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[Arppis]

I actualy would have played as default femshep if she had any other hair color than Red. But my interest colapsed with the haircolor change.

[Naltair]

She will look good on the box, other then that I rarely play female Shepards.

[blacqout]

RynJ wrote...

It certainly proves that most voters didn't want blonde Shep. Or are factual numbers arguable as well?

Wow. Your powers of deduction are humbling.

Nobody is arguing that the red option picked up the most votes in the second poll, but there are some extenuating circumstances. Most notably that far fewer people voted.

I voted for blonde #5 in the original poll and was absolutely happy with her winning. As a result of contentment with the manner in which the matter was resolved, i ceased following the story very closely.

As a result, i was unaware of the second round of voting -- and as already established, many other people that voted in the first poll didn't vote in the second. You should try using your powers of deduction to figure out why, instead of repeating numbers with no thought as to how they came to be.

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

RynJ wrote...

It certainly proves that most voters didn't want blonde Shep. Or are factual numbers arguable as well?

Wow. Your powers of deduction are humbling.

Nobody is arguing that the red option picked up the most votes in the second poll, but there are some extenuating circumstances. Most notably that far fewer people voted.

I voted for blonde #5 in the original poll and was absolutely happy with her winning. As a result of contentment with the manner in which the matter was resolved, i ceased following the story very closely.

As a result, i was unaware of the second round of voting -- and as already established, many other people that voted in the first poll didn't vote in the second. You should try using your powers of deduction to figure out why, instead of repeating numbers with no thought as to how they came to be.

That is what you did my friend. That doesn't mean everyone else who voted for blonde Shep did the same.

Your idea of "how they came to be" is speculation with no factual basis but your own personal choice. You can argue til you're blue in the face about "logic" but that speculation will always be speculation. The only real fact is that blonde lost, which is not an arguable point.

Modifié par RynJ, 30 août 2011 - 07:47 .

[blacqout]

Your simplistic view of this is coming close to personally offending me.

There are many facts, but you seem to be burrying your head in the sand.

There was only supposed to be one vote. Fact.
The second vote came around as a result of misogynystic whining. Fact.
Far fewer people voted in the second poll. Fact.
BioWare has a record of de-blondeifying key female characters in the Mass Effect universe. Fact.

There are plenty of mitigating circumstances that you just can't address, which is why you cling to the numbers of your skewed poll.

Modifié par blacqout, 30 août 2011 - 07:53 .

[WoolyJoe]

blacqout wrote...

Your simplistic view of this is coming close to personally offending me.

There are many facts, but you seem to be burrying your head in the sand.

There was only supposed to be one vote. Fact.
The second vote came around as a result of misogynystic whining. Fact.
Far fewer people voted in the second poll. Fact.
BioWare has a record of de-blondeifying key female characters in the Mass Effect universe. Fact.

There are plenty of mitigating circumstances that you just can't address, which is why you cling to the numbers of your skewed poll.

Aww, dude, you're such a cretin...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

blacqout wrote...

Your simplistic view of this is coming close to personally offending me.

There are many facts, but you seem to be burrying your head in the sand.

There was only supposed to be one vote. Fact
The second vote came around as a result of misogynystic whining. Opinion
Far fewer people voted in the second poll. Fact.
BioWare has a record of de-blondeifying key female characters in the Mass Effect universe. Opinion.

There are plenty of mitigating circumstances that you just can't address, which is why I cling to the numbers of the first  poll.

You snooze you lose,with all of the "deal with it going on" you would think you would still follow the story in case something like this happened,but because you failed to stay on the ball,you blame discrimination and your pathetic little buzzword you keep throwing around, get over it,and stop whining.

[Ohpus]

The red heair does go better with the freckles and green eyes, but then so does blond. I tried it on my new FemShep instead of blue eyes. It was different. But what is up with not changing the eyebrow color to match?

[blacqout]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Your simplistic view of this is coming close to personally offending me.

There are many facts, but you seem to be burrying your head in the sand.

There was only supposed to be one vote. Fact
The second vote came around as a result of misogynystic whining. Opinion
Far fewer people voted in the second poll. Fact.
BioWare has a record of de-blondeifying key female characters in the Mass Effect universe. Opinion.

There are plenty of mitigating circumstances that you just can't address, which is why I cling to the numbers of the first  poll.

You snooze you lose,with all of the "deal with it going on" you would think you would still follow the story in case something like this happened,but because you failed to stay on the ball,you blame discrimination and your pathetic little buzzword you keep throwing around, get over it,and stop whining.

I suppose Rosa Parks should have just "got over" not being allowed to sit at the front of the bus, too.

And this will probably amaze you, but the reaction to the original poll didn't make international headlines.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

You had the right to vote in the second poll,you weren't denied a thing,you're just bitter the "overwhelming" victory in the first poll wasn't nearly as substantial as you thought,and in a second poll, it showed more people were interested in the style and not the color in the first poll.

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

Your simplistic view of this is coming close to personally offending me.

There are many facts, but you seem to be burrying your head in the sand.

There was only supposed to be one vote. Fact.
The second vote came around as a result of misogynystic whining. Fact.
Far fewer people voted in the second poll. Fact.
BioWare has a record of de-blondeifying key female characters in the Mass Effect universe. Fact.

There are plenty of mitigating circumstances that you just can't address, which is why you cling to the numbers of your skewed poll.

My view is simplistic because the whole process is simplistic. You are putting far too much drama and ridiculous speculation into a rather straightforward polling process.  One chose the face and hairstyle and one chose the hair color.  If my views offend you then you really ought to consider getting a hobby as I have done nothing to personally offend you.  You have said plenty to me that I could be offended about, but I really just don't care that much.

Tell me where it was stated as fact that there was only supposed to be one poll. Unless you work at Bioware I don't want to hear it.

The second vote coming around as a result of whining is also silly speculation. Proof? None. If you do have proof though please show me.

Finally you have a real fact here.

That statement is so silly I'm not even going to address it.  Mass Effect has a lack of blondes and it explains why. I don't remember a lack of blondes in other Bioware games, DA has plenty.

You throw around supposed "truths" but you have absolutely no basis to back up your "facts" besides opinions.  You are putting complications into this that aren't necessary. The "skewed" poll comment is your opinion showing again, I'm still waiting for proof of such accusations. I'm not waiting too eagerly.

 I'm "clinging" to the only real fact in this entire thing.  Don't be angry because your arguments hold absolutely no water except in your own opinion.  We all have opinions pal. 

[WoolyJoe]

RynJ wrote...

 We all have opinions pal. 

^ See, this guy gets it!

[RynJ]

WoolyJoe wrote...

RynJ wrote...

 We all have opinions pal. 

^ See, this guy gets it!

Chick, and thank you.

[Kyria Nyriese]

RynJ wrote...

WoolyJoe wrote...

RynJ wrote...

 We all have opinions pal. 

^ See, this guy gets it!

Chick, and thank you.

A woman after my own heart .  You are right and said in a short statement what I meant with all my walls of text

[blacqout]

If it was the plan all along to hold a second vote, we would have been told. That we were not, and that the second vote was set up only after the fan outcry, is my proof.

At any rate, while critical thinking doesn't appear to be your strong point, i would hope that you at least realise the second poll wasn't set up until after the anti-blonde backlash, even if the obvious connection escapes you.

Miranda was supposed to be blonde originally. Like i said, it is a fact that BioWare have a history of de-blonding key female characters in the ME universe.

Modifié par blacqout, 30 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

If it was the plan all along to hold a second vote, we would have been told. Critical thinking doesn't appear to be your strong point, but i would hope that you at least realise the second poll wasn't set up until after the anti-blonde backlash, even if the obvious connection escapes you.

Miranda was supposed to be blonde originally. Like i said, it is a fact that BioWare have a history of de-blonding key female characters in the ME universe.

Why do you assume we would have been told, Bioware doesn't tell us a lot of things.  I didn't say it was the plan all along, but that Bioware may have been considering it.

Actually having evidence for any of your claims doesn't seem to be your strong suit.  The fact that your "obvious" connections are nothing more than opinion escapes you. You still have no proof that the 2nd poll was based on crazy blonde hate, while I have Bioware's statement that the poll was made simply because people expressed interest.  Again, anything else is speculation.

Miranda was changed because her hair didn't go with her outfit. Anyone else?  And it's still only the ME universe which has an in-game explanation for the lack of blondes (even though it's silly).  I'm still not convinced that Bioware workers are crazy blonde haters.

The fact that you have to resort to insults shows that you have little competence in debates.

Modifié par RynJ, 30 août 2011 - 08:45 .

[blacqout]

I don't consider an observation made after careful consideration of the empirical evidence to be an insult.

You're either naive, or simply unable to draw connections.

[Kyria Nyriese]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

If it was the plan all along to hold a second vote, we would have been told. Critical thinking doesn't appear to be your strong point, but i would hope that you at least realise the second poll wasn't set up until after the anti-blonde backlash, even if the obvious connection escapes you.

Miranda was supposed to be blonde originally. Like i said, it is a fact that BioWare have a history of de-blonding key female characters in the ME universe.

Why do you assume we would have been told, Bioware doesn't tell us a lot of things.  I didn't say it was the plan all along, but that Bioware may have been considering it.

Actually having evidence for any of your claims doesn't seem to be your strong suit.  The fact that your "obvious" connections are nothing more than opinion escapes you. You still have no proof that the 2nd poll was based on crazy blonde hate, while I have Bioware's statement that the poll was made simply because people expressed interest.  Again, anything else is speculation.

Miranda was changed because her hair didn't go with her outfit. Anyone else?  And it's still only the ME universe which has an in-game explanation for the lack of blondes (even though it's silly).  I'm still not convinced that Bioware workers are crazy blonde haters.

The fact that you have to resort to insults shows that you have little competence in debates.

OK this argument is moot.  David Silverman did state that because a LOT of people expressed a desire to see Shepard #5 with a different hair color, they were doing another poll.  NOW... that does not in any way mean that the second poll came about because of blonde hate.  Most likely anything that resembled such was ignored completely and most likely came about because a LOT of people said 'hey I like #5 but I would like to see her with brown, black, red hair instead.'

I think I said this earlier, sometimes the easiest answer is the right one.

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

I don't consider an observation made after careful consideration of the empirical evidence to be an insult.

You're either naive, or simply unable to draw connections.

That wasn't the insult. You repeatedly insult my intelligence because you can't come up with a competent argument.

You are stuck in nothing more than opinions and apparently think that everyone is prejudiced, including Bioware.  Your connections are still opinion and I'm still not seeing any fact.

I'm naive because I don't think that Bioware is just cowtowing to blonde haters with the 2nd poll? I think that you're just bitter.

[marshalleck]

Default FemShep has always been a redhead. Nothing changed.

[blacqout]

It's not moot. Though David's statement strongly implies that it wasn't BioWare's intention to hold a second poll all along (as if that wasn't obvious).

There was a lot of anti-blonde sentiment as a result of #5's victory. BioWare pandered to it and set up a second poll -- which is bad form whatever the reason. They changed the terms and rules after the contest was completed.

Modifié par blacqout, 30 août 2011 - 08:53 .

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

It's not moot. Though David's statement strongly implies that it wasn't BioWare's intention to hold a second poll all along (as if that wasn't obvious).

There was a lot of anti-blonde sentiment as a result of #5's victory. BioWare pandered to it and set up a second poll -- which is bad form whatever the reason. They changed the terms and rules after the contest was completed.

Here we go again with speculation with no fact.

It isn't even worth arguing with you, you're still going to see what you want to see because your choice didn't win.

[blacqout]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I don't consider an observation made after careful consideration of the empirical evidence to be an insult.

You're either naive, or simply unable to draw connections.

That wasn't the insult. You repeatedly insult my intelligence because you can't come up with a competent argument.

You are stuck in nothing more than opinions and apparently think that everyone is prejudiced, including Bioware.  Your connections are still opinion and I'm still not seeing any fact.

I'm naive because I don't think that Bioware is just cowtowing to blonde haters with the 2nd poll? I think that you're just bitter.

I think the problem is that my argument is a little above you.

It requires one use their own brain to interpret the evidence and course of events, and you have repeteadly expressed an unwillingness to do so; instead opting to cling to your numbers.

[blacqout]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It's not moot. Though David's statement strongly implies that it wasn't BioWare's intention to hold a second poll all along (as if that wasn't obvious).

There was a lot of anti-blonde sentiment as a result of #5's victory. BioWare pandered to it and set up a second poll -- which is bad form whatever the reason. They changed the terms and rules after the contest was completed.

Here we go again with speculation with no fact.

It isn't even worth arguing with you, you're still going to see what you want to see because your choice didn't win.

It's not speculation. A Bioware spokesman outwardly stated that they set up the second poll as a result of fan reaction.

It was never the plan all along. If it was, we would have been told we were voting on hair style and skin tone, and that a second poll would follow to determine Shepard's final appearance.

[DJRackham]