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[Lord Jaric]

I honestly don't really care, at the end of the day it’s just a game and games (and any other work of fiction) have a little leeway with somethings.

[Spartas Husky]

Sharn01 wrote...

..., and for the record, women in today's
military do not need to keep their hair short. If its long it needs to
be kept above the collar while they are on duty, they can do whatever
they want with it off duty,

Does this^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sharn01 wrote...
I was stationed with a female MP who had waist length hair and simply tied it up when in uniform.

not seem to contradict this^^^^^^^^^^^

I mean... Active Duty... MP with waist long hair? I'm at the disbilief a CO would
allow waist long hair.

Then again is up to your CO to enforce it... it might be possible but the thought of something like that being allowed smells to me like bs.

Edit: iIf she was for PR purposes then nvm I take it back. Seen British and Israeli women with tigh long hair in recruitment vids.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 31 août 2011 - 05:59 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

Sharn01 wrote...
 If its long it needs to be kept above the collar while they are on duty, they can do whatever they want with it off duty, I was stationed with a female MP who had waist length hair and simply tied it up when in uniform.

Problem is those women your'e speaking of are never used in front line combat, they're reserve, medical personal performing rear echelon duties. Outside of actual combat stuff like hair etc. really doesn't matter so much and things aren't so tight.

Fem Shep and Ashley however are special ops and often the tip of the spear, they wear full combat gear where buns or shoulder long hair can be a big problem, adjusting hair every 30 seconds or getting hair in their faces while wearing a helmet is simply stupid nonsense crap no serious soldier wants to deal with.

I understand that certain groups of gamers want SHEXSHY Fem Shep and don't give a damn about pyhsics and how actual combat works, they want to dress them up like barbie and complain there are no kinky Final Fantasy combat dresses and butt-long hair, but if you want that you're playing the wrong game, gameplay of ME2 is about saving the galaxy and killing lots of people and aliens in the process, its not a dress-up fashion game.

I want more short hairstyles for FemShep in ME2 because shoulder long hair is not only stooopid it breaks the immersion for me. Those of you who want super-long hairstyles get them anyway, but I'm afraid that BW follows the trend and doesn't care about short realistic hairstyles.  

[medcsu]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

..., and for the record, women in today's
military do not need to keep their hair short. If its long it needs to
be kept above the collar while they are on duty, they can do whatever
they want with it off duty,

Does this^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sharn01 wrote...
I was stationed with a female MP who had waist length hair and simply tied it up when in uniform.

not seem to contradict this^^^^^^^^^^^

I mean... Active Duty... MP with waist long hair? I'm at the disbilief a CO would
allow waist long hair.

Then again is up to your CO to enforce it... it might be possible but the thought of something like that being allowed smells to me like bs.

Edit: iIf she was for PR purposes then nvm I take it back. Seen British and Israeli women with tigh long hair in recruitment vids.

I agree and I call BS. No SP/MP is going to be ON DUTY with that long of hair. Now if she wasnt actually working and her hair was down I can see it, sure, but no way on duty would she get away with it.

[Fates end]

medcsu wrote...



I agree and I call BS. No SP/MP is going to be ON DUTY with that long of hair. Now if she wasnt actually working and her hair was down I can see it, sure, but no way on duty would she get away with it.

Uh . . . that's what was said.  Off-duty the hair is let down, but on duty the mentioned MP tied it up (presumably to within regulations).   So why are you calling BS?

[medcsu]

Fates end wrote...

medcsu wrote...



I agree and I call BS. No SP/MP is going to be ON DUTY with that long of hair. Now if she wasnt actually working and her hair was down I can see it, sure, but no way on duty would she get away with it.

Uh . . . that's what was said.  Off-duty the hair is let down, but on duty the mentioned MP tied it up (presumably to within regulations).   So why are you calling BS?

I dont typically read pages upon pages of nerdgasms so just picked it up with something I know an awful lot about. I inferred from that comment that someone claimed that an MP/SP had long hair on DUTY and would call BS if that is the case. Since you corrected it, I rescind my BS call, simple.

Modifié par medcsu, 31 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[Spartas Husky]

Fates end wrote...

medcsu wrote...



I agree and I call BS. No SP/MP is going to be ON DUTY with that long of hair. Now if she wasnt actually working and her hair was down I can see it, sure, but no way on duty would she get away with it.

Uh . . . that's what was said.  Off-duty the hair is let down, but on duty the mentioned MP tied it up (presumably to within regulations).   So why are you calling BS?

Because wherher your off duty or not, WHEN u go back to your duties your hair must not be longer than your shoulder.

She was stationed, meaning she was on duty. That specific time it might have been at a bar, or a restaurant he saw her with "waist long hair" Meaning that her her from lets say the day before had to have grown months of length in a night.

Or it could have been a friday maybe, and he saw her on sunday, on friday she was on duty there is no possible way to have hair grow to wasit long in a few days... hell even weeks. Takes a few months. So She was not off duty for more than a few days, maybe a week. Hence I smell bs, because no matter how you look at it from the closest possible active duty time that soldier had, she could not have had longer than shoulder length hair.

Now, if she JUST got to the base after being inactive, maybe maybe. But the maybe is really stretched. Maybe the next day she got her hair cut.

Female soldier cannot have their hair beyond their shoulders period as long as they are active duty, if they were "off duty" for the night doesn't matter, the morning after they are going to go back, hair that long is not allowed. Even if she lets it loose the hair couldn't possibly be longer than her shoulder. CO's... at least good ones dont allow it given the fact that hair longer than your shoulder doesn't mix well with a helmet.

[lovgreno]

Long hair hair in the ME games looks kind of weird anyway, like it has been greased or something.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Montezuma IV wrote...

THIS IS A GAME.

It would be idiotic for BioWare to not include long hair just because some tight-ass who doesn't even have to use the option, thinks it's unrealistic.

I think tight-asses like me don't mind the long hairstyles but the lack of realistic hairstyles we prefer. If you want to play dress-up-doll; thats fine, I don't care, go ahead, but give me the option for some realism. 
Options people, OPTIONS. They make everyone happy. 

Modifié par The Woldan , 31 août 2011 - 07:15 .

[Fishy]

Hair is so overrated anyway . In the future everyone will be bald.

Modifié par Suprez30, 31 août 2011 - 07:51 .

[100k]

Even when Ashley isn't a SPECTRE, she's at a high enough military level where she can wear whatever the hell she wants. SHE WEARS WHITE AND PINK! You gonna complain about impracticality, complain about that.

[Varen Spectre]

I am absolutely fine with the looks of female Shepard, because not only we have an option to play as male one:P, but we also have an option to tailor her looks (from haircuts and make-up to armor) according to our needs. 

However, when it comes to other characters, who were not customizable in previous games and who might very well not be customizable in Mass Effect 3 too, the situation is much more tricky...

In such cases, IMO, the developer should be particularly careful not to make choices that might disappoint substantial part of game's fanbase. I am aware of the fact that "characters are designed to be loved by some players but not all" but still...

If Ashley used to be designed as a character that gives the impression, that she has strong military background and pursues discipline, military rules and pragmatic solutions, - and just like with other Bioware characters - her looks and costume not only complemented her character and behaviour, but actually emphasized it, I have to wonder what is going to happen to her in Mass Effect 3, that she is "suddenly" dressed and adjusted in such non-combat and impractical (as far as combat is concerned - hair that almost cover her eyes, high heels / wedges, thin and tight outfit, unprotected neckline) fashion... 



Can Ashley even see the rifle's sights, let alone her target?

I would like to hope that, she was just "caught off guard" during the Reapers' attack, as some of the posters proposed here or in previous threads, but given how difficult the creation of models seems to be, I am not completely sure that will be the case here... Nevertheless, my hope still lives, and if by any chance we end up only with this outfit and appearance, I really hope that we will at least have a good "story" explanation for this change.

[Spartas Husky]

Varen Spectre wrote...




Can Ashley even see the rifle's sights, let alone her target?

To be honest I've never evens een the trailer with her in it...

WTF IS THAT!!!. are u serious??. Bioware... seriously wat is wrong with you? did the "planet scanning" idiot spread around his ideas or something like that?...
Did not of your wonderful testers ever asked "can she even see with that hair"?

wow.... just wow.

If her hair is like that onboard is one thing... but in battle she doesn't carry a futuristic rubberband just in case?...

[Spartas Husky]

Suprez30 wrote...

Hair is so overrated anyway . In the future everyone will be bald.

.....bald women... aint women. If a woman has another opinion they are free to share it. But that is one place a woman needs hair... not tiny, not small, but reasonable amount of it.

[Sharn01]

Army Grooming Regulations

Females

Female haircuts will conform to the following standards:

Females will ensure their hair is neatly groomed, that the length and
bulk of the hair are not excessive, and that the hair does not present a
ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance. Likewise, trendy styles that
result in shaved portions of the scalp (other than the neckline) or
designs cut into the hair are prohibited. Females may wear braids and
cornrows as long as the braided style is conservative, the braids and
cornrows lie snugly on the head, and any hairholding devices comply with
the standards below. Dreadlocks (unkempt, twisted, matted individual
parts of hair) are prohibited in uniform or in civilian clothes on duty.
Hair will not fall over the eyebrows or extend below the bottom edge of
the collar at any time during normal activity or when standing in
formation. Long hair that falls naturally below the bottom edge of the
collar, to include braids, will be neatly and inconspicuously fastened
or pinned, so no free-hanging hair is visible. This includes styles worn
with the physical fitness uniform/improved physical fitness uniform
(PFU/IPFU).

Styles that are lopsided or distinctly unbalanced are prohibited.
Ponytails, pigtails, or braids that are not secured to the head
(allowing hair to hang freely), widely spaced individual hanging locks,
and other extreme styles that protrude from the head are prohibited.
Extensions, weaves, wigs, and hairpieces are authorized; however, these
additions must have the same general appearance as the individual’s
natural hair. Additionally, any wigs, extensions, hairpieces, or weaves
must comply with the grooming policies set forth in this paragraph.

Females will ensure that hairstyles do not interfere with proper wear of
military headgear and protective masks or equipment at any time. When
headgear is worn, the hair will not extend below the bottom edge of the
front of the headgear, nor will it extend below the bottom edge of the
collar.

Hair-holding devices are authorized only for the purpose of securing the
hair. Soldiers will not place hairholding devices in the hair for
decorative purposes. All hair-holding devices must be plain and of a
color as close to the soldier’s hair as is possible or clear. Authorized
devices include, but are not limited to, small, plain scrunchies
(elastic hair bands covered with material), barrettes, combs, pins,
clips, rubber bands, and hair bands. Devices that are conspicuous,
excessive, or decorative are prohibited. Some examples of prohibited
devices include, but are not limited to, large, lacy scrunchies; beads,
bows, or claw clips; clips, pins, or barrettes with butterflies,
flowers, sparkles, gems, or scalloped edges; and bows made from
hairpieces.

As with hairstyles, the requirement for standards regarding cosmetics is
necessary to maintain uniformity and to avoid an extreme or unmilitary
appearance. Females are authorized to wear cosmetics with all uniforms,
provided they are applied conservatively and in good taste and
complement the uniform. Leaders at all levels must exercise good
judgment in the enforcement of this policy.

Females may wear cosmetics if they are conservative and complement the
uniform and their complexion. Eccentric, exaggerated, or trendy cosmetic
styles and colors, to include makeup designed to cover tattoos, are
inappropriate with the uniform and are prohibited. Permanent makeup,
such as eyebrow or eyeliner, is authorized as long as the makeup
conforms to the standards outlined above.

Females will not wear shades of lipstick and nail polish that distinctly
contrast with their complexion, that detract from the uniform, or that
are extreme. Some examples of extreme colors include, but are not
limited to, purple, gold, blue, black, white, bright (fire-engine) red,
khaki, camouflage colors, and fluorescent colors. Soldiers will not
apply designs to nails or apply two-tone or multi-tone colors to nails.

Females will comply with the cosmetics policy while in any military uniform or while in civilian clothes on duty.

All personnel will keep fingernails clean and neatly trimmed. Females
will not exceed a nail length of 1/4 inch, as measured from the tip of
the finger. Females will trim nails shorter if the commander determines
that the longer length detracts from the military image, presents a
safety concern, or interferes with the performance of duties.


The MP in question braided her hair and then tied the braids in a bun, I am not sure of the process but it looked like it probably took a while, regardless, she was able to wear her beret and kevlar helmet without any complications.  It would sometimes come a little loose on long training excercises, usually ones that lasted several hours, since she was required to perform infantry duty.  Women do perform infantry duty by the way, they just cant be assigned to front line duty, base defense, patrols and convoys are allowed.

[Spartas Husky]

Sharn01 wrote...
snap...

The MP in question braided her hair and then tied the braids in a bun, I am not sure of the process but it looked like it probably took a while, regardless, she was able to wear her beret and kevlar helmet without any complications.  It would sometimes come a little loose on long training excercises, usually ones that lasted several hours, since she was required to perform infantry duty.  Women do perform infantry duty by the way, they just cant be assigned to front line duty, base defense, patrols and convoys are allowed.

braids down to her waist able to bundle them up into a bun and still wear her beret while not having some sort softball size tumor on the back of her head?

Also according to what yo've stated, she can't have hair that will make it difficult to perform her duties... in the unlikely "EVENT" she might need to wear a helmet... a bun is a no no. Specially if the bun is from hair that has been gathered from waist long hair. I mean a bun from hair just below your shoulders is the size of a baseball... the bun from braids from wasit long side hair must be half the size of her own head!


I have no idea what you saw...but I'll take your word for it. If it indeed happended then your CO and that MP needs to get their asses chewed out by someone actually following regs.

[Biotic Sage]

^ Female Video Game Regulations:

Look stylish, because it's a game to be played for fun.

[Spartas Husky]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Hair is so overrated anyway . In the future everyone will be bald.

.....bald women... aint women. If a woman has another opinion they are free to share it. But that is one place a woman needs hair... not tiny, not small, but reasonable amount of it.

You aren't human if you're bald. Man or woman.

thats a bit extreme...dont ya think?. I mean IF its naturally occurring on a woman thats another issue. But I mean some men look better bald than with weird haircuts lol

Biotic Sage wrote...

^ Female Video Game Regulations:

Look stylish, because it's a game to be played for fun.

Unfortunatelly
when Miranda is shaking her ass in mid screen I can't really get into
the game knowing she is in skin thin outfit on an actual firefight.
There is a thin line between stylish for video games and down right
breaking the immersion. Miranda totally broke mine, and Ash... might do
the same if I am asking myself "how the hell can she see through that?"

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 31 août 2011 - 08:59 .

[Rhostadt]

Thank you, Sharn01, it's plain that lot of the people in this thread don't have the first clue what the actual military regulations say about personal grooming. As far as I can remember, those Army regs match the ones I'm familiar with (Air Force) almost exactly. In short, regulations don't explicitly prohibit long hair.

There's also several conservative hairstyles that follow the letter of the regulations (i.e. above the collar) that will still get in the lady's way in combat every bit as much as somebody with unrestrained waist length hair.

Finally, Williams and Shepard are Spectres, which supersedes Alliance laws and military regulations in every respect. This fact is amply demonstrated in both games with much bigger issues than hair.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Rhostadt wrote...

Finally, Williams and Shepard are Spectres, which supersedes Alliance laws and military regulations in every respect. This fact is amply demonstrated in both games with much bigger issues than hair.

They're still shooting guns, aren't they? 

Once on the shooting range I let an interested women shoot one of my rifles just to see how good of shot she is, it went like this: BANG. *wipes hair out of face.* BANG. *wipes hair out of face*, BANG. *wipes hair out of face*...... It took her like forever to finish a ten-shot string.  (she was a very good shot by the way!)
No matter how you look at it, a  person who is regularly involved in combat does not want to deal with that kind of crap, adjusting your hair during a fierce firefight kills you. 

Short ponytail, bun or short hair, everything else is bs. And the first two hairstyles are a no-go for wearing helmets. 

Modifié par The Woldan , 31 août 2011 - 09:49 .

[Pockles]

I miss Ashley's hair bun.