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[xkg]

hey jbrand2002uk or maybe you clould stop b!tching already huh ?
We are here to talk about games not about other people's complaints.

Your advice "don't like it - don't buy it and stop posting" works both ways.
So here I have an advice for you : You don't like this forum - stop reading it and stop complaining about the others. It is soooo simple.

Cya.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

My point really was simple, if you prefere DA0 over DA2 then that fine just go and play DAO and quit whinging about DA2 until i started having large armounts of insults directed at me both on here youtube and elsewhere purley because my 1st post simply said :just played DA2 and its legacy content and enjoyed it more than i did origins.

Well the thing is.... this thread is asking for opinion for the next chapter in DA 2 and not about your abused post in youtube, here and elsewhere.

You're off topic.

jbrand2002uk wrote...
if you really dont like DA2 then do the sensible thing and email Bioware with your concerns instead of going around mudslinging on forums and if you dont like that an occasional player of DA2 tells you shut up and take your negativity elsewhere then all i can say is if you dont like heat then dont light the darn fire in the first place, i for example do not go on the Origins forums and start a mud slinging war just because i was disapointed with the game

If you really want to complaint about other people complaints, then do the sensible thing and open a new thread. Rage all you want there instead of hijacking other people thread. If the mod don't lock it right a way, perhaps you get many response from DAO fans.

jbrand2002uk wrote...
And just incase someone decides to be silly enough to argue said point open your eyes use them and the brain thats supposed to be behind them this is a DRAGON AGE 2 forum and in my vast experiance never have a seen a bunch of fans of one game be so abusive as origins fans have been,
just for once in your lives use common sense and dont go spouting opinions about a game as fact when you clearly havent played the game to its full extent because untill you play both games in their entirety as i have your not qualified to offer an opinion now if you have played both in their entireity and still think origins is a better games with all its bugs and crashes then fine i dont agree with you but thats you choice just dont go starting mudslinging at people who happen to diagree with you

Perhaps you didn't notice that people are criticizing DA 2. Where else do you expect them to post? In DAO section? 

Stop hijacking other people thread. Open your thread and see if it's last long. Until then, we have nothing to discuss.

[jbrand2002uk]

xkg wrote...

hey jbrand2002uk or maybe you clould stop b!tching already huh ?
We are here to talk about games not about other people's complaints.

Your advice "don't like it - don't buy it and stop posting" works both ways.
So here I have an advice for you : You don't like this forum - stop reading it and stop complaining about the others. It is soooo simple.

Cya.

Do i go in DAO forums and start ****ing about how i loved DA2 but why is DAO sooo boring ? no i dont do you see DA2 players spamming DAO forums with nothing but negativity? no thats because they dont, Was it DA2 players and fans who started this name calling and mudslinging on here and Youtube months ago ? again no it wasnt 
at least DA2 fans who have any gripes about Origins or DA2 express them they way it should be done by emailing customer services with their complaint and quite frankly anyone who supports what is the most proliffent group of whingers in the history of videogaming does not have one leg to stand on in order to lecture me about ****ing 
Again if DAO fans dont like they occasional DA2 fan given them a taste of their own medicine well then they should start it should they.
but as varric says to carver :-" The point, you , missing it" 

[jbrand2002uk]

the thread itself is pointless how can he/she have actually tried to love this game if they have on got as far ss act 2 thats not even trying at all finish the game in its entirity then **** about but not before

[FieryDove]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Do i go in DAO forums and start ****ing about how i loved DA2 but why is DAO sooo boring ?

I don't know do you? Wait I don't care.

Masked profanity is not allowed and neither is constant trolling of people. Complaining about complaining is pointless and also frowned upon here.

Have a nice day.

[jbrand2002uk]

maybe you should try asking someone how they can start a thread claiming they have really tried to love the game when they have only played half of it .
and yes i'm having a great day

[Reno_Tarshil]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

maybe you should try asking someone how they can start a thread claiming they have really tried to love the game when they have only played half of it .
and yes i'm having a great day

Can you please stop, you're not helping the Pro DA2 cause.

[DraCZeQQ]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

maybe you should try asking someone how they can start a thread claiming they have really tried to love the game when they have only played half of it .

Its pretty obvious by now, that this concepts is really hard for you to grasp ... maybe it's time to stop trying?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

maybe you should try asking someone how they can start a thread claiming they have really tried to love the game when they have only played half of it .
and yes i'm having a great day

Because the OP tried to love the game, he's asking for opinion by doing the sensible thing that is to open his own thread and people are helping him so far. Otherwise, he would have just stop playing and ignore the forum.

You are not doing the sensible thing by complaining other people complaints. So open your thread and we'll see how long it can last.

[jbrand2002uk]

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

Modifié par jbrand2002uk, 02 septembre 2011 - 10:57 .

[DraCZeQQ]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

So now are DA2 fans a discriminated minority? And you are also implying that DAO fans are insane? 

[TobiTobsen]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

So now are DA2 fans a discriminated minority? And you are also implying that DAO fans are insane? 

He could blow up the BioWare Servers. There can be no compromise!!

[Reno_Tarshil]

LOL I'm a minority now..

[Sacred_Fantasy]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

Well.. you should feel lucky because BioWare favor you more. We all know, they're not going to move to silent protagonist and they will retain DA 2 art style. In fact I have a feeling they will likely forced us to play Hawke once again if some people don't hate Hawke enough. Please don't feel shy. BioWare need your voice to balance out DAO fans. Since majority of DAO fans already left the forum, I think it's much easier for DA 2 fans to come up with something, a compromise or reasoning or whatever, i don't know,  just to narrow down the polarization.

[jbrand2002uk]

LOL tobitobsten nah not all DAO fans are insane but in 24yrs of gaming since getting a brand new Commodore amiga 500 when i was 5yrs old never have i seen such hatred towards fans of a sequel by fans of the original( apaarently by liking DA2 we have sold our souls to the EA corpate devil) which sounds about as sane as a man in a padded cell wearing 2 straight jackets lol.
and Comrad Reno alas since origins has sold more copies then DA2 unless the Devs manage to pull off a miracle and make a DA3 that both camps like sadly it'll always be a "them and us" if all the DAO players that hate DA2 stood on the surface of the moon pointing towards earth and hated at the same moment that wave of hatred would reduce the earth to dust instantly lol

venture outside the Bioware forums to places like youtube etc and you'll see what i mean .
but the majority of DAO players are like Hawke summed up the Arishok to the Viscount:
"If you gave him gold he'd complain that its heavy"
its funny seeing them constantly complain in someways reminds me of my mother allways moaning about something lol

[DraCZeQQ]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

LOL tobitobsten nah not all DAO fans are insane but in 24yrs of gaming since getting a brand new Commodore amiga 500 when i was 5yrs old never have i seen such hatred towards fans of a sequel by fans of the original( apaarently by liking DA2 we have sold our souls to the EA corpate devil) which sounds about as sane as a man in a padded cell wearing 2 straight jackets lol.
and Comrad Reno alas since origins has sold more copies then DA2 unless the Devs manage to pull off a miracle and make a DA3 that both camps like sadly it'll always be a "them and us" if all the DAO players that hate DA2 stood on the surface of the moon pointing towards earth and hated at the same moment that wave of hatred would reduce the earth to dust instantly lol

venture outside the Bioware forums to places like youtube etc and you'll see what i mean .
but the majority of DAO players are like Hawke summed up the Arishok to the Viscount:
"If you gave him gold he'd complain that its heavy"
its funny seeing them constantly complain in someways reminds me of my mother allways moaning about something lol

So as a self appoined expert on games and everything based on a fact that you got an Commodore at the age of 5, you are trying to imply that DAO fans complains are not based on actuall flaws of the DA2 but they just do it for the hell of it? Thats your ultimate answer as an expert?

[jbrand2002uk]

Your right on that account Sacred_Fantasy there where some things in origins i like more than DA2 for example the bigger levels, multiple cities better character choice etc and yes there were some things in DA2 that annoyed me but overall i thought it was a step in the right direction at least with the pacing of the combat though at times i admit it was a little too fast i had suggested a compromise in another thread of maybe a voice tone changer similar to say the tiger woods games so the voice can be more in tune with you individual character whether they be elf,human qunari etc.

You proberly allready knew this but in my case i used the high res texture pack which improved the visuals greatly and the nexus site has many files allowing you to alter DA2 more to your liking i would recommend the Dragon age 2 redesigned file which makes a whole raft of changes to the characters, the city and the enviroment and the site has the full support of Bioware at the moment.

[dheer]

jbrand2002uk wrote...
venture outside the Bioware forums to places like youtube etc and you'll see what i mean .

So it goes to places like youtube for comments....

It all makes sense now.

[jbrand2002uk]

DraCZeQQ wrote...
So as a self appoined expert on games and everything based on a fact that you got an Commodore at the age of 5, you are trying to imply that DAO fans complains are not based on actuall flaws of the DA2 but they just do it for the hell of it? Thats your ultimate answer as an expert?

 1st of all i never said i was an expert simply that i have played more games over a longer period of time than most of the people who have nothing but negative comments to say about DA2 and tbh alot of pro DAO think that anyone who likes DA2 in the slightest has no idea what an RPG is purely because the dont agree with the hardcore DAO supporters. 

Whichever way you slice it the RPG has always been a niche market sector now when origins was released yes it sold well and yes it won awards at the time because at the time there wasnt much else you could directly compare it to apart from maybe The Witcher 1 no I'm sure if Bioware had total control yes they would listen to all the existing Fanbase of both games, But at the same time alot of you forget that its EA thats the big dog here they're the ones paying the wages and its them who have the final say on the direction of a game and EA have never been a company that focuses on one section of gamers no matter how big or small , tempory or loyal they are a mass market publisher who make games that always cover more than one genre and thats the way they'll allways be.

Now in alot of cases i agree with alot of DAO fans about some of the criticisms leveled at DA2 , but for them same people to say things like "The whole DA2 dev team should be fired" or that "peoplle who like DA2 have sold their soul to the EA Corparate devil" is out of order to demand a whole Dev team be fired just because you dont agree with their interpretation is lunacy, by all means suggest improvements for DA2 but for heavens sake come up with something a bit more creative than just make it more like DAO  

[jbrand2002uk]

dheer wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...
venture outside the Bioware forums to places like youtube etc and you'll see what i mean .

So it goes to places like youtube for comments....

It all makes sense now.

 This is exactly the kind of attitude i have been posting about........ ok Dheer so you like DAO over DA2 thats fine whatever kink floats your boat but to refer to another gamer as it shows the mindset of large numbers of DAO fans
....... they treat people who enjoy DA2 as subhuman purely because we disagree with them 

[billy the squid]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

The fact still remains that most of those posting on here that they hate DA2 and see it as inferior to origins have either never played it or did play DA2 but had allready decided beforehand that they will hate it regardless these facts are obvious because they claim to have played both games fault everything in DA2 while claiming that origins was perfect or amazing.

Now in my case i played origins when it came out and played it thouroughly because you can only judge a game as a sum of its parts what your suggesting is acceptable would be the equivalent of judging a whole game based on a early beta test release which is STUPID ! full stop .
it would be like me judging how quick you car accelerates when the engine isnt even in the dam car.

Then when DA2 came out i played it through start to finish made a observation and re-evaluated it as new content and DLC came available which is the approach of a sensible who knows from 24yrs of experiance the difference between a shovel and a poopascoop and are you seriously going to sit there and say that someone who can play DAO and all its content which means a single playthrough can reach upwards of 200hrs cant manage a meere 60-80hrs to do a solid single run through of DA2 and all its content ?

The simple fact is that anyone who has enough time to do multiple playthroughs of origins
has enough time and patience to do one solid complete playthrough of DA2 and if they cant manage that wel then frankly RPG's are not for them.
As to DAO fans being selfish its clear they are if they dont like DA2 and are allready complaining that they wont buy DA3 if it contains and elements of DA2 then thats fine go away because as i have allready said there are at least 20 other RPG's out their to suit them.

And if they bought DA2 when it was made clear well before launch that it was nothing like origins well then more fool them for buying it.the facts are casual gamers make up the biggest sector of the video games players RPG's have always been a niche market since time began and regardless of sales figures origins fans would be fools if they thought that EA who holds the reigns are going to trade in a potential market of hundreds of millions of casual gamers for a couple of million dedicated RPG players who only play that genre of game then they are sadly mistaken.
Deny it all you like but as the old saying goes "Money makes the world go round" and thats all EA cares about money money money.

Regardless i will be buying and pre-ordering DA3 when it is released even though origins was a let down and it will be played with an open mind and no pre conceptions of expectations based on pre-ceeding games

Again with the unknowable truths, when in doubt make tinfoil hat claims, seems to be the underlying premise of your entire first paragraph, the petty equivalent of Mcarthyism.

Whilst forcing oneself through an entire game despite, yourself confessed lack of time, is what everyone should do, even if the game after 15 hours has not captured their interest whatsoever, is not stupid in the slightest. When such opinions are unlikely to change by the midway point of the game. Considering many people will play it through once and never touch it again, £40 is more than enough to consider using a demo or renting, re selling rather than bashing one's head against a proverbial brick wall by playing any game which is disliked to completion.

Again, why would someone repurchase DLC from the original product when the opinion of the said item was so low? How you have come to the conclusion that individuals need 24 years experience to come to a conclusion on a game boggles the mind, whilst some people have played DAO for a huge amount of time, far, far more than myself, because it appeals and interests them. Why would those same people waste 30 odd hours repeatedly playing a DA2 from different perspectives and wasting more money on further products if it was considered a waste of time and money in the first place by those people. It is a completely arbitrary line of thinking, when the predisposition for purchasing such products is for enjoyment, not enforced critical evaluation.

Again with the facts, when you don't know information it does not mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fantasy you want. It remains typical fallback position when there is no reasoned logic behind one's points. As I stated, how have you come to this conclusion that everyone who criticises DA2 has not purchased or completed the game, remains utterly arbitrary, or is 24 years experience playing a game a prerequisite for knowing the minds of individuals.

Oh, really? it was made clear that that the game would be a significant divergence from the original. Despite the statements that the game would remain tactical and strategic as per origins, but improve on it. Unfortunately, the casual market is already intesively competative and largely oversaturated by large names and IP's, look at the economics of the situation. It is an issue of opportunity cost, cost to potential earnings ratio, risk analysis, relavent  market, market shares, competition, viability, stable and transitory consumer base, penetration potential and understanding the shifting nature of one's own market. If you think short term profit is the be all end and end all of a business or marketing model, then you are seriously mistaken, as EA only earns a profit should its plans succeed, or do all businesses push into a oversaturated over competative market?  Or the he potential millions which will never touch the game in the first place as it is not the relavent market. Your simple statements don't capture the larger scope or context of the commercial sector.

So, one should take everything in isolation? Oh dear, this is the same excuse as judge it on its own merits. Essentially don't have an expectation, go in blind, waste money on a product you are unsure of, don't compare it to anything remotely competative so you don't feel that pang of buyer's remorse. Great plan, the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand, you seem to have done so effectively.

Modifié par billy the squid, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:13 .

[xkg]

ok jbrand2002uk - just one question, please:
Are you going to stop derailing this thread ?

Simple "yes"/"no" will be enough

[dheer]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

dheer wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...
venture outside the Bioware forums to places like youtube etc and you'll see what i mean .

So it goes to places like youtube for comments....

It all makes sense now.

 This is exactly the kind of attitude i have been posting about........ ok Dheer so you like DAO over DA2 thats fine whatever kink floats your boat but to refer to another gamer as it shows the mindset of large numbers of DAO fans
....... they treat people who enjoy DA2 as subhuman purely because we disagree with them 

I said nothing about liking any DA game over another just that you like to go to youtube to read comments. Stop trying to read more into what is there.

[jbrand2002uk]

It is well known that any game any genre comes with that oldest of factors hype all companys know hype is what determines the inital sales figures withing the first 24hrs and beyond to about a week or 2 after that most sales are dont by word of mouth between existing owners and their social circles,
So just like polictical parties the world over Developers and Publishers have their own publicity departments that put out as much positive hype as possible through beta tests part finished code sent to magazines for review or preview, trailers and interviews with the exisisting fanbase and journalistsand in the now well developed gamescom E3 and its ilk, now yrs of gaming experiance aside only a complete and utter fool would take all annoucements made by the Developers and Publishers as fact.
Do you believe every word a politician says ? No why? because good old common sense says that ofcourse not everything they say is true after all its in there own interests to appeal to as many people as possible Publishers like EA are no different its in their own interests to do this.

[Wintersembrace]

well to the op if you did not like act2 there not much chance you will like act3 as for my opinion DA2 makes a expensive drink coaster not worth the money i spent on pre ordering it