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[furryrage59]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

It is well known that any game any genre comes with that oldest of factors hype all companys know hype is what determines the inital sales figures withing the first 24hrs and beyond to about a week or 2 after that most sales are dont by word of mouth between existing owners and their social circles,
So just like polictical parties the world over Developers and Publishers have their own publicity departments that put out as much positive hype as possible through beta tests part finished code sent to magazines for review or preview, trailers and interviews with the exisisting fanbase and journalistsand in the now well developed gamescom E3 and its ilk, now yrs of gaming experiance aside only a complete and utter fool would take all annoucements made by the Developers and Publishers as fact.
Do you believe every word a politician says ? No why? because good old common sense says that ofcourse not everything they say is true after all its in there own interests to appeal to as many people as possible Publishers like EA are no different its in their own interests to do this.

Do yourself a favour and stop posting friend.

You sound over emotional and desperately constructing strawmen left and right. Some people will like it, some will not but screaming that people who do not like it for very good reason are insane or whatever else you were saying is painfully ignorant.

The game has a vast amount of flaws and if the guy isn't interested yet, who are you to shout and stamp your feet that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

What exactly makes you an expert on this area that dismisses everyone elses opinion?

Modifié par furryrage59, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:54 .

[Gotholhorakh]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

thank Range Rover couldnt have put it better myself, me personally i have a wife 2 young kids and both me and my wife work, me full time my wife part time i also happen to be mostly confined to a wheelchair due to nerve damage from a car accident so as you can proberly guess i dont get much spare time.While others situations arnt as extreme as mine nevertheless most people dont have 100hrs plus to do a single character playthrough let alone multiple playthroughs now a game like origins may well be ok for a teenager who's only concern is getting his homework in on time or a Uni student on some pointless course like Politics which proberly describers most of the angry ranters on here who hate anyone who even played DA2 for a split second with a vengance.

What nonsense!

Let's examine this myth for me and my friends. To demonstrate the level of spare time I'm talking about: I have 3 kids + partner + dog + extended family who need full time care, and work effectively 2 jobs (one full-time professional employment, the other being my own business) as the sole breadwinner in the household.

That means I get about 10-20 minutes at a time to play games, if that. I have various games on the shelf in their shrink wrap I have never had time to play. I took 2 days of annual leave (the first time in about 5 years) for the release of DA2 and had as much time as I wanted to play it - which I did with a girlfriend of mine. The other people I know who play cRPGs are largely employed adults, too. Some of them have families, so like me, most games they buy stay shrink wrapped for months/years/ever. Except for one of them, the ones who play DA are in broad terms in agreement with me, seeing DA2's direction as firmly down the toilet, and it ain't because they're so swamped with spare time.

DA:O was fine for short stint gaming, there was literally nothing that caused lack of time to be a problem - you can pause and save at every point and there was a strong enough story for you to remember from one sesion to the next. The Metroid games (which have checkpoints) are literally harder for a working parent to progress through than DA:O.

DA2 is not suffering from the backlash of some mythical group of feckless, workless full-time gamers. The same people bought and played both games.

Sorry, as someone who falls exactly into the bracket of people "without time to play for 100 hours at a stretch" it just isn't very much fun and the "main story arc", ahaha, is more of a sort of story cliff that suddenly drops off. Stargate Universe had a more satisfactory conclusion.

(explanation of how people dislike DA2 because of the unemployed and uni students with nothing better to do)

Look.. you can spend all day grasping at this straw or that. It's confirmation bias, it's fear of change, it's trolls, it's stupid people, owait, it's the unemployed and "uni students with nothing better to do".

I don't know whether you blamed it on single mothers or cosmic rays yet, doubtless they'll feature in a future post if not.

The simplest explanation of course would be that if even the fans of the franchise don't like it, and it seems like it hasn't achieved any growth to speak of (unscientific handwave)... it just isn't very good.

It couldn't be that though, right?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[jbrand2002uk]

me a feet stamper lol.....please i have said in previous posts that if someone likes Origins over DA2 having played both then thats fine its their choice, but dont go rubbishing DA2 because the bar and expectation was raised by foolishy swallowing all the pre release hype more DAO fans might have enjoyed DA2 if the pre-release hype hadnt led them to believe that DA2 was a full fledged sequel either way both sides are guilty of over inflated emotional attachment to either game though most DA2 fans are more reserved.

my comment as to the pointlessness of the thread title has but 1 point.
Lets assume for a second that you like apple pie, now a cooked apple pie is put on the table infront of you, it looks golden with the exception that some parts appear burnt/black.
Are you going to assume its going to be horrible and walk away or are you going to at least give the cook the benefit of the doubt and try it then form an opinion.
if a person plays the game throguh and decides that he or she doesnt like it then fair enough but dont make an amatuer mistake of only playing the first half and using it to make an assumption as to what the other half is like, its just plain daft thats all i'm saying now if people find that a common sense approach like that is insulting well then thats their problem not mine for being offended

[FaWa]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

me a feet stamper lol.....please i have said in previous posts that if someone likes Origins over DA2 having played both then thats fine its their choice, but dont go rubbishing DA2 because the bar and expectation was raised by foolishy swallowing all the pre release hype more DAO fans might have enjoyed DA2 if the pre-release hype hadnt led them to believe that DA2 was a full fledged sequel either way both sides are guilty of over inflated emotional attachment to either game though most DA2 fans are more reserved.

my comment as to the pointlessness of the thread title has but 1 point.
Lets assume for a second that you like apple pie, now a cooked apple pie is put on the table infront of you, it looks golden with the exception that some parts appear burnt/black.
Are you going to assume its going to be horrible and walk away or are you going to at least give the cook the benefit of the doubt and try it then form an opinion.
if a person plays the game throguh and decides that he or she doesnt like it then fair enough but dont make an amatuer mistake of only playing the first half and using it to make an assumption as to what the other half is like, its just plain daft thats all i'm saying now if people find that a common sense approach like that is insulting well then thats their problem not mine for being offended

Who here, other then the OP, said they didn't play through all of DA2?

I mean I stopped mid-act 3 because the game became boring to play. (As if acts 1 and 2 werent boring enough) so if they can't even get the finale right, theres no point in even trying anymore. 

[billy the squid]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

It is well known that any game any genre comes with that oldest of factors hype all companys know hype is what determines the inital sales figures withing the first 24hrs and beyond to about a week or 2 after that most sales are dont by word of mouth between existing owners and their social circles.

So just like polictical parties the world over Developers and Publishers have their own publicity departments that put out as much positive hype as possible through beta tests part finished code sent to magazines for review or preview, trailers and interviews with the exisisting fanbase and journalistsand in the now well developed gamescom E3 and its ilk, now yrs of gaming experiance aside only a complete and utter fool would take all annoucements made by the Developers and Publishers as fact.

Do you believe every word a politician says ? No why? because good old common sense says that ofcourse not everything they say is true after all its in there own interests to appeal to as many people as possible Publishers like EA are no different its in their own interests to do this.

I take it you ignored the list of other factors involved in marketing, socio economics, economics and business administration that I pointed to. Look at product life cycles and IP Equity, it is benefital that any similar product improves or relies upon the core comptencies which made its predecessor so popular, releasing a named sequal creates the expectation that it will be a similar, or the penetration gained in the inital release is wasted, as per Dragon Age 2.

Did, individuals expect exactly the same? At no point was this esposoused by the vast majority of critics, but it makes sense that a self confessed sequal would at least retain the core selling points of the predecessor. But I take it you continue to subscribe to the abitrary bury one's head in the sand approach when it comes to purchasing items. Oh, dear, again with the greater appeal. It is irrelevant if it fails, paticularly if the IP is going to get stamped on hard, by the competition, which is why there exist market segments not some great homogenous mass to sell things to, I have explained this already, things are not as simple as selling to the largest market possible, regardless of the reality of the situation. Based on DA2's reception and performance, I don't think the mass appeal idea worked out as well as was hoped.

[Gotholhorakh]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

me a feet stamper lol.....please i have said in previous posts that if someone likes Origins over DA2 having played both then thats fine its their choice, but dont go rubbishing DA2 because the bar and expectation was raised by foolishy swallowing all the pre release hype more DAO fans might have enjoyed DA2 if the pre-release hype hadnt led them to believe that DA2 was a full fledged sequel either way both sides are guilty of over inflated emotional attachment to either game though most DA2 fans are more reserved.

This paragraph, and the argument in it are seen again and again on these forums and in press interviews, give or take some more diplomatic language.

What it amounts to is that trusting the developer and being emotionally invested in the product (and even thinking Dragon Age 2, would be a sequel!!) make the paying customer an idiot.

You stick to that viewpoint if you like. It's repugnant and wrong, which is why people react so badly to it whenever it is wheeled out by you, occasional BioWare employees in interviews, and up to about 10 forum users we could all name (and as far as anyone knows, nobody else on the planet). 

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

Is that really true? As far as I can see there has been a protracted game of whack-a-mole happening since day one, and new people who dislike the game and come to raise their concerns are chargrilled.

Indeed, it feels like there's an atmosphere where it's seen as morally wrong to come and give negative feedback, if you can imagine such a thing.

Perhaps my perception of it is skewed by my own bias, we're all guilty of that sometimes, yes I must be because it seems like while there are persistent posters on both sides, there have also been thousands of people who joined to give their negative feedback on the direction DA2 has taken, and it seems like they're "tackled" by the same handful of posters again and again and again.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[jbrand2002uk]

Well while i can see your point i guess thats why players like me are called completionists, i felt exactly the same way about origins as you did about DA2 by 40% through the game, but in fairness to all the coders and staff that gave up alot of their time to make the game i decided to muster on and finish it because even if it doesnt improve at least i found it out for myself rather than letting other people decide for me because if we allow other people's perceptions to put us off something then we as a species are no better then the other animals at the zoo

[Gotholhorakh]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Well while i can see your point i guess thats why players like me are called completionists, i felt exactly the same way about origins as you did about DA2 by 40% through the game, but in fairness to all the coders and staff that gave up alot of their time to make the game i decided to muster on and finish it because even if it doesnt improve at least i found it out for myself rather than letting other people decide for me because if we allow other people's perceptions to put us off something then we as a species are no better then the other animals at the zoo

Oh, so it can be played in short stints by people with no spare time, then.

Yes, completionist, I did the same with DA2. Thoroughly miserable experience, I can relate.

You know, if anything, aren't you even sillier for buying the sequel than the rest of us, if you hated the first game?
 

On the matter of making up one's own mind, well I thoroughly agree, but you seem to have a strange conversational style here, of being incendiary and contradicting yourself from one post to the next...

...then posting platitudes nobody could really disagree with.

I think I'll agree with this, your latest post, as having laudible sentiments, and leave it there. 

[jbrand2002uk]

well i guess being in a wheelchair with a purple mowhawk complete with with dragon grim reaper and skeletal tattoo's i really am and odd chap rofl on feeling sily for buying DA2 i dont really minor niggles aside i generally enjoyed the game and am glad my own experience of Origins didnt put me off playing DA2 otherwise i would have never experienced laughing so hard my ribs ached when finding out the name of the golem in the Black emporium:-
Thaddeus Giagantus Crumbum the 3rd

[Elhanan]

There are those that dislike DA2, and little can be said to alter their opinions. Same goes for some of those that like the game.

Now if the Player has already completed Act 2, and is not enjoying the story, they could quit, and simply rely on other opinions whether to finish. But at this point, the majority of the game is already over, so I recommend sticking it out to the end as to develop an informed opinion of their own. And I also recommend Legacy, as an additive that seems to deliver extra milage to replay value.

[erynnar]

Elhanan wrote...

There are those that dislike DA2, and little can be said to alter their opinions. Same goes for some of those that like the game.

Now if the Player has already completed Act 2, and is not enjoying the story, they could quit, and simply rely on other opinions whether to finish. But at this point, the majority of the game is already over, so I recommend sticking it out to the end as to develop an informed opinion of their own. And I also recommend Legacy, as an additive that seems to deliver extra milage to replay value.

Same here El. OP, El has good advice. I said before, you've come this far why not finish, then try Legacy (which I enjoyed immensly and you may too).

Modifié par erynnar, 02 septembre 2011 - 02:39 .

[fightright2]

@OP
I'd say stick it out and play it through it's entirety. Then if they like, get Legacy. It really plays better with it.
Then come back and voice what your thoughts were and give feedback as requested for DA3.

Not to mention, your feedback would be even more valuable after playing it entirely through.

Modifié par fightright2, 02 septembre 2011 - 02:48 .

[Melca36]

billy the squid wrote...




I take it you ignored the list of other factors involved in marketing, socio economics, economics and business administration that I pointed to. Look at product life cycles and IP Equity, it is benefital that any similar product improves or relies upon the core comptencies which made its predecessor so popular, releasing a named sequal creates the expectation that it will be a similar, or the penetration gained in the inital release is wasted, as per Dragon Age 2.

Did, individuals expect exactly the same? At no point was this esposoused by the vast majority of critics, but it makes sense that a self confessed sequal would at least retain the core selling points of the predecessor. But I take it you continue to subscribe to the abitrary bury one's head in the sand approach when it comes to purchasing items. Oh, dear, again with the greater appeal. It is irrelevant if it fails, paticularly if the IP is going to get stamped on hard, by the competition, which is why there exist market segments not some great homogenous mass to sell things to, I have explained this already, things are not as simple as selling to the largest market possible, regardless of the reality of the situation. Based on DA2's reception and performance, I don't think the mass appeal idea worked out as well as was hoped.

I think what jbrand2002uk fails to see that if the game had been more successful than it currently is, the developers would not have been seeking feedback the way they currently are and they would not have acknowledged the missteps made with DA: 2

I think he should google Dragon Age to catch up on all the interviews.

Legacy would not have been a step in the right direction had it not been for that feedback.

And I suspect jbrand2002uk will be the first one to raise a stink when DA:3 has a bit more elements from Origins.

Modifié par Melca36, 02 septembre 2011 - 03:15 .

[erynnar]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

me a feet stamper lol.....please i have said in previous posts that if someone likes Origins over DA2 having played both then thats fine its their choice, but dont go rubbishing DA2 because the bar and expectation was raised by foolishy swallowing all the pre release hype more DAO fans might have enjoyed DA2 if the pre-release hype hadnt led them to believe that DA2 was a full fledged sequel either way both sides are guilty of over inflated emotional attachment to either game though most DA2 fans are more reserved.

This paragraph, and the argument in it are seen again and again on these forums and in press interviews, give or take some more diplomatic language.

What it amounts to is that trusting the developer and being emotionally invested in the product (and even thinking Dragon Age 2, would be a sequel!!) make the paying customer an idiot.

You stick to that viewpoint if you like. It's repugnant and wrong, which is why people react so badly to it whenever it is wheeled out by you, occasional BioWare employees in interviews, and up to about 10 forum users we could all name (and as far as anyone knows, nobody else on the planet). 

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

Is that really true? As far as I can see there has been a protracted game of whack-a-mole happening since day one, and new people who dislike the game and come to raise their concerns are chargrilled.

Indeed, it feels like there's an atmosphere where it's seen as morally wrong to come and give negative feedback, if you can imagine such a thing.

Perhaps my perception of it is skewed by my own bias, we're all guilty of that sometimes, yes I must be because it seems like while there are persistent posters on both sides, there have also been thousands of people who joined to give their negative feedback on the direction DA2 has taken, and it seems like they're "tackled" by the same handful of posters again and again and again.

Oh I've gotten the impression of it being morally wrong to not like DA2. Called cry babies, needing a nanny, told if I don't like it why don't I just shut up and go away. I gues I don't for the same reason I support people who do like it...it's an opinion and people have the right to have one and express it as often as they like. I love talking to everyone here.

[Melca36]

erynnar wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

me a feet stamper lol.....please i have said in previous posts that if someone likes Origins over DA2 having played both then thats fine its their choice, but dont go rubbishing DA2 because the bar and expectation was raised by foolishy swallowing all the pre release hype more DAO fans might have enjoyed DA2 if the pre-release hype hadnt led them to believe that DA2 was a full fledged sequel either way both sides are guilty of over inflated emotional attachment to either game though most DA2 fans are more reserved.

This paragraph, and the argument in it are seen again and again on these forums and in press interviews, give or take some more diplomatic language.

What it amounts to is that trusting the developer and being emotionally invested in the product (and even thinking Dragon Age 2, would be a sequel!!) make the paying customer an idiot.

You stick to that viewpoint if you like. It's repugnant and wrong, which is why people react so badly to it whenever it is wheeled out by you, occasional BioWare employees in interviews, and up to about 10 forum users we could all name (and as far as anyone knows, nobody else on the planet). 

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Reno your proberly right not that it would make any difference since as most people who like DA2 including me are chased and hounded out of every forum and channel by the mass surge of pro DAO seems like the forums are even bias'd towards origin fans as they can swear an abuse all day long without any action being taken yet as soon as a DA2 so much as sneezes they are chased out and hounded but i guess thats they price of being in the sane minority

Is that really true? As far as I can see there has been a protracted game of whack-a-mole happening since day one, and new people who dislike the game and come to raise their concerns are chargrilled.

Indeed, it feels like there's an atmosphere where it's seen as morally wrong to come and give negative feedback, if you can imagine such a thing.

Perhaps my perception of it is skewed by my own bias, we're all guilty of that sometimes, yes I must be because it seems like while there are persistent posters on both sides, there have also been thousands of people who joined to give their negative feedback on the direction DA2 has taken, and it seems like they're "tackled" by the same handful of posters again and again and again.

Oh I've gotten the impression of it being morally wrong to not like DA2. Called cry babies, needing a nanny, told if I don't like it why don't I just shut up and go away. I gues I don't for the same reason I support people who do like it...it's an opinion and people have the right to have one and express it as often as they like. I love talking to everyone here.

It sounds like Jbrand considers everyone a hater if you didnt give the game at least a 9 or higher.  I never hated the game myself but it could have been a better game and I applaud the developers for acknowledging some of the missteps they made.

Now LEGACY was fun!!! And 1000 times better than the last 30 minutes of ACT 3!! 

[jbrand2002uk]

Well i could say that despite all the add-ons patches and updates and the 4 year dev cycle Origins and its DLC was bug ridden and crash happy and this was despite running it on atop of the line Alienware system. Yet despite all the animosity towards DA2 by large groups of Origins fans who say they were "Betreyed" even in base 1.0 code i hade no crashes or bugs to speak of with DA2,

At the end of the day both groups could argue till armageddon, Change happens regardless of whether or not either group wants it DA3 will be what it will be and all the armchair market analysis in the world wont change it neither will saying that the only way to make DA3 "perfect" is for Bioware to ignore all that DA2 Fans like purely to satisfy some Origin Fans sense of superiority.

Most of the negative reviews about DA2 where for the console based variants no the PC variant the X360 version was well know for freezing.
Case in point CODMW1:- on the xbox truly awful
and yet on the PC it was a great game.

As for raising a stink about DA3 that would only me me if they reverted back entirely to the origins style because what would be the point in paying for a new game that is essentially origins with a different story or character and better graphics.

Chances are it will be the Origins fans that make the biggest loudest stink 1st(as a matter of fact they allready started months ago) as EA/Bioware have claimed in recent press releases that the warden will most likely not be the main playable character again with Hawke being a strong possibillity and that the art direction and General alterations found in DA2 such as the faster combat pace and more streamlined skilltree will most likely feature.

and Finally on Head stuck in the sand syndrome nowhere is this more apparent then in the hardcore group of the Origin fans if EA actually cared about Origins fans the DA2 would have been a pure RPG like Origins instead it was an Action/RPG hybrid.

But oh billy the squid please do continue to "argue the wind" to parraphrase the Arishok though sadly you wasting your time because as the Qun says it is Asit tal-eb

[alex90c]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Well i could say that despite all the add-ons patches and updates and the 4 year dev cycle Origins and its DLC was bug ridden and crash happy and this was despite running it on atop of the line Alienware system. Yet despite all the animosity towards DA2 by large groups of Origins fans who say they were "Betreyed" even in base 1.0 code i hade no crashes or bugs to speak of with DA2,

At the end of the day both groups could argue till armageddon, Change happens regardless of whether or not either group wants it DA3 will be what it will be and all the armchair market analysis in the world wont change it neither will saying that the only way to make DA3 "perfect" is for Bioware to ignore all that DA2 Fans like purely to satisfy some Origin Fans sense of superiority.

Most of the negative reviews about DA2 where for the console based variants no the PC variant the X360 version was well know for freezing.
Case in point CODMW1:- on the xbox truly awful
and yet on the PC it was a great game.

As for raising a stink about DA3 that would only me me if they reverted back entirely to the origins style because what would be the point in paying for a new game that is essentially origins with a different story or character and better graphics.

Chances are it will be the Origins fans that make the biggest loudest stink 1st(as a matter of fact they allready started months ago) as EA/Bioware have claimed in recent press releases that the warden will most likely not be the main playable character again with Hawke being a strong possibillity and that the art direction and General alterations found in DA2 such as the faster combat pace and more streamlined skilltree will most likely feature.

and Finally on Head stuck in the sand syndrome nowhere is this more apparent then in the hardcore group of the Origin fans if EA actually cared about Origins fans the DA2 would have been a pure RPG like Origins instead it was an Action/RPG hybrid.

But oh billy the squid please do continue to "argue the wind" to parraphrase the Arishok though sadly you wasting your time because as the Qun says it is Asit tal-eb

^I can't be the only one too lazy to read this guy's posts 

[Melca36]

Get over yourself jbrand2002uk and read some of these articles

http://www.videogame...e_origins.html

There are plenty more to google as well....

The fact you are continually bashing Origins fans shows that you are only out to troll and have no respect for anybody's opinions but yours. Maybe when you get older that will change.

Because right now your attitude towards people who do NOT think like you will not make people listen to your side.

[jbrand2002uk]

Oh what joy i get fronm the reaction Of select DAO fans when they have the arrogance and hostillity they have directed towards DA2 fans in the forums official and otherwise for months directed right back at them far to many givers who dont like to reap what they sow and how i laugh at the attempts of trying to act like a professional market analyst with all your fancy words tee hee ha.

But please dont let my manic laughing at you put you off working up a good old whinge just for the hell of it

[jbrand2002uk]

Melca you may well post that link yet you fail to realise that fans like me are willing to accept a blend of the 2 games. for DA3 where as most of the hardcore like yourself will not accept a compromise of any kind whatsoever as im sure that whatever for DA3 takes you will be at the front of the group lineing up to bash it down before even playing it.

[xkg]

^
Jezz dude what the hell is your problem ? What would you like to hear ?

Yes I am DAO fan,
Yes I don't like DA2,
No, I wont stop posting just because you say so
No, I dont give a damn what you think about me or about my POV on this matter

Are you happy now ? Can we go back to topic now ? Can you free this thread of your presence ?

[Melca36]

xkg wrote...

^
Jezz dude what the hell is your problem ? What would you like to hear ?

Yes I am DAO fan,
Yes I don't like DA2,
No, I wont stop posting just because you say so
No, I dont give a damn what you think about me or about my POV on this matter

Are you happy now ? Can we go back to topic now ? Can you free this thread of your presence ?

I'm done responding to him.

I didn't hate DA:2 but it was not perfect by any means. And its obvious he is denial anyway.
He'll be the first one to complain about DA:3 when it comes out.

[jbrand2002uk]

oh yes the topic which was ooh lets See "i live in a fantassy world where Origins is perfect and DA2 is crap because we the narrow minded mouthy majority say so" is that polite enough for you in your DAO pyjama's

[jbrand2002uk]

or is that my presence has reminded you that not everyone is intimidated by you and that  has made you feel small and inadequete oh my deepest apoligies for offending your sensitive disposistion and besides if Origins is so perfect why arnt you playing it now ? crashed again has it? playing the oh so perfect warden wearing a little thin after the 200th time, realised you know more about the origins universe than whats outside your house no ? wonder what it could possibly be hmm do i have to phone your dad or ask the audience maybe i'll take the 50:50 or are you too busy being a delicate flower

Modifié par jbrand2002uk, 02 septembre 2011 - 04:51 .

[alex90c]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

or is that my presence has reminded you that not everyone is intimidated by and has made you feel small and inadequete oh my deepest apoligies for offending your sensitive disposistion and besides if Origins is so perfect why arnt you playing it now ? crashed again has it? playing the oh so perfect warden wearing a little thin after the 200th time, realised you know more about the origins universe than whats outside your house no ? wonder what it could possibly be hmm do i have to phone your dad or ask the audience maybe i'll take the 50:50 or are you too busy being a delicate flower

hey man, nobody cares