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[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I don't consider an observation made after careful consideration of the empirical evidence to be an insult.

You're either naive, or simply unable to draw connections.

That wasn't the insult. You repeatedly insult my intelligence because you can't come up with a competent argument.

You are stuck in nothing more than opinions and apparently think that everyone is prejudiced, including Bioware.  Your connections are still opinion and I'm still not seeing any fact.

I'm naive because I don't think that Bioware is just cowtowing to blonde haters with the 2nd poll? I think that you're just bitter.

I think the problem is that my argument is a little above you.

It requires one use their own brain to interpret the evidence and course of events, and you have repeteadly expressed an unwillingness to do so; instead opting to cling to your numbers.

The problem is that your argument is pure opinion.  When you have fact come talk to me as I have said again and again.  It's a simple argument that has no real basis. Again with the insults because you can't handle that.

The only thing I'm expressing is an unwillingness to say that your opinion (and I stress opinion) is fact.  I cling to fact because it's the only thing you can rely on.

Weren't you talking about being a decent person before? With all the insults to my intelligence (which also have no basis) I have to say I'm not seeing it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

That was because she was really a redhead, and thus a non-blonde blonde in the first place, and they didn't want her roots to start showing midway through the game.

[Kyria Nyriese]

blacqout wrote...

It's not moot. Though David's statement strongly implies that it wasn't BioWare's intention to hold a second poll all along (as if that wasn't obvious).

There was a lot of anti-blonde sentiment as a result of #5's victory. BioWare pandered to it and set up a second poll -- which is bad form whatever the reason. They changed the terms and rules after the contest was completed.

As has already been stated, this is your opinion on the matter.  You have no facts in which to base this opinion on.  Show me one valid fact that shows Bioware did this because of blonde hate.  The fact that there were some people spouting nonsense doesn't mean they were the ones listened too.  Especially since there were plenty more people who didn't spout nonsense and just said 'hey she's nice but I'd like her more with ...'  You would be right in stating that I have no facts either, because I don't.  I am not a Bioware employee, nor do I have access to the team to just say 'hey why did you give us a second poll'  No where are there facts to prove or disprove any arugment, except... hey look at this.. we're back at numbers again.

All honesty I could care less what default fem shep looks like.  I'm going to customize my own anyway, and I'll bet I look at the box a few times but eh... didn't have a fem shep before nice to have one now but not essential.  The fact that Bioware gave us the option to voice our opinions on the matter at all is enough for me.

Once again, not everything is a big conspiracy here.  Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.  You accuse us over under analysing things.  In my OPINION you are over analysing them.  Is one of us wrong and one of us right? /shrug it is what it is.

[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

It's not speculation. A Bioware spokesman outwardly stated that they set up the second poll as a result of fan reaction.

It was never the plan all along. If it was, we would have been told we were voting on hair style and skin tone, and that a second poll would follow to determine Shepard's final appearance.

I never said that it was planned all along, just that it could've been as far as we know.

I'm still not seeing where you get the fact that Bioware created the second poll to pander to blonde haters.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Oh and let's talk lore wise as well. Now this is something I do put a lot of weight in. Blonde is a severely recessive gene at this point in time, stated in the books so is fact as far as canon lore goes. I am a huge believer in the game developer sticking with their established lore within a game. So with that being said, blonde would be something rare to see in the ME universe. This is a fact of the lore of the game. As stated in the first novel Revelation.

They already established that blondes are a rarity, so it's not that far out that they are keeping to that.

[blacqout]

I'm quite sure that much of what Shepard has seen can be considered "a rarity", so i don't buy that argument. Blonde has always been an option in the character creation tool, and Miranda was originally touted to have fair hair.

In regards to your previous comment about my lack of "facts", i disagree there too. I might not have anything to prove that it wasn't the original plan to hold a second round of votes, but i simply don't need it.

If it was the idea to host a second round of votes to determine hair colour, we would have been told. David confirmed that the second round came about as a result of fan reaction anyway.

I may not have proof, but i have a solid interpretation of the evidence. The link between blonde shepard's poor performance in the secondary voting and the fact that far fewer people voted is a strong one, so i'm not surprised in your unwillingness to see it.

[Fata Morgana]

What I liked didn't win.

That means there is a conspiracy afoot. I just know it.

[LPPrince]

Actually, didn't one of the devs say at one point to ignore that comment about blonde rarity in the books?

[Kyria Nyriese]

Not that I've heard, however, if you have the quote I'd be happy to revise my opinion and yell at devs for messing with the Lore.

[Fata Morgana]

blacqout wrote...

former Prime Minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko.

I'm going to take a step out of crazy town (ie, this thread) to say that girlfriend has a rockin' do. I wish I knew how to make my hair do that.

Though - stepping back in to crazy town - doesn't the fact that she has dark roots and eyebrows mean he hair is dyed?  Not that there's anything wrong with that, just sayin'. If Blonde were really such a social stigma, ladies wouldn't be falling over themselves to dye their hair that color.

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[RynJ]

blacqout wrote...

I may not have proof, but i have a solid interpretation of the evidence. The link between blonde shepard's poor performance in the secondary voting and the fact that far fewer people voted is a strong one, so i'm not surprised in your unwillingness to see it.

In your opinion. Round and round we go.

The link is there in your opinion.  You're not really going anywhere you know.  The only thing we can take from blonde Shepard's poor performance is that voters didn't actually want her to be blonde.

This is a fun distraction from my work!

Modifié par RynJ, 30 août 2011 - 09:24 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

What a way to spend a Tuesday.

Arguing about something that's irrelevant to your experience with the actual game. Y'all must feel like big intellectuals.

[blacqout]

Fata Morgana wrote...

blacqout wrote...

former Prime Minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko.

I'm going to take a step out of crazy town (ie, this thread) to say that girlfriend has a rockin' do. I wish I knew how to make my hair do that.

Though - stepping back in to crazy town - doesn't the fact that she has dark roots and eyebrows mean he hair is dyed?  Not that there's anything wrong with that, just sayin'. If Blonde were really such a social stigma, ladies wouldn't be falling over themselves to dye their hair that color.

That's her natural hair colour as far as i'm aware.

It's not a social stigma here in the civilised part of the world (Europe) but that doesn't appear to be the case in the USA. They're socially quite backwards in comparrison.

[blacqout]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

What a way to spend a Tuesday.

Arguing about something that's irrelevant to your experience with the actual game. Y'all must feel like big intellectuals.

What can i say... i'm a great guy.

A gentleman and a philanthropist, and i can't let this misogyny go unchecked.

[blacqout]

RynJ wrote...

blacqout wrote...

I may not have proof, but i have a solid interpretation of the evidence. The link between blonde shepard's poor performance in the secondary voting and the fact that far fewer people voted is a strong one, so i'm not surprised in your unwillingness to see it.

In your opinion. Round and round we go.

The link is there in your opinion.  You're not really going anywhere you know.  The only thing we can take from blonde Shepard's poor performance is that voters didn't actually want her to be blonde.

This is a fun distraction from my work!

The links are there, miss.

Though i'll take this opportunity to apologise if anything i said was insulting.

[Fata Morgana]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

What a way to spend a Tuesday.

Arguing about something that's irrelevant to your experience with the actual game. Y'all must feel like big intellectuals.

Well I'm kinda in the same boat RynJ is, though - I'm at work, on the phone with another department waiting for them to fix my issue, and bored. I can understand trying to reason with crazy conspiracy theorists just to stave off boredom. There's only so often I can visit my favorite blogs to find out if they've updated.

[Fata Morgana]

blacqout wrote...

That's her natural hair colour as far as i'm aware.

Well you have no way of knowing for sure either way, do you?

It's not a social stigma here in the civilised part of the world (Europe) but that doesn't appear to be the case in the USA. They're socially quite backwards in comparrison.

Except that no one dyes their hair blonde more than Americans do? Look at Madonna, look at Christina Aguilera. Dying your hair blonde is practically a national pastime over here.

I'd probably dye  my hair blonde myself, except I fear my Italian features would clash too much.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

blacqout wrote...


A gentleman and a philanthropist, and i can't let this misogyny go unchecked.

But conspiracy theories and arguing without fact is fair game.

[blacqout]

Fata Morgana wrote...

blacqout wrote...

That's her natural hair colour as far as i'm aware.

Well you have no way of knowing for sure either way, do you?

It's not a social stigma here in the civilised part of the world (Europe) but that doesn't appear to be the case in the USA. They're socially quite backwards in comparrison.

Except that no one dyes their hair blonde more than Americans do? Look at Madonna, look at Christina Aguilera. Dying your hair blonde is practically a national pastime over here.

I'd probably dye  my hair blonde myself, except I fear my Italian features would clash too much.

Her natural hair colour is a sort of dark blonde.

Are any of those women known for their brains? The majority of Barbie comments in regards to the blonde Shepard seemed to emanate from across the Atlantic. 

[LPPrince]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Not that I've heard, however, if you have the quote I'd be happy to revise my opinion and yell at devs for messing with the Lore.

Sorry, I don't have the quote. All I remember(and do note that I could be VERY wrong) is something like "Oh, that was a mishap that doesn't really make too much sense, so ignore it".

I could be way off or imagining things.

[blacqout]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

blacqout wrote...


A gentleman and a philanthropist, and i can't let this misogyny go unchecked.

But conspiracy theories and arguing without fact is fair game.

Sometimes in life, you need to read between the lines and draw your own conclusions.

That the first round of voting was the only one we were informed of is a fact. We had no reason to believe that when #5 won she would later be changed .

That the second round of voting was preceded by copious amounts of misogynistic garbage on these very forums is also a fact.

That significantly fewer people voted in the second poll is yet another fact.

That Miranda was originally supposed to be blonde is a fact.

[Texhnolyze101]

Does anyone know how to get in touch with a mod or dev? the OP stated he doesn't use femshep anyway so this this thread is pointless and needs to be locked.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 30 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[BBK4114]

 Eh, I'm going to play with imported Sheps anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me. I'm a brunette irl so I play as blondes sometimes, and redheads too,  but ME's blonde colorings were stink-o, LOL.  

Still I wish they would let you use the hairstyle on your own Shepard, or at least use the others up for voting as custom choices.  Anything but "plastic helmet hair" to be honest would be a note-worthy change!

I really, really, hated the face of the default F!Hawke but thought the hair rocked. Thank the Maker for modders so I can use that hair on someone who has lips. 

Modifié par BBK4114, 30 août 2011 - 10:00 .