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[Xilizhra]

And how is Orsino not the fault of the writing department?

He was the fault of whatever idiot decided that there weren't enough boss battles.

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

She wasn't possessed when she decides to kill Thrask. She does become possessed though when you fight her.

She was still a person when she decided to do her "He killed Decimus!" schtick.

She appeared human and only physically morphed into an eldritch abomination once engaged in combat.  Uldred was the same but we know for a fact he was already possessed before morphing.  And both were pride, the most powerful of demons.  I suppose it's possible she wasn't yet possessed but I find it highly unlikely.

[Follow Me on Twitter]

And the sad part was how easy he was.

They could have atleast beefed it up to GoA difficulty or something.

Or maybe the new combat system is to blame.


Honestly every mage in DA2 was apparently possessed seeing as they all end up as abominations.

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 30 août 2011 - 03:06 .

[thats1evildude]

IanPolaris wrote...

Legend also holds that all evil came because a woman ate an apple against the great white father in the sky too. 

That's a Biblical parable from our world, not the legends of Thedas, which is an unfair comparison. And you've got it hilariously wrong. And you're suggesting in a backhanded way that Christian belief is wrong, which is kind of arrogant and insulting to any Christians on the forum.

You know, Polaris, when there's a crapload of evidence against you, at some point you have to stop dismissing everything that doesn't fit your interpretation of the game's lore as lies.

IanPolaris wrote...

However we know that in all of recorded history magical abilitity has always existed.

And there have always been systems in place through which mages can receive training to guard against demonic possession.

IanPolaris wrote...

That tells me that magic has existed from the start.  I see no logical reason to assume otherwise especially since magic exists in hunter-gatherer societies to this day (Chasind, Dalish) and the abomination rate does NOT wipe them out.

I don't know how the Chasind guard against demons (or much of their beliefs), but I know that Dalish mages must train under a keeper. I also know FROM MERRILL HERSELF that demons can possess Dalish mages, and when it happens, "the clan must hunt and kill their own Keeper."

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

And how is Orsino not the fault of the writing department?

He was the fault of whatever idiot decided that there weren't enough boss battles.

Isn't that ultimately the responsibility of the writers?  Unless of course the lead Dev intefered I suppose....

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

phaonica wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

However we know that in all of recorded history magical abilitity has always existed.  We know that even some animals have magical abilities (in Thedas anyway).  We know that magical ability exists in all civilizations and races except Dwarves and it seems to be totally absent in Dwarves, and again both have been true for all of recorded history.  We also know that the structure of the society didn't matter for magic to exist.  As long as the civilization wasn't Dwarven, magic of some form exists or existed.

I understand that what I quoted could easily be disregarded as legend or propaganda, however even if we assume that magic has always existed in the world doesn't mean that humans/elves/dwarves could always harness it.

Why not?  There are stone age societies in current Thedas that harness magic just fine.  What evidence do you have that the laws of nature were different thousands of years ago?

-Polaris

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I find that (and by that I mean the cinematic of the RoA) to be just as absurd when Orsino clearly decided to gather up every mage of his for a last stand.

Well, not all of them... there's only a few mages in that sanctum. There's that cutscene beforehand that shows the mages getting mowed down in the main hall. Though come to think of it you have to wonder what their strategy was, putting the individuals most able to aid in the defense of the mages (Hawke and company, Orsino) at the farthest reach of their defenses, and letting the bulk of the mages get slaughtered on the front line...

Besides, it still doesn't make sense for him to do it. It's more understandable for what's going through his mind, but it doesn't make sense for him to do it. He knew people would die. He thinks that turning into a brainless flesh construct that will kill everything in its path is going to solve things?

It was supposed to be an "if I go down I'm taking you all down with me" sort of moment, I suppose. He gave up trying to beat the templars in a way that involved his survival, so he activated the nuke on his forearm and started laughing at Arnold Schwarzenegger, little did he know Arnold was a world class sprinter.

That sanctum could've been used against the Templars. It's a perfect funnel. And I'm sure there was a way for him to get some mages to the top of the tower to rain down glorious magical apocalyptica all over the Templars as they were crossing on their boats.

There would've still been boats for the mages to use because they had to have gotten to the Gallows somehow when Orsino says "Go! Get to the Gallows as fast as you can!" during the Last Straw.

But of course, NPCs have to be incompetent idiots.

And why would he want to take down everyone? Everyone consists of his charges and the person who sided with him, who believed that Meredith needed to be ousted from power either forcibly or diplomatically. There is no justification for writing something so absurd for a character that was described as putting his charges before his own desires.

edit: Also, what are you referring to with your Schwarzenegger line? I should probably be able to get that, but I can't. unless you're just calling Hawke the Thedosian equivalent of the Governator

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 août 2011 - 03:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...

And how is Orsino not the fault of the writing department?

He was the fault of whatever idiot decided that there weren't enough boss battles.

It's not like Orsino was developped anyways.

But that is a big example for me of the DA team insulting our intelligence and not respecting its customers.

[thats1evildude]

Rifneno wrote...

*sigh* Way to miss the point. Mages can be forcibly possessed by demons, and anyone on the road can get hit by a drunk driver.

I haven't a goddamn clue what one has to do with the other.

We shouldn't oppress mages … because we let people drive drunk? Actually, I'm pretty sure there are laws against that sort of thing. Your analogy is a tad weak.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 août 2011 - 03:10 .

[IanPolaris]

Dave of Canada wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

There is a simple solution to that, you realize.

-Polaris

Not having a prosecution complex regarding mages?

Swing and a miss.  How about not starting a conversation you know will be interpreted badly and go on a very bad track?  There is such a thing as "asking for it".

-Polaris

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Filament wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I find that (and by that I mean the cinematic of the RoA) to be just as absurd when Orsino clearly decided to gather up every mage of his for a last stand.

Well, not all of them... there's only a few mages in that sanctum. There's that cutscene beforehand that shows the mages getting mowed down in the main hall. Though come to think of it you have to wonder what their strategy was, putting the individuals most able to aid in the defense of the mages (Hawke and company, Orsino) at the farthest reach of their defenses, and letting the bulk of the mages get slaughtered on the front line...

Besides, it still doesn't make sense for him to do it. It's more understandable for what's going through his mind, but it doesn't make sense for him to do it. He knew people would die. He thinks that turning into a brainless flesh construct that will kill everything in its path is going to solve things?

It was supposed to be an "if I go down I'm taking you all down with me" sort of moment, I suppose. He gave up trying to beat the templars in a way that involved his survival, so he activated the nuke on his forearm and started laughing at Arnold Schwarzenegger, little did he know Arnold was a world class sprinter.

That sanctum could've been used against the Templars. It's a perfect funnel. And I'm sure there was a way for him to get some mages to the top of the tower to rain down glorious magical apocalyptica all over the Templars as they were crossing on their boats.

There would've still been boats for the mages to use because they had to have gotten to the Gallows somehow when Orsino says "Go! Get to the Gallows as fast as you can!" during the Last Straw.

But of course, NPCs have to be incompetent idiots.

And why would he want to take down everyone? Everyone consists of his charges and the person who sided with him, who believed that Meredith needed to be ousted from power either forcibly or diplomatically. There is no justification for writing something so absurd for a character that was described as putting his charges before his own desires.

Yeah that could have worked, only the templars had already cut their way through all the teenagers in the circle and were at Orsinos face in a matter of minutes.

[IanPolaris]

It took hours for the Templars to gather and come across the harbor though. It seems to me that the mages wasted almost all of that time.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

thats1evildude wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*sigh* Way to miss the point. Mages can be forcibly possessed by demons, and anyone on the road can get hit by a drunk driver.

I haven't a goddamn clue what one has to do with the other.

We shouldn't oppress mages … because we let people drive drunk? Actually, I'm pretty sure there are laws against that sort of thing. Your analogy is a tad weak.

No, we shouldn't oppress mages because we let people drive.

[Dave of Canada]

IanPolaris wrote...

How about not starting a conversation you know will be interpreted badly and go on a very bad track?

When people have the mentioned prosecution complex, of course it'll go on a bad track quite quickly when it doesn't agree with them.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 30 août 2011 - 03:12 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

IanPolaris wrote...

It took hours for the Templars to gather and come across the harbor though. It seems to me that the mages wasted almost all of that time.

-Polaris

When you arrive at the harbors Orsino meets with Meredith to try and end it peacefully he knew they were going to be slaughtered he didn't want it to go any further then that.

He is a first enchanter he was not prepared to lead a defense against a military group thats been trained to fight and contain them.

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 30 août 2011 - 03:13 .

[IanPolaris]

Dave of Canada wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

How about not starting a conversation you know will be interpreted badly and go on a very bad track?

When people have the mentioned prosecution complex, of course it'll go on a bad track quite quickly when it doesn't agree with them.

I see.  Blame the customers.  Almost everyone before I even commented seem to think the original comment was...unwise.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

It took hours for the Templars to gather and come across the harbor though. It seems to me that the mages wasted almost all of that time.

-Polaris

When you arrive at the harbors Orsino meets with Meredith to try and end it peacefully he knew they were going to be slaughtered he didn't want it to go any further then that.

He is a first enchanter he was not prepared to lead a defense a military group thats been trained to fight and contain them.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rough trans:  Let he who desires peace prepare for war.

-Polaris

[CrimsonZephyr]

David Gaider wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Is the emancipation of the Circles of Magi going to mean more insane mage antagonists in DLC and Dragon Age 3? Will Hawke be denied meaningful choice in the narrative of the DLCs and forced down a linear progression to deal with insane and stupid mage antagonists? Will the mage antagonists continue to be depicted as insane and stupid characters?

Will the Divine ever apologize for oppressing all those poor, unjustifiably-portrayed insane mages? Will the writers ever admit to hating freedom as much as they clearly must? Will Anders ever get his cat back? Will the same three posters ever stop posting variations on the same topic over and over again?

These questions and MORE answered on the News @ 11!

Is it too much to ask that mages be given three dimensional personalities and believable motives. It's seems every other mage is simply in "BURN! KILL! DESTROY!" mode all the damn time.

Of course, if the OP's questions were ever answered, instead of mocked, perhaps they would cease. Then again, if you deliberately answered the questions in a way that would anger those poor stupid pro-mage posters, and they react very, very, very badly, you'd have the necessary pretext to bring out the ban-hammer.

Then you'd never see these threads again.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 30 août 2011 - 03:16 .

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

She appeared human and only physically morphed into an eldritch abomination once engaged in combat.  Uldred was the same but we know for a fact he was already possessed before morphing.  And both were pride, the most powerful of demons.  I suppose it's possible she wasn't yet possessed but I find it highly unlikely.

Uldred was forcibly possessed when he summoned a Pride Demon, which resulted in him screaming in pain until he wasn't Uldred anymore.

I'm fairly certain there was a mage in DAII that was forcibly possessed and screamed in pain.

If Grace was possessed, she would've broken out of the Gallows long before Best Served Cold. She would've gone on a killing spree, or tried to take over the Gallows. I doubt any Pride Abomination would be so concerned with what Grace was feeling regarding Decimus or to be concerned about keeping people alive. Now if she was a Desire Abomination, I could perhaps believe she had been possessed during BSC. But I fail to see a connection between pride and love.

In fact, I don't even see how she could become a Pride Abomination when all she talked about was Decimus!

[thats1evildude]

Xilizhra wrote...

No, we shouldn't oppress mages because we let people drive.

That's still a godawful analogy.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 août 2011 - 03:25 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I remember she was a desire abomination actually. Might be misremembering.

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I remember she was a desire abomination actually. Might be misremembering.

You are.  Gameplay says pride anyway.

-Polaris

[Dave of Canada]

About Orsino, I enjoyed greatly reading the codex entry from the Staff of Violation and comparing the story of First Enchanter Casimira to First Enchanter Orsino. Just change Casimira's positive traits with negative ones.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*sigh* Way to miss the point. Mages can be forcibly possessed by demons, and anyone on the road can get hit by a drunk driver.

I haven't a goddamn clue what one has to do with the other.

We shouldn't oppress mages … because we let people drive drunk? Actually, I'm pretty sure there are laws against that sort of thing. Your analogy is a tad weak.

No, we shouldn't oppress mages because we let people drive.

But we do license them to drive and if they lose that license they get fined or jailed something that's a given with drunk driving.