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[esper]

You won't get the glowy kiss, but you will get a different one where Fenris says that he has been thinking of youl.

[Gervaise]

Tried that but didn't get the heart icon and he just toasts me as his good friend. Something definitely went wrong back with the Isabella thing. So have reloaded to before it happened and will just have to turn her down without sleeping with her and see if that works. I never had these problems with my first girl Hawke and I seem to recall we did do the Questioning Beliefs after Bitter Pill because initially we had been on rivalry path and then it reversed back the other way, so it took most of Act 2 to get to the point where Questioning Beliefs triggered. After that I think he just turned up at my mansion and basically said do you want me to stay or don't you? And most of the way through the story she had flirted with both Anders and Fenris, although she backed offer Anders after he nearly killed Ella. But as a hetro girl she had never flirted with Bella. I just wish the heart icons would disappear from a character's options if you are not in with a chance, so you realise a bit sooner if you have done something wrong. Also it would be helpful if you didn't have to continually click on heart to keep the romance going because occasionally another response might seem more appropriate to the character. Ditto sometimes the heart option is the best response - like with Isabella and her ship - saying the stuff about look below decks could come just as easily from your "gay" friend as not, because it is banter but will avoid it like the plague now.

[Alex_Narciso]

Well, I managed to sleep with every possible option during one playthrough. What mattered was appriopate order of companions. Firstly Merril and breaking up after sex, secondly fling with Isabela, thirdly Anders and breaking up after sex and finally Fenris, with whom you can stay in relationship or not. So it seems that you can sleep with three options before getting Fenris, when you play cards right.

[esper]

Gervaise wrote...

Tried that but didn't get the heart icon and he just toasts me as his good friend. Something definitely went wrong back with the Isabella thing. So have reloaded to before it happened and will just have to turn her down without sleeping with her and see if that works. I never had these problems with my first girl Hawke and I seem to recall we did do the Questioning Beliefs after Bitter Pill because initially we had been on rivalry path and then it reversed back the other way, so it took most of Act 2 to get to the point where Questioning Beliefs triggered. After that I think he just turned up at my mansion and basically said do you want me to stay or don't you? And most of the way through the story she had flirted with both Anders and Fenris, although she backed offer Anders after he nearly killed Ella. But as a hetro girl she had never flirted with Bella. I just wish the heart icons would disappear from a character's options if you are not in with a chance, so you realise a bit sooner if you have done something wrong. Also it would be helpful if you didn't have to continually click on heart to keep the romance going because occasionally another response might seem more appropriate to the character. Ditto sometimes the heart option is the best response - like with Isabella and her ship - saying the stuff about look below decks could come just as easily from your "gay" friend as not, because it is banter but will avoid it like the plague now.

You don't always have to click on the hearts - only certain hearts icons. I don't know which they are in Fenris romance, though, because I only did it once so you will have to ask for expert advise in the Fenris forum.

But I know for Anders that I skipped several of his firsts heart icons because saying men with are dark past is sexy, or Justice got a nice body, or hurt me I might like it, is not something my Hawke would do. 

For Fenris I think you have to take the first heart icon in his act 2 intro quest and of course the two heart icons in his question belief - and of course when he comes to you, beyond that I am not sure which are a mandatory heart. 

[Knight of Dane]

Alex_Narciso wrote...

Well, I managed to sleep with every possible option during one playthrough. What mattered was appriopate order of companions. Firstly Merril and breaking up after sex, secondly fling with Isabela, thirdly Anders and breaking up after sex and finally Fenris, with whom you can stay in relationship or not. So it seems that you can sleep with three options before getting Fenris, when you play cards right.

Wait.. This shouldn't be possible, Merrill and Anders are supposed to destroy every other romance after you sleep with them, even if you call them off afterwards..

[Alex_Narciso]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Wait.. This shouldn't be possible, Merrill and Anders are supposed to destroy every other romance after you sleep with them, even if you call them off afterwards..

Really? But maybe the case is that you do one romance, for example with Merill, you avoid flirting with the rest, then one night stand and telling her to go away. Then you start flirting with other companion in the same manner and so on.
Hmm, or maybe they destroy every other romance in a sense that you have romance tabula rasa and it enables you to start flirting with Fenris and eventually having sex with him. That would explain why option before Fenris should be Anders or Merill, not Isabella. 
Gosh, these romances in DA II are so complicated  (especially if you make your Hawke sex obsessed individual ).

[Knight of Dane]

No, I'm pretty sure even the developers have confirmed that Merrill and Anders intentionally shut down any other romance option if you sleep with them but each other...

The only way i have romanced everyone in act 2 is Fenirs->Isabela->Anders->Merrill where i didn't even speak to Merrill before i had done the others..
But perhaps you are right, if it's possible to shut it off with anders and go on with Merrill, why not Fenris and Bella too..

[esper]

I think that if you sleep with Anders and Merrill before activiating Isabella and Fenris (that means no talking to them at all in act two) you can do it.

[Heidenreich]

I've had that particular bug before as well. The best advice I can give you is to try these things.

1. Go do his Questioning Beliefs. If you get no final flirt option, then you need to go back before his A Bitter Pill and do it. If you need a friend/rival boost, make sure you give him his Act2 gift -- the book of shartan. It's in the alinage at night. If you haven't already done this, it may indeed push your friendship/rivalry up high enough to trigger the QB. Nine-times-out-of-ten doing his QB before his Act 2 main quest will sort out the bugs.

1a. Sometimes this will result in him leaving your house anyways after A Bitter Pill. This may be because you don't have "quite" enough friendship or rivalry to trigger the glowy scene, but he'll still show up at your house afterwards. Leave your house after Fenris leaves. Walk around Kirkwall in daylight, two or three different maps if necessary (hightown/lowtown/hanged man). Then go back to your house at night. You'll get the non-glowy, but still very sexy "Comand me to leave" scene.

2. If this doesn't do it, go back when 'bela shows up at your house and politely send her packing. Then trigger his QB. If you get no last flirt option, then go back to before you flirted with bela at all, and just pick a non-flirt. This will negate the problem all together.


Side-tricks to getting some extra rivalry or friendship before his quest:

Act2 gift quest
Take him to the fade, with out Merill or Varric. For Extra Friendship, bring anders and talk to torpor long enough for Anders to attack you. Then once he's dead, kill Torpor. For added Rivalry, Accept the deal with Torpor ( at least temporarily till you're finished freeing Feynriel from the two demon sides, then if you want you can tell Torpor to stuff it by telling Feynriel to wake up.;p This is a personal favorite thing of mine.)

Both the gift, and the extra after-the-fade-betrayal cut scene will give you points appropriate to the side of the slide you're on.

You can also go do Anders stuff first if you don't plan on romancing him or sleeping with him.. or keeping him. Take Fenris with you, and keep Anders from killing the girl (friendship)/don't stop him from killing the girl(rival). Then, send her back to the circle(friendship)/Send her outside of Kirkwall(rivalry)

[Gervaise]

Just thought I'd update on how it has worked for me. Went back and avoided going home for as long as possible. When I did and Bella showed up, I turned her down, but only after an awful moment when I was presented with 3 dialogue options, all hearts. Luckily the next stage was either to accept or turn down. Having taken the latter, I then went to Fenris and gave him his book so I had at least one flirt dialogue before Questioning Beliefs. Did Dissent as this was the only way I could get his friendship rating up the last notch. Got the +5 for saving Ella and managed to avoid losing it when setting Ella free of the circle by opting for the aggressive option - he's a demon - first. Now had sufficient points for Questioning Beliefs and all the right heart options came up, so I assume I am now back on track. I suppose I should have tried a second save to see if sleeping with Isabella, breaking it off and then following same route through also worked but frankly I'm just content to carry on from here. There is a certain satisfaction in not becoming a notch on Bella's conquest belt. She was not happy when I turned her down.

[Sabariel]

The fact that Fenris "leaves" for three years and there's little to no discussion about that and no discussion at all about what he remembered still bugs me...

[Ryzaki]

I'm sure a diplo Hawke mentions how the demon helps during Merrill's recruitment mission.

[TopcatPlayer]

my character was flirting with both Merril and Fenris but i ended up choosing Fenris. The flirts didn't seem to stop Fenris coming back to the relationship

[berelinde]

Sabariel wrote...

The fact that Fenris "leaves" for three years and there's little to no discussion about that and no discussion at all about what he remembered still bugs me...

This is just my take on it, but I find it more probable that the memory thing is just an excuse. OK, maybe Fenris did have a flash or two of his past life return, but that isn't the issue. If it was, he would be freaking out on Isabela, too, and they hook up with no kinks whatsoever. No, the real problem is that he finds himself becoming emotionally attached to Hawke and he cannot allow that. Nor can he talk about it, because he would rather Hawke think ill of him than expose that particular vulnerability. With Isabela, it's all about the sex with no need to bring feelings into it, so Fenris is fine.

Is that any better? Not really. He still abandons Hawke and refuses to discuss it. But it's a lot more plausible, and a lot more forgivable, especially for Hawkes who do wait.

[Hadea]

What I found odd while doing the Fenris romance is when Isabela would bring up Hawke's "relationship" with Fenris when Hawke's still in the flirting stage with him. I get the "So you and Fenris, eh" line. Made me wonder if Isabela had a low requirement for what constituted being an "item". I wished there was an option to say "Whoa, Isabela, where did you get that crazy idea?!"

[berelinde]

Yeah, I think Isabela's observations all defaut to Fenris. She's obsessed.

[Hadea]

So maybe it's a little wishful thinking in her part? 

Modifié par Hadea, 05 septembre 2011 - 02:02 .

[ThePhoenixKing]

I've always romanced Merrill, so it hasn't really been a problem for me. There are other romance options?

[Danathyr]

It is frustrating. It feels as if there is no way for your character to progress the relationships until you hit key points, which might be years apart. It doesn't feel natural to sleep with someone once, then forsake all others for years to be faithful to them, if they won't talk about the relationship. You could roleplay your character as obsessional, or perhaps just not interested in others, or secretly pining for your love interest and those would work, but I would have liked the option to play my character differently and still end up with the romance. It's too long a time. Weeks would work, but years doesn't, for me.

[Heidenreich]

Danathyr wrote...

It is frustrating. It feels as if there is no way for your character to progress the relationships until you hit key points, which might be years apart. It doesn't feel natural to sleep with someone once, then forsake all others for years to be faithful to them, if they won't talk about the relationship. You could roleplay your character as obsessional, or perhaps just not interested in others, or secretly pining for your love interest and those would work, but I would have liked the option to play my character differently and still end up with the romance. It's too long a time. Weeks would work, but years doesn't, for me.

This is why there are other love intrests. Fenris takes years, because he's not comfortable with himself enough to want a relationship. As Berelinde said, the memories line is a.. line. Yes sure that probably -did- happen, but a lot of the issue is Fenris is still a slave, and the idea of having a loving relationship isn't something he believes he deserves.It isn't until his master is litterally dead that he finally believes himself free, and in being free is even remotely worthy of a Hawke-that-would-romance-him.

If Hawke runs off with Anders or Bela or Merrill, then he see's this as natural, because to him Hawke is special and deserves to be happy with someone who's worthy of him/her. Which he pointedly believes isn't him. If he did believe i was him, and your hawke runs off afterwards to jump into Anders' arms, then the two of them would fight. Instead they do not , and Fenris only tells him that if he breaks his/her heart, that he'll kill him.

So if your Hawke can't wrap her head around not being intrested in anyone else, then be intrested in someone else. There's nothing wrong with that