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[Myaku1313]

kidbd15 wrote...

The reasons behind hair above the collar do not apply in ME... Femshep uses so much gel, it's practically a helmet... doesn't move an inch, regardless of what happens, even with a rocket to her face.

With all the crap that get's fired at her do you think her gel is laced with Kevlar?

[Hathur]

Regarding the long hair & helmet issue... not sure it's really valid:

Pam Melroy


Joan Higginbotham


Sunita Williams


... and well the list goes on and on of female astronauts.. none of whom I've seen with anything shorter than base of the neck length hair... doesn't seem to affect the seals of their helmets whatsoever when they go into space (though, like the men, they wear a hood or cap that presses tightly against the head before putting on the actual helmet).

[Zkyire]

Hathur wrote...

Regarding the long hair & helmet issue... not sure it's really valid:

Pam Melroy


Joan Higginbotham


Sunita Williams


... and well the list goes on and on of female astronauts.. none of whom I've seen with anything shorter than base of the neck length hair... doesn't seem to affect the seals of their helmets whatsoever when they go into space (though, like the men, they wear a hood or cap that presses tightly against the head before putting on the actual helmet).

Except those are modern helmets which are very large.

The helmets in Mass Effect are much smaller and form-fitting.

So it doesn't really compare.

[Leonia]

It's totally possible to pull one's hair up when wearing a helmet, not that hard. Braiding isn't too hard nor is pulling it up in a ponytail or bun.

And those are some sexy astronauts!

[Iakus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

That depends on what she is doing. Remember special operatives are allowed to carry themselves in a nearly civilian manner to add another layer of defense to their true jobs. Today is only males, but in ME Ashley most likely let it grow for several reason... which hopefully Bioware will explain and will be sound.

Well, at the time she was firing an assault rifle.  And while it is possible that her current career direction could warrant a change in hairstyles, must say that if the Council is using Ash for diplomatic missions, her talents are sadly being wasted 

And I don't think her hair has grown, it's just being worn loose.  Recall in the first two games she wore it in a bun.  Very practical

[Zkyire]

leonia42 wrote...

It's totally possible to pull one's hair up when wearing a helmet, not that hard. Braiding isn't too hard nor is pulling it up in a ponytail or bun.

And those are some sexy astronauts!

Yes it is entirely possible. But not practical. In an emergency situation where every second counts, you don't want to waste valuable seconds getting your hair tied up so it can fit in the helmet.

[medcsu]

[quote]medcsu wrote...

The person with the least amount of both leeway and liberty now adays is the white male. [/quote]

Are you serious here?

[/quote]

Very much so.
[/quote]

Wow

Are you by any chance a white male?  Just a shot in the dark.

Also, here's a little something about male privilege.

[/quote]

Because you are obviously ignorant to the ways of the working world, I will enlighten you (which any normal person would have asked to begin with - I reckon you yourself are more of the assumption type)

1) White Males fill no quota for educational standards. ie: Colleges do not look at them as a combination needed to fulfill new age requirements (for example, schools need a certain amount of blacks, hispanic females, etc)

2) White Males do not ever have any chance or gaining any sort of social welfare benefit even if they are the leading parental unit and/or have sole custody of the child. Females, on the other hand (and this is 75% taken advantage of by either African American, Hispanic, or Illegal Alien hispanic(s)

3) As #1, white males do not fit into any hiring category at any large firm/company. For example, when filling out paperwork, do you see any option (on any paperwork for that matter) that specifically says "white AND male"? No, you see Hispanic female/male, African American female/male, but never the "white male" combination.

4) White males are always targeted for being racist if they do not agree with current policy or the opinion of someone that is not a white male. For example, if I said the President was horrible, many would automatically assume I am racist without even knowing what the word means. In this, white males are constantly discriminated against. This isnt 1950, it is now, and this is fact. In fact, many believe that white males are the ONLY source that CAN be racist.

5) Housing costs can be minimized for other combinations. For example, Section 8 housing and/or new homeowners. If you are latino and or african american, you can apply for larger loan status based on those combinations.

Like I said (and there are more examples), white males are EASILY the combination that gains the least amount of leeway and liberty now adays and it is unfortunate for those young men trying to make something of themselves. I feel bad for them constantly in this bad economy.
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That is a totally twisted perception of how the world works. There are so many ways I can take this notion that White Males are soo disadvantaged and render it invalid. 

Problem 1: You premise does not address the fact that institionalized racism/sexism practiced in virtually all major institutions. (public and private) The Old boys club is very much relavent in mordern society. There appears to be this myth that when the Civil Rights movement "Succeded" that racism went away. Whether or not you want to admit that the World (or the US specifically) is not a Meritocracy. That is another fallacy.

Problem 2: It's is a fact that when you compare the proportion of minorities that are impovershed/under-employed/unemployed to whites, minorities fare much worse. (even though there are more whites that are fairing poorly) Having said that, crying about Affirmative action and quota systems being unfair when the reality shows that that A) It certainly has not affected the unemployment/promotion rates of minorities and women. The above mentioned Old Boys Club has used their own version of Affirmative Action to put people in positions of power when they are as far from qualified from taking. Steve Forbes by his own admission was a D/F student that miraculously got into Princeton. George W. Bush (by his own admission) got into Yale and was a C student. This is a fact no matter what. The Wealthy and the connected are always the primary beneficiaries of the best education and Career regardless on their merit. (or as is often the case lack of Merit) 

Problem 3: Racism in US is one of the most destructive, counterproductive mentalities to have no matter what race/ethnic group you come from. That being said, RACISM IS VERY MUCH ALIVE!! There is nothing more aggrivating when people seem to think that white racism is a thing of the past. Just because there hasn't been a rash of lynchings doesn't mean that the mentality of racists vanished. The fact that you seem to think that only Black people can criticize (with impunity) the President is fallacious at best. I can give you a Laundry list of individuals who have valid, substantive greivences with President Obama and his Administration. I fear that you might be trying to make the reverse racism fallacy. Don't. It doesn't make any logical sense.

To me it seems like you think that (geneally) the powerless in America are somehow a protected, priviledged that inexplicably reaps all the benefits of Government handouts. Which is a laughable notion. The truly powerful in this Country (and the World at large) are the Wealthy and has always been the most powerful. The notion that minorities and women are somehow protected is just BS Propaganda used to divide working class people along racial and gender lines. 
[/quote]

1) What does this have to do with anything? State actual statistics if you want to use this excuse. In fact, I'll give you that you are right on this (because you are, it DOES happen). However, the "Old Boys" club? Is that your response to (seemingly) every statement? Please give me a webpage to the 'old boys" club so I can view what they stand for, and who they are exactly. Is this a conspiracy theory? Anyhow, I will patiently wait for you to give me a heads up on these good old boys because if you know this much about them....you are amazing.

2) You bring up....again (sigh)....the Good Old Boys club again. Do you have any SOLID backup to your statements? Oh...you brought up W. He got a "C" while IN COLLEGE. That had nothing to do with being accepted into Yale, now did it? Your point thus becomes moot since we are speaking of getting INTO the college in question, not their GPA therein.

3) You claim my statement is fallacious, at best? Interesting considering your first two statements were filled with it in regards to a mystical "club" of no name white men. Racism is alive? Sure, I'll say it is, but the white male is MUCH more often than not the one being blamed. I will say that it is the WHITE MALE that endures the most discrimination. For what I listed in my original list. Facts are facts and they do NOT gain any sort of advantage (unless they work hard - which is GOOD) and they are constantly blamed for being a racist if they do not agree. I will flip the script. Those who think the white male is inherently racist are racist(s) themselves.

4) Please explain how minorities and women are not protected.

You seem very fanatical about your opinions. I respect that actually, I really do. However, using fake groups like "good old boys", or making claim that minorities and women arent protected is laughable as they are considerably MORE protected then the white male.

[Kyria Nyriese]

OK haven't read the entire thread, not going too, the equality debate seems to have derailed the actual thread.

Now for the hair issue, with Shepard, it really depends on how you perceive your Shepard. My Shepards are military and therefore I go with short hair cuts, as I wear myself, and as I wore when I was in the military. Now on to Ash, my impression was that she was military to the core, therefore, I can not see her having her hair down. As for long, well she had it long in ME, it was in a bun. I would figure that she would still have it in a bun, at least when she is on duty.

That's my 2 cents on the hair thing.

Now drop the equality fight or take it to another board this is about a game not politics.

[Captain Crash]

 

Well I thought this thread getting slightly back on track with the talk of space helmets.   I guess I assumed to much...

[VelvetStraitjacket]

BSN makes me miss the times when women weren't allowed in the army. No ****ing about hairstyles, high heels and other **** like that. Yes, I went there.

[Spartas Husky]

Hathur wrote...

Regarding the long hair & helmet issue... not sure it's really valid:
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And those woman are rolling, firing, getting fired at, running and 100 other different body movements at the same time?

No offense but if your going to post something to foward your view dont look at one aspect of it.

I could post photos of women in combat and most would have buns or tiedup hair, wouldn't mean loose hair doesn't have a place and time.

Also those are photos.

iakus wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

That depends on what she is doing. Remember special operatives are allowed to carry themselves in a nearly civilian manner to add another layer of defense to their true jobs. Today is only males, but in ME Ashley most likely let it grow for several reason... which hopefully Bioware will explain and will be sound.

Well, at the time she was firing an assault rifle.  And while it is possible that her current career direction could warrant a change in hairstyles, must say that if the Council is using Ash for diplomatic missions, her talents are sadly being wasted 

And I don't think her hair has grown, it's just being worn loose.  Recall in the first two games she wore it in a bun.  Very practical

Remember back then she was in duty when we first saw her, and I'd think it would be too much to have both hairstyles.

I dont know why it would matter really. Men in special ops may have the hair long if they wis., not many do for practical reasons, but when it comes to "blending" or when it comes to making yourself seem more "friendly" to whatever group your visiting a more "layed" back style might help as well.


Without bringing Ashley's qualifications into the matter, we dont know when we meet ashley what she is doing. we dont know if that will be her hairstyle during the entire game or if at some points we will see her back with the bun. Again it's the circumstances she is in that warrants a bun.

Personally for example, putting aside technicalities; I'd prefer Miri to have a bun with helmet outside the normandy, and have her hair free onboard.
. I like women with their hair loose  But most importantly it gives a sense of depth. having one style 100% just makes em less real.

I like caps, but I dont wear them all the time, same thing for a bun on a woman's hair, when its practical its used, if not then its personal preference.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 30 août 2011 - 11:08 .

[Zanallen]

Um, femShep is no longer alliance military. She became a Spectre, then died and then joined a terrorist organization.

[HiroVoid]

Style vs practicality. Imagine if when making Star Wars someone went 'Hey. How can human arms possibly be quick enough to deflect laser blasts?'

[lovgreno]

I just love a woman with long hair but I also love women who look tough and professional. So, free hair off duty and a bun or something on duty should do it for me.

[Dean_the_Young]

lovgreno wrote...

I just love a woman with long hair but I also love women who look tough and professional. So, free hair off duty and a bun or something on duty should do it for me.

I will say that there are as few things as attractive a woman in a no-nonsense bun letting down her hair in preparation for some real nonsense fun.

[lovgreno]

You read my mind Dean.

[Spartas Husky]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

I just love a woman with long hair but I also love women who look tough and professional. So, free hair off duty and a bun or something on duty should do it for me.

I will say that there are as few things as attractive a woman in a no-nonsense bun letting down her hair in preparation for some real nonsense fun.

amen

[TheKillerAngel]

This thread needs a locking.

[Iakus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Remember back then she was in duty when we first saw her, and I'd think it would be too much to have both hairstyles.

I dont know why it would matter really. Men in special ops may have the hair long if they wis., not many do for practical reasons, but when it comes to "blending" or when it comes to making yourself seem more "friendly" to whatever group your visiting a more "layed" back style might help as well.

I was actually referring to the ME3 demo, when she was firing an assault rifle while her hair was falling into her eye.  I have no problem with hair in noncombat situations, but when the bullets start flying I'd prefer my soldier (of either gender) to be able to see where they're putting the bullets 

Without bringing Ashley's qualifications into the matter, we dont know when we meet ashley what she is doing. we dont know if that will be her hairstyle during the entire game or if at some points we will see her back with the bun. Again it's the circumstances she is in that warrants a bun.

Personally for example, putting aside technicalities; I'd prefer Miri to have a bun with helmet outside the normandy, and have her hair free onboard.
. I like women with their hair loose  But most importantly it gives a sense of depth. having one style 100% just makes em less real.

I like caps, but I dont wear them all the time, same thing for a bun on a woman's hair, when its practical its used, if not then its personal preference.

You're right.  We don't know.  Nor do we know if her outfit or hair will change over the course of the game.   Loose hair on board, bun in combat would be the best of all possible worlds.  But Bioware's last couple of games have had a distinct "You'll take out style and like it" philosophy to them.

Modifié par iakus, 31 août 2011 - 02:00 .

[Sesshomaru47]

They have headache from wearing their hair in a tight bun for so many years. Who honestly cares how either of them have their hair. I hope the hairstyle isn't the defining thing about ME3...then maybe it's like that possessed hair in Naruto..it may well be.

[Biotic Sage]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

They have headache from wearing their hair in a tight bun for so many years. Who honestly cares how either of them have their hair. I hope the hairstyle isn't the defining thing about ME3...then maybe it's like that possessed hair in Naruto..it may well be.

Humans have it.  Asari don't.

[Spartas Husky]

iakus wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Remember back then she was in duty when we first saw her, and I'd think it would be too much to have both hairstyles.

I dont know why it would matter really. Men in special ops may have the hair long if they wis., not many do for practical reasons, but when it comes to "blending" or when it comes to making yourself seem more "friendly" to whatever group your visiting a more "layed" back style might help as well.

I was actually referring to the ME3 demo, when she was firing an assault rifle while her hair was falling into her eye.  I have no problem with hair in noncombat situations, but when the bullets start flying I'd prefer my soldier (of either gender) to be able to see where they're putting the bullets 

Without bringing Ashley's qualifications into the matter, we dont know when we meet ashley what she is doing. we dont know if that will be her hairstyle during the entire game or if at some points we will see her back with the bun. Again it's the circumstances she is in that warrants a bun.

Personally for example, putting aside technicalities; I'd prefer Miri to have a bun with helmet outside the normandy, and have her hair free onboard.
. I like women with their hair loose  But most importantly it gives a sense of depth. having one style 100% just makes em less real.

I like caps, but I dont wear them all the time, same thing for a bun on a woman's hair, when its practical its used, if not then its personal preference.

You're right.  We don't know.  Nor do we know if her outfit or hair will change over the course of the game.   Loose hair on board, bun in combat would be the best of all possible worlds.  But Bioware's last couple of games have had a distinct "You'll take out style and like it" philosophy to them.

bioware last few games when it comes to hair seems to indicacte your right. Not sure not sure. I hope the time u saw her when the ullets were flying is maybe because she was caught offguard who knows.

[Iakus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

bioware last few games when it comes to hair seems to indicacte your right. Not sure not sure. I hope the time u saw her when the ullets were flying is maybe because she was caught offguard who knows.

Normandy Rescue

Starting around 3:35.  Granted it's just a few seconds, but during that time you can't see the left side of her face at all, really.  

[Sharn01]

I didnt realize you knew all the rules and regulations of the alliance military. This is not a real military organization that exists today, we dont know all the rules they have, and for the record, women in today's military do not need to keep their hair short. If its long it needs to be kept above the collar while they are on duty, they can do whatever they want with it off duty, I was stationed with a female MP who had waist length hair and simply tied it up when in uniform.

Modifié par Sharn01, 31 août 2011 - 03:46 .