Nozybidaj wrote...

RynJ wrote...
Ah I stopped you on one silly point and you bring up another.

/shrug I gave up.  It's hard to converse with one who doesn't understand how comparing %'s across two data sets with different totals is at best a useless gesture.  I'm done now.

 
I didn't make those percentages so don't yell at me. Not that your whole numbers make anymore sense. In fact they are equal nonsense. You still haven't told me how you can compare numbers of two totally different polls. One with less voters in fact.  I'm waiting but I have to say I'm not expecting much.

It's easy to be done when you know you're wrong.

Btw your false sense of superiority is incredibly entertaining! More please?

Isn't percentages what you use when comparing across two different whole numbers anyways.

Say there's a vote in VA and CA. CA has more people than VA but they can have the same percentage of people who voted for an outcome as VA based on their populations.   CA can have 50% of people voting for a policy and VA can also have 50% of its population voting for that same policy also.  CA has more people than VA but the percentages would still be the same.

Buuuut that implies that the percentages are for the same thing.  These polls are two totally different things so neither percentages nor whole numbers mean anything.

Modifié par RynJ, 30 août 2011 - 03:24 .

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

I don't use these forums all that often, so forgive me if this old news, but i just saw the decided on "official" female Shepard.

I'm glad that facial model won, because it was the one i liked, but i liked it better when she was blonde. Was it always the idea to hold a second round of voting to decide hair colour, or was it because of the overriding anti-blonde sentiment present in pseudo-intellectuals across the net.

I really do get the impression that many men outwardly decry blonde hair on women because they feel it makes them seem somehow sexually enlightened, as if redheads are a gentleman's choice.

I'm bitterly disappointed that she's no longer blonde -- i'll be doubly so if it's because of the prejudice of the fanbase. Will it be possible to alter her hair colour?

When you have a thread dedicating to badmouthing blonde for making shepard look stupid because she's "barbie" for who knows how many pages and some people are so butthurt over something so trivial as hair color I'm honestly surprised we aren't getting a 3rd vote on ears.

[Rockworm503]

Savber100 wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Because people here ****ed and whined " but but but the original ugly default Shepard had red hair and we're frightened of change so please make her a bluey" Ok said BioWare, whatever you want! Plus we can use it for more pointless advertising whilst detracting from the actual game! Awesome!!

Poor Bioware... and we wonder why so many game devs fear the fans. <_<

Ungrateful swines. 

It makes me start thinking that some people stick around just so they CAN whine and complain.  I know some people who have already decided that ME3 is going to suck.  Their still going to buy it so they can Whine and complain about everything about it.

[FlyingWalrus]

Nozybidaj wrote...

RynJ wrote...
Ah I stopped you on one silly point and you bring up another.

/shrug I gave up.  It's hard to converse with one who doesn't understand how comparing %'s across two data sets with different totals is at best a useless gesture.  I'm done now.

This coming from the guy comparing the raw totals from two different polls???

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...


I am really disappointed that stupid prejudices have influenced BioWare's decision. I'm looking forward to ME3 a little bit less now.

Don't let them ruin it for you.  Whatever is said on these forums has no baring on what I do outside them.
Let the loud be loud.  ME3 is still gonna be awesome.

[Rockworm503]

blacqout wrote...

You have to use the premade Shep on the case of the special edition.

I'd rather not that a visage dictated by childike prejudices and misogynistic sentiment grace the cover of a game i'm looking forward to.

Dude your reading too much into this.
Its not prejudices its just butthurt cry babies not getting there way and so Bioware catored to them.
They would've used any excuse to whine about it it just so happens that "barbie bimbo" was there.