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[Iakus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Varen Spectre wrote...




Can Ashley even see the rifle's sights, let alone her target?

To be honest I've never evens een the trailer with her in it...

WTF IS THAT!!!. are u serious??. Bioware... seriously wat is wrong with you? did the "planet scanning" idiot spread around his ideas or something like that?...
Did not of your wonderful testers ever asked "can she even see with that hair"?

wow.... just wow.

If her hair is like that onboard is one thing... but in battle she doesn't carry a futuristic rubberband just in case?...

^^^This is exactly what I mean, and what I'm concerned about.  Forget what the regs say or dont say, that look is simply not practical in a gunfight.

This is why I'd really like to see other screenshots of Ash in combat.  I'd like to know that this is just an isolated incident (or better, a not yet completed scene and just a placeholder look) and Ash in combat will look like the bad**** marine/Spectre she is 

[Urazz]

Didn't Ashley already have long hair in ME1 but had it tied up in a bob or something so it's not flying around everywhere?

[Sepewrath]

Well obviously she can see, otherwise she wouldn't be holding the gun there. People's obsession with hair styles and colors having any actual effect on anything in this incredibly fictional world is ridiculous. Even in the real world its ridiculous, of course you can see through your own hair. its hair, the only thing unrealistic is the fact that it doesn't move. People with long hair cut it or tie it up, so that it doesn't get grabbed, not because it blinds them. No one would be walking around with long hair at any point, if it could blind you.

[Spartas Husky]

Sepewrath wrote...

Well obviously she can see, otherwise she wouldn't be holding the gun there. People's obsession with hair styles and colors having any actual effect on anything in this incredibly fictional world is ridiculous. Even in the real world its ridiculous, of course you can see through your own hair. its hair, the only thing unrealistic is the fact that it doesn't move. People with long hair cut it or tie it up, so that it doesn't get grabbed, not because it blinds them. No one would be walking around with long hair at any point, if it could blind you.

Emo haircuts obviously allow you to see... point is "is white is round and is layed by a chicken" it doesn't take a genious to say "that doesn't look... right nor practical."

[Swisspease]

Okay, she can still sight in with her right eye, but come on that's not practical at all. What is she taking her time to style her hair while the human race is being annihilated.

[Heather Cline]

I can't agree with the OP post. Frankly femShep even if she didn't cut her ties with the Alliance is no longer apart of the Alliance Military. She said so in ME2 when she went to Tali's loyalty mission. Therefore it doesn't matter if she grows her hair out or not.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 01 septembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

All this talk of practicality seems a tad silly to me. The points about Femshep being unable to see properly fall into "it's a game" territory for me. I control Femshep and neither her hair, nor mine impedes my ability to aim. As for the NPCs, practicality hasn't really been present the entire time for them either. Need I remind you of Jack? I mean, I know she's not military or anything but she still goes out into the middle of firefights in leggings and a nipple belt; hardly what you would call practical. Miranda runs around the battlefield with long hair and in heels, of all things; not super practical either.
I don't know. I get immersion and everything, but this strikes me as a bit nitpicky.

[Swisspease]

She's a Miraluka. She uses the Force to see.

[Giant ambush beetle]

The points about Femshep being unable to see properly fall into "it's a game" territory for me.

This argument again, you can fix everything with ''its just a game'', but in my opinion if it breaks fundamental physical rules within the game itself its getting in the ''thats plain stupid''-territory because it breaks believability. Even fantasy worlds have rules, rules that create consistency and believability. Fantasy stuff aside Ashley is supposed to be human and her hair is human hair too, and so are her eyes - so how the crap can she properly aim a rifle with that wall of hair between the sights and her eyes?
Honestly, isn't that just plain stupid?

[Jayce]

Varen Spectre wrote...




Can Ashley even see the rifle's sights, let alone her target?

Probably not, as those particular screen caps are when she's turning her head to look at Sheploo....

[Varen Spectre]

Jayce F wrote...

Probably not, as those particular screen caps are when she's turning her head to look at Sheploo....

Wrong. IMO.
I was especially careful not to capture those sequences...

I used the video proposed by Iakus... Ashley is turning at Shepard at 3:30 and it looks like this:



- when is "turning" at Shepard, she is not even aiming properly

In the section I used for screencaps - the interval between 3:40 and 3:41 - she is hardly moving her head at all. At least I would not classify it as turning at Shepard by any stretch of the imagination.

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[100k]

iakus wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Varen Spectre wrote...




Can Ashley even see the rifle's sights, let alone her target?

To be honest I've never evens een the trailer with her in it...

WTF IS THAT!!!. are u serious??. Bioware... seriously wat is wrong with you? did the "planet scanning" idiot spread around his ideas or something like that?...
Did not of your wonderful testers ever asked "can she even see with that hair"?

wow.... just wow.

If her hair is like that onboard is one thing... but in battle she doesn't carry a futuristic rubberband just in case?...

^^^This is exactly what I mean, and what I'm concerned about.  Forget what the regs say or dont say, that look is simply not practical in a gunfight.

This is why I'd really like to see other screenshots of Ash in combat.  I'd like to know that this is just an isolated incident (or better, a not yet completed scene and just a placeholder look) and Ash in combat will look like the bad**** marine/Spectre she is 

How about this: Bioware confirmed that this is a CE varient. Her "official" outfit is FULL armor + helmet. 

[Erode_The_Soul]

The Woldan wrote...

The points about Femshep being unable to see properly fall into "it's a game" territory for me.

This argument again, you can fix everything with ''its just a game'', but in my opinion if it breaks fundamental physical rules within the game itself its getting in the ''thats plain stupid''-territory because it breaks believability. Even fantasy worlds have rules, rules that create consistency and believability. Fantasy stuff aside Ashley is supposed to be human and her hair is human hair too, and so are her eyes - so how the crap can she properly aim a rifle with that wall of hair between the sights and her eyes?
Honestly, isn't that just plain stupid?

I guess I'm just having a problem understanding why this is the practicality issue that bothers some people the most. Going with your game-rule-breaking logic, Jack is supposed to be human and I'm failry certain she's as mortal as the next person in line, so she likely requires more than a breast harness to survive any sort of battle.

I'm really not trying to argue; I'm just coming from the position of having accepted and ignored inconsistencies like this before. The practicality of Ashley's hair bothers me exactly as much as Jack's boob suspenders do. It's there, it makes no sense, and it bothers me. It really does. But this is Mass Effect and the future and Ashely is a spectre now so to hell with the rules, and Shepard is....well, Shepard so to hell with the rules, and belts totally provide adequate upper body protection and heels are absolutely appropriate gear for a firefight and I'm sure that incredibly advanced medical facility just isn't properly equipped to fix Garrus' face. data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA8AAAAPCAIAAAC0tAIdAAABNklEQVQokWNgQAVLmtSQEQMuAJH+cNL586XgL1cjv95K+n4/C7ueJU1qWUriyOjrrSQ0EYTSN3t03h00me+gAEEQg38+LYWLIGyAqJ7voPDi1qn///+/uHVqvoPC9wc5aCJQpa+3KUBU////n4GB4f////MdFL7fz0ITWdKkBlV9cWcKmknXTtSjiayfl8iwpEnt1RbZiztTmhvC4K5sbgi7eqwGTQSh+vUOlYs7Uzaua21uCNu4rvXK4dIvVyOvHquBi1w72Qh1ycsNYhCnX9yZcmlf7qV9uR/PekFC/eqxGgj6eisJGixw49HCEYI+Xwr+fCkYJQRfbhB7tUUWIv3uoMn7I1YfTjp/OOn88awXenhDNMx3UEC24f0Rq/dHrD4ct/9w0hkiiyWdwDVA9BCVtnClQQBdGBx+eaakegAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==

The "it's a game" excuse is a Jedi hand-wave, I freely admit that. But given how many other issues there are in the area of "game-rule practicality," this seems minor.

Like I said though, I understand immersion and I'm all for more options so adding more short hair styles sounds like a splendid idea, so long as the longer styles remain options as well.

[Biotic Sage]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

The "it's a game" excuse is a Jedi hand-wave, I freely admit that. But given how many other issues there are in the area of "game-rule practicality," this seems minor.

Mountains and molehills, pick your battles BSN.

[Iakus]

100k wrote...


How about this: Bioware confirmed that this is a CE varient. Her "official" outfit is FULL armor + helmet. 

I'd like to believe that.  And I have heard that Ash will have full armor and a helmet, though no screenshots or even concept art have emerged yet.

But I thought the "CE varient" was the silly looking pink and white jacket thingee?  I've heard nothing about variant hair styles.  THough again, it would be really cool if it turns out to be true.

[Nashiktal]

iakus wrote...

100k wrote...


How about this: Bioware confirmed that this is a CE varient. Her "official" outfit is FULL armor + helmet. 

I'd like to believe that.  And I have heard that Ash will have full armor and a helmet, though no screenshots or even concept art have emerged yet.

But I thought the "CE varient" was the silly looking pink and white jacket thingee?  I've heard nothing about variant hair styles.  THough again, it would be really cool if it turns out to be true.

While I don't usually like to mess with squadmates hair, Ashley would be a welcome exception. Ashley is a miltary girl to the bone, it in her blood. She constantly made fun of old sci fi tropes, she praised heavy armor and made snide comments about Asari commandos for their light armor.

I understand the arguments that we are catching ashley in "civilian" wear, but unlike shep and the generic npc's, changing her hair is not nearly as simple, and unlike armor it would be less likely her hair will change. 

However I will hold onto any hope I can. Ashley is free to let her hair down off duty, and that rubber looking outfit she's wearing isn't bothersome in a civilian setting like they say, but when fighting the god machines from beyond space I would think the Ashely we grew to know would at least pull her hair back.

[Yakko77]

Military, spectre or whatever, having your long hair blow across your face during combat isn't a good thing. If only for practical reasons, I'd prefer it be cut short or tied up.

[Spartas Husky]

Yakko77 wrote...

Military, spectre or whatever, having your long hair blow across your face during combat isn't a good thing. If only for practical reasons, I'd prefer it be cut short or tied up.

I hope Bioware realizes not to go one way or the other. A balanced approach is always the best one. I'd dig Ashley with her hair loose on the normandy just like miri. But when she is kicking ass and taking names some ponytail wouldn't hurt at least.... prefer the ponytail really... as long as you aren't in vaccum and then we will have another issue.


Like ME1... toggle helmets.


btw I apologize since I only picked this topic up about ashley. but I've never seen the ME3 fem shep with red hair


....male speaking.... she is hot. Red hair green eyes, menancing look enough said.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 01 septembre 2011 - 07:24 .

[Ryzaki]

I really don't care if FemShep has long wavy hair. But if she has long wavy hair male Shep better get some too. >

[Jayce]

Varen Spectre wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Probably not, as those particular screen caps are when she's turning her head to look at Sheploo....

Wrong. IMO.
I was especially careful not to capture those sequences...

In the section I used for screencaps - the interval between 3:40 and 3:41 - she is hardly moving her head at all. At least I would not classify it as turning at Shepard by any stretch of the imagination.

Look at the position of her nose in relation to the scope and the camera angle. Unless Ashley has a strange habit of aiming down the scope with her left eye while being right handed, I'm fairly confident she still has her head turned to the side.

[Chuvvy]

Are you guys seriously complaining about hair length right now?

[heyimacrab]

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Ashley was never a SPECTRE and Shepard has never cut her ties with the Alliance.

ashley will be a spectre in me3 
and shepard is too

[Varen Spectre]

Jayce F wrote...

Look at the position of her nose in relation to the scope and the camera angle. Unless Ashley has a strange habit of aiming down the scope with her left eye while being right handed, I'm fairly confident she still has her head turned to the side.

Well, IMO, it's hard to be so sure in one way or another here because...

- It's a game animation in a game which may not necessarily always be the best one at portraying proper way of handling firearms. There might be a chance that this is a little inaccuracy in what the proper movement and behaviour should look like. (I am not sure if it is a motion capture at all and even if it is, I am not sure if it is a mocap of somebody who knows how to do it.)

- She is aiming while moving back on the flying ship... The current disproportion between her right (aiming) eye and the gun might very well have been the result of both her and ship's shaking and instability... In other words, her weapon might have been deflected a little bit without her moving her head and / or trying to do something else than aiming at all. And IMO, based on how little she has been actually moving her head since 3:40, it is a more likely scenario.
 
However, that is not the actual point of my first post... The fact, that we are discussing whether, when and / or under what circumstances she can see and efficiently aim with her current hairstyle means, that something might not be allright with it. 

And this is my main point. I'm fairly confident that her hairstyle is limiting her field of view. I would say, even if she was not really trying to aim in that scene (and on those pictures) with her right eye (which I personally doubt that is the case), it would have been useful to keep the track of her weapon, weapon's sights and situation on the battlefield with the left one. At least with its peripheral vision. And I am convinced that her current haircut does not allow to do so or at least to do it in efficient way - the way somebody as professional as Ashley would have prefered.

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 01 septembre 2011 - 10:34 .