IanPolaris wrote...
Perhaps, just perhaps mind you, a choice that you think is morally black and white really isn't? Just saying.
-Polaris
Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 août 2011 - 02:41 .
thats1evildude wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
It can't work that way. If it did, then every third mage would become a world destroying abomination before he reached of age.
Magical talent does not manifest at birth. It takes at least a few years to appear, at which point most mages are taken off to the Circle to be trained. (Or if they're Dalish, they begin studying under a Keeper. Or, in the case of many apostates, they begin studying another apostate.) Perhaps demons do not notice budding mages until their abilities appear.
thats1evildude wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Perhaps, just perhaps mind you, a choice that you think is morally grey really isn't? Just saying.
-Polaris
You took the words right out of my mouth, Polaris.
Except I wasn't directing it at David.
It's a natural consequence of it being the most interesting topic in the game.David Gaider wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Is the emancipation of the Circles of Magi going to mean more insane mage antagonists in DLC and Dragon Age 3? Will Hawke be denied meaningful choice in the narrative of the DLCs and forced down a linear progression to deal with insane and stupid mage antagonists? Will the mage antagonists continue to be depicted as insane and stupid characters?
Will the Divine ever apologize for oppressing all those poor, unjustifiably-portrayed insane mages? Will the writers ever admit to hating freedom as much as they clearly must? Will Anders ever get his cat back? Will the same three posters ever stop posting variations on the same topic over and over again?
These questions and MORE answered on the News @ 11!
David Gaider wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Is the emancipation of the Circles of Magi going to mean more insane mage antagonists in DLC and Dragon Age 3? Will Hawke be denied meaningful choice in the narrative of the DLCs and forced down a linear progression to deal with insane and stupid mage antagonists? Will the mage antagonists continue to be depicted as insane and stupid characters?
Will the Divine ever apologize for oppressing all those poor, unjustifiably-portrayed insane mages? Will the writers ever admit to hating freedom as much as they clearly must? Will Anders ever get his cat back? Will the same three posters ever stop posting variations on the same topic over and over again?
These questions and MORE answered on the News @ 11!
IanPolaris wrote...
Remember the circle is only a thousand years old, and mages existed long before then. That's my point. The very fact civilization exists means that mages don't become abominations either randomly or nearly at the rate the chantry claims.
-Polaris
Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 août 2011 - 02:45 .
Only Decimus was written that way. Grace was possessed and Orsino isn't the fault of the writing department.But seriously Mr. Gaider, why were Grace, Decimus, and Orsino portrayed to be insane idiots instead of real people? Those are the primary mages I took issue with. Decimus attacks Hawke and friends without even ascertaining what side they're on, which inadvertently causes Grace to think that Hawke sold her out even when he didn't and makes her a pathetic person who kills one of the very scant few Templars who was a decent person.
Guest_Puddi III_*
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
And Orsino... well, I find it to be really absurd to have him turn on you for no good reason when you can kill all the Templars without any mage dying, and yet for some reason the mages still die.
thats1evildude wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Remember the circle is only a thousand years old, and mages existed long before then. That's my point. The very fact civilization exists means that mages don't become abominations either randomly or nearly at the rate the chantry claims.
-Polaris
Sure didn't! The Tevinter Imperium existed at the start of the Chantry calendar, and I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that they had a way of training their mages. And before then, well, that's the source of a lot of mysteries.
Xilizhra wrote...
Only Decimus was written that way. Grace was possessed and Orsino isn't the fault of the writing department.But seriously Mr. Gaider, why were Grace, Decimus, and Orsino portrayed to be insane idiots instead of real people? Those are the primary mages I took issue with. Decimus attacks Hawke and friends without even ascertaining what side they're on, which inadvertently causes Grace to think that Hawke sold her out even when he didn't and makes her a pathetic person who kills one of the very scant few Templars who was a decent person.
Xilizhra wrote...
Grace was possessed
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 août 2011 - 02:52 .
IanPolaris wrote...
Mages existed long before Tevinter, my good man. In fact mages or at least magical ability in Thedas seems to have existed for as long as men and elves have walked on Thedas....long before there was any civilization, and that's the point.
Modifié par phaonica, 30 août 2011 - 02:53 .
Filament wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
And Orsino... well, I find it to be really absurd to have him turn on you for no good reason when you can kill all the Templars without any mage dying, and yet for some reason the mages still die.
The mages in that sanctum still dying is a bit nonsensical, but the templars did have to kill a bunch of mages to reach that sanctum. One could argue that's what was on Orsino's mind, and what would have been on his mind either way, whether the mages in the sanctum lived or not.
Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 30 août 2011 - 02:53 .
thats1evildude wrote...
But it does! It does work that way! Demons can forcibly possess mages. We've seen it with Uldred in Origins and with Thrask's daughter Olivia in DA2. The codex for Orsino's staff even suggests that his predecessor was turned into an abomination against her will.
Xilizhra wrote...
Whatever irritation I have over the mage issue (most of which is Orsino and I'm fairly sure that wasn't your fault) is subsumed by your defense of the all-bi romance technique.
Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
She was not possessed she was bitter at Hawke for killing "the best man she ever met" and resented him for it and thats why she wanted to kill the hostage and Hawke.
Thats what made it so much fun to smash her face in considering you saved her life.
phaonica wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Mages existed long before Tevinter, my good man. In fact mages or at least magical ability in Thedas seems to have existed for as long as men and elves have walked on Thedas....long before there was any civilization, and that's the point.
From what source are you getting this info? I'm not sure where the dragon age wiki got their info, but it says:
"Legend holds that the first known mage was a Tevinter, Archon Thalsian, who was supposedly taught how to use blood magic by the Old God Dumat
(over the years, some historians have argued that this is merely a
myth, and that Thalsian learned about magic from the elves.) "
Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
She was not possessed she was bitter at Hawke for killing "the best man she ever met" and resented him for it and thats why she wanted to kill the hostage and Hawke.
Rifneno wrote...
Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
She was not possessed she was bitter at Hawke for killing "the best man she ever met" and resented him for it and thats why she wanted to kill the hostage and Hawke.
Thats what made it so much fun to smash her face in considering you saved her life.
She wasn't possessed? She literally turns into an abomination when you fight her. A pride abomination, to be exact.
Rifneno wrote...
Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
She was not possessed she was bitter at Hawke for killing "the best man she ever met" and resented him for it and thats why she wanted to kill the hostage and Hawke.
Thats what made it so much fun to smash her face in considering you saved her life.
She wasn't possessed? She literally turns into an abomination when you fight her. A pride abomination, to be exact.
Guest_Puddi III_*
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I find that (and by that I mean the cinematic of the RoA) to be just as absurd when Orsino clearly decided to gather up every mage of his for a last stand.
It was supposed to be an "if I go down I'm taking you all down with me" sort of moment, I suppose. He gave up trying to beat the templars in a way that involved his survival, so he activated the nuke on his forearm and started laughing at Arnold Schwarzenegger, little did he know Arnold was a world class sprinter.Besides, it still doesn't make sense for him to do it. It's more understandable for what's going through his mind, but it doesn't make sense for him to do it. He knew people would die. He thinks that turning into a brainless flesh construct that will kill everything in its path is going to solve things?
IanPolaris wrote...
However we know that in all of recorded history magical abilitity has always existed. We know that even some animals have magical abilities (in Thedas anyway). We know that magical ability exists in all civilizations and races except Dwarves and it seems to be totally absent in Dwarves, and again both have been true for all of recorded history. We also know that the structure of the society didn't matter for magic to exist. As long as the civilization wasn't Dwarven, magic of some form exists or existed.
IanPolaris wrote...
There is a simple solution to that, you realize.
-Polaris
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