BlaCKRodjj wrote...
The problem is that Throw Field is not a frontal wave with the efect of Throw, it's a pulse that pushes everything around. Besides, why does it matter? The whole point is just to knockdown enemies and killing them
No, throw is a Scalar feild made by a vector gravity feild generator. I'm say that ares throw has to null gravity to push people the way you want them and it clearly does not. So figuire is wrong in a normal gravity environment.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Their's always a center mass. Every thing has a center mass if it generates force. The object also have a center mass to take account of as well with gravity to consider. Throw is not a fgravity canceler like pull is, mean the onley way your figure is right is if the subject were floating.
You think that Biotic throw is a little mass vortex that has weight and that thrown enemies FEEL the impact of throw?
That's what area pull and area throw is for.D.Kain wrote...
BlaCKRodjj wrote...
The problem is that Throw Field is not a frontal wave with the efect of Throw, it's a pulse that pushes everything around. Besides, why does it matter? The whole point is just to knockdown enemies and killing them
Throwing a whole groop of a ledge would be awesome.
D.Kain wrote...
BlaCKRodjj wrote...
The problem is that Throw Field is not a frontal wave with the efect of Throw, it's a pulse that pushes everything around. Besides, why does it matter? The whole point is just to knockdown enemies and killing them
Throwing a whole groop of a ledge would be awesome.
Because that how gravity works. The easiest way to understand this is to play pool. When stacking the pool balls and hitting them with the cue ball, does every ball behind the first ball go the same direction?D.Kain wrote...
@dreman9999
Why do you think that gravity affects everybody at different angles??
Modifié par dreman9999, 29 août 2011 - 09:44 .
Reptillius wrote...
If he'd aimed at the front guy instead of the middle guy and a ledge was behind him. That's what he would have done. Thrown all 3 off.
But something to keep in mind. Pull is the equivelant of me walking over to you. Super human grabbing you by the front of your shirt and lifting you up to slowly drag you in one direction...
Throw is not. Throw is just raw aggressive force. It can in fact behave more like a grenade.
People say in ME1 they always just went away from you. This is true. But that depends on how the force hit them. More than once with clipping and a built up throw I instead threw a guy to the right or to the left instead.
in ME2 depending on how you tossed it you could get several affects from the same group of 3 imaginary guys he wants to all go backwards. I could actually knock the first two forwards if I so desired but it's still just a big hit of raw energy forcing the people away from where I want the throw to land. At most it'd be a field they were caught up in not trailing behind if we went more with what you wanted.
And shockwave was even more unpredictable actually. There are plenty of times where it would toss a guy forward. I had one land almost on top of me from it when I was hoping it'd knock him and his friend off a platform. i have more issues with shockwave throwing them around than I do area throw.
dreman9999 wrote...
Because that how gravity works. The easiest way to understand this is to play pool. When stacking the pool balls and hitting them with the cue ball, does every ball behind the first ball go the same direction?D.Kain wrote...
@dreman9999
Why do you think that gravity affects everybody at different angles??
And if you try to sink a ball in a sharp angle, does edging the ball not knock it that sharp direction?
Modifié par D.Kain, 29 août 2011 - 09:52 .
Modifié par Sojourner83, 29 août 2011 - 10:02 .
No, it not and even then the ball move in different directions.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Because that how gravity works. The easiest way to understand this is to play pool. When stacking the pool balls and hitting them with the cue ball, does every ball behind the first ball go the same direction?D.Kain wrote...
@dreman9999
Why do you think that gravity affects everybody at different angles??
And if you try to sink a ball in a sharp angle, does edging the ball not knock it that sharp direction?
Throw is an equivalent of putting a book ontop of all balls and move them all at once. Note that if one ball will be heavier it will move slower!
Throw is measure by newtons http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Throw.....It's a force.D.Kain wrote...
Reptillius wrote...
If he'd aimed at the front guy instead of the middle guy and a ledge was behind him. That's what he would have done. Thrown all 3 off.
But something to keep in mind. Pull is the equivelant of me walking over to you. Super human grabbing you by the front of your shirt and lifting you up to slowly drag you in one direction...
Throw is not. Throw is just raw aggressive force. It can in fact behave more like a grenade.
People say in ME1 they always just went away from you. This is true. But that depends on how the force hit them. More than once with clipping and a built up throw I instead threw a guy to the right or to the left instead.
in ME2 depending on how you tossed it you could get several affects from the same group of 3 imaginary guys he wants to all go backwards. I could actually knock the first two forwards if I so desired but it's still just a big hit of raw energy forcing the people away from where I want the throw to land. At most it'd be a field they were caught up in not trailing behind if we went more with what you wanted.
And shockwave was even more unpredictable actually. There are plenty of times where it would toss a guy forward. I had one land almost on top of me from it when I was hoping it'd knock him and his friend off a platform. i have more issues with shockwave throwing them around than I do area throw.
Yes now I exacly understand what you are talking about. Though I think it doesn't exacly work that way. I don't think that throw actually has force and that it is like wind that knocks the target and blows all others away. I think that the main thing is that it is about gravity, and that the projectile itself has no force.
dreman9999 wrote...
No, it not and even then the ball move in different directions.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Because that how gravity works. The easiest way to understand this is to play pool. When stacking the pool balls and hitting them with the cue ball, does every ball behind the first ball go the same direction?D.Kain wrote...
@dreman9999
Why do you think that gravity affects everybody at different angles??
And if you try to sink a ball in a sharp angle, does edging the ball not knock it that sharp direction?
Throw is an equivalent of putting a book ontop of all balls and move them all at once. Note that if one ball will be heavier it will move slower!
Sojourner83 wrote...
I see exactly what you're saying. From a lore perspective both Push and Pull Field should generate a 'wall' of biotic energy that uniformly moves targets within the affected area. From a gameplay perspective, a biotic thow should be aimed at an enemy, determine the targets within the affected radius, and throw them in a uniform manner away from the user.
When I envision this effect however not as a straight line, but more of slightly curved line with the Apex occuring in the center of the field.
Alternatively, there could be a new power that impacts a target then explodes outward to throw enemies in a circle outward from the target. The best way to compare what D. Kain is saying about Throw Field, and what I interpet from dremen9999 description, reminds me of The Force Unleashed Powers.
Biotic Repulse, you heard it here first.
dreman9999 wrote...
Throw is measure by newtons http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Throw.....It's a force.
Modifié par D.Kain, 29 août 2011 - 10:09 .
True, and they hit on another because they are moving. The direction they are going is becase of the book. So in the end the book cause the the balls to movemany directions.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
No, it not and even then the ball move in different directions.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Because that how gravity works. The easiest way to understand this is to play pool. When stacking the pool balls and hitting them with the cue ball, does every ball behind the first ball go the same direction?D.Kain wrote...
@dreman9999
Why do you think that gravity affects everybody at different angles??
And if you try to sink a ball in a sharp angle, does edging the ball not knock it that sharp direction?
Throw is an equivalent of putting a book ontop of all balls and move them all at once. Note that if one ball will be heavier it will move slower!
Balls move in different directions when they hit each other, still the force moves them in one direction. Wich means if both balls do not interact with each other they move in the same direction.
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So what? It's still a force. What you are discribing is still a force. Look it up..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForceD.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Throw is measure by newtons http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Throw.....It's a force.
It's a gravity force. You won't feel a biotic push, you would just feel that you are sudenly falling on the wall instead of ground.
Note that if it's not enough to fall on the wall, then you would feel as if you have just accelerated fast on a race car and you would be dragged to the wall, but you could still hold on, because the gravity is stronger.
dreman9999 wrote...
True, and they hit on another because they are moving. The direction they are going is becase of the book. So in the end the book cause the the balls to movemany directions.
Also, throw does not work like that.....Shock wave does.
Book makes them move in ONE direction! A book doesn't make the balls roll from underneath it in 360 degrees.
dreman9999 wrote...
So what? It's still a force. What you are discribing is still a force. Look it up..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForceD.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Throw is measure by newtons http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Throw.....It's a force.
It's a gravity force. You won't feel a biotic push, you would just feel that you are sudenly falling on the wall instead of ground.
Note that if it's not enough to fall on the wall, then you would feel as if you have just accelerated fast on a race car and you would be dragged to the wall, but you could still hold on, because the gravity is stronger.
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
The bigger thing that needs fixing would be that people wearing armor are unaffected by the gravitational shift.
Like a piece of metal makes one immune to a singularity.
But this isn't about lore, common sense, or SCIENCE!!!; it's about what's super-shiny-special-awesome and cool for gameplay.
Yes it does. But not the exact same direction. If it did, the ball will never hit one another.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
True, and they hit on another because they are moving. The direction they are going is becase of the book. So in the end the book cause the the balls to movemany directions.
Also, throw does not work like that.....Shock wave does.
How?
Shockwave doesn't do what you say. Shockwave works like a carpet, throwing everybody upwards and sideways! So basically shockwave works more like the throw you describe.
No it's not. If it where then the target would not fall so quickly. And it's measured by newtons.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
So what? It's still a force. What you are discribing is still a force. Look it up..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForceD.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Throw is measure by newtons http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Throw.....It's a force.
It's a gravity force. You won't feel a biotic push, you would just feel that you are sudenly falling on the wall instead of ground.
Note that if it's not enough to fall on the wall, then you would feel as if you have just accelerated fast on a race car and you would be dragged to the wall, but you could still hold on, because the gravity is stronger.
It still goes in one direction!
Throw IS a Pull, only reverse, without zero gravity and with raw force.
D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Throw is measure by newtons http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Throw.....It's a force.
It's a gravity force. You won't feel a biotic push, you would just feel that you are sudenly falling on the wall instead of ground.
Note that if it's not enough to fall on the wall, then you would feel as if you have just accelerated fast on a race car and you would be dragged to the wall, but you could still hold on, because the gravity is stronger.
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes it does. But not the exact same direction. If it did, the ball will never hit one another.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
True, and they hit on another because they are moving. The direction they are going is becase of the book. So in the end the book cause the the balls to movemany directions.
Also, throw does not work like that.....Shock wave does.
How?
Shockwave doesn't do what you say. Shockwave works like a carpet, throwing everybody upwards and sideways! So basically shockwave works more like the throw you describe.
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