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[Tao Drifter]

I rolled up a cleric to run through some quests and  took the knowledge domain in part for the identify spell (I really don't like paying 100 gp to identify items).  However every time I try and cast the spell I get a message "Failure-Object is not a valid target for this spell".  Is this a known issue or am I missing something? 

[Fester Pot]

Click on yourself, not the item.

FP!

[Lightfoot8]

Fester Pot wrote...

Click on yourself, not the item.

FP!

The spell will increese your lore skill.  after casting the spell you will then need to exsamin the item/ Items to identify them, for the duration of the spell.

[Tao Drifter]

Thanks for the help. It did work for one item, but I'm not getting the option to identify when I inspect an item. The only thing I can think is that maybe I don't have enough points in my lore skill to make it possible to identify the item. I have 5 points in lore atm. So with +10 Lore from spell, I think, that would make a lore of 15. I'm only in the goaler prison quest of vanillia, which seems that 15 would be enough to identify the level of items I'm finding. Does that sound right?

[Fester Pot]

You can only get the option when you inspect an item in a store, otherwise just looking at an item will use a Lore check - if you fail it, you cannot identify the item until you raise your lore skill or you visit a merchant.

FP!

[WhiZard]

Fester Pot wrote...

You can only get the option when you inspect an item in a store, otherwise just looking at an item will use a Lore check - if you fail it, you cannot identify the item until you raise your lore skill or you visit a merchant.

FP!

Just to clarify there is no die roll when identifying an object.  Either your lore is high enough to identify the object or it isn't.

[WhiZard]

Double post, seems like the site was slow to update with my response

Modifié par WhiZard, 03 septembre 2011 - 01:06 .

[WhiZard]

Double post

Modifié par WhiZard, 03 septembre 2011 - 01:05 .

[HipMaestro]

The Identify Lore boost is based on caster level (10+level) so you may want to "waste" an attempt by opening up your skill sheet and seeing just how high it is boosting it.  You can also pre-buff with Fox's (empowered, if you have it) before using the Identify spell.  Just for reference... Lore 15 will i.d. properties up to 13K in value, Lore 17 up to 20K, etc.  Depending on the Clvl & class of your PC the item seeding will produce items with better props (and sometimes class-specific ones) on them as your level goes up.  A lot depends on whether the designer increased the default value for some reason, though probably not likely in one of standard campaigns.

It does seem strange, though, that in Ch 1 of the OC  you would be finding any item that would be that good in the boss chests.

edit: also, just as a tip:  since the i.d. duration is so short, it is handy to pile all the un-i.d'd items on a single sheet of your inventory, very close together, and then as soon as the spell takes effect start clicking on the Identify button of each but don't waste any time staring at the result, just move on to the next one.  I usually can i.d. about 5 items with a single cast that way. Any that don't i.d. I know I will need either higher Lore or a merchant.

Modifié par HipMaestro, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:21 .

[Wids]

edit: also, just as a tip:  since the i.d. duration is so short, it is handy to pile all the un-i.d'd items on a single sheet of your inventory, very close together, and then as soon as the spell takes effect start clicking on the Identify button of each but don't waste any time staring at the result, just move on to the next one.  I usually can i.d. about 5 items with a single cast that way. Any that don't i.d. I know I will need either higher Lore or a merchant.

A man after my own heart.  That's what I do, except if I have a ton of items to be IDed, I'll put the Examine command into my F12 quickslot.  Then with my right hand on the mouse, my left hand on the F12 and Enter keys and the Lore potion (or other magic item which casts Identify) on the same inventory page as all my bunched-together unidentified items, I go to work.  F12, click an item, Enter (to close the Description immediately), F12, click the next item, Enter, F12, click the next item....

You can identify seven or eight items with a single Lore potion or Identify cast that way, if you're quick about it.  And like you said, don't bother to read the item descriptions while you're identifying them; there will be plenty of time to go back and do that after Identify wears off.

Also, in the unlikely event that you have too many unidentified items to fit on one inventory page (ie. six un-IDed tower shields), don't forget that the bracket keys ( [ and ] ) cycle through the pages of your inventory.  So that's something else that your left hand can do while you're on an item-identifying frenzy, if that rare need arises.

Modifié par Wids, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:30 .

[Kail Pendragon]

If you are playing SP then you can pause the game and identify everything without rushing.

[WebShaman]

^ *chuckles*

Man, that is puuuuure gold! Just imagining those trying to frantically ID as many items as they can before the effect wears off...knowing all the time that they could just pause the game!

I think I just spit my beer on my screen!

[Kail Pendragon]

Priceless, ain't it?

[Wids]

Kail Pendragon wrote...

If you are playing SP then you can pause the game and identify everything without rushing.

Single Player?  What is this "single player" of which you speak?  <_<

[HipMaestro]

Kail Pendragon wrote...

Priceless, ain't it?

Ackkk... Kail!
You spoiled my ultimate test of supreme reflexes!  Now I get Timestop without even a single level in sorc or wiz!

[philty_]

A cheap way to be able to identify almost anything witout even spending one pt in Lore is to keep a couple of rings of insight with you.. This is good for up to your level 9 or so (ie, end of chapter 1 in OC).

My Orc Barbarian only has 5 pts in Lore as part of the RDD reqs, and his Intel is 6 (so -2 to Lore). Even with a +1 for 1 lvl of Bard that means he has Lore = 4. BUT the two rings take this to 14. In other words, he can identify anything till almost end of chapter 2. By that time, you may have found a dozen potions of Lore, and now you can identify anything indeed (but then again imo this over-abundance of potions is an intentional designers flaw).

[Wids]

HipMaestro wrote...
Ackkk... Kail!
You spoiled my ultimate test of supreme reflexes!  Now I get Timestop without even a single level in sorc or wiz!

...except that with actual Timestop, you get to run around and cast Meteor Swarm while mass-identifying all the stuff in your backpack.  

philty wrote...

A cheap way to be able to identify almost anything witout even spending one pt in Lore is to keep a couple of rings of insight with you.. This is good for up to your level 9 or so (ie, end of chapter 1 in OC).

My Orc Barbarian only has 5 pts in Lore as part of the RDD reqs, and his Intel is 6 (so -2 to Lore). Even with a +1 for 1 lvl of Bard that means he has Lore = 4. BUT the two rings take this to 14. In other words, he can identify anything till almost end of chapter 2. By that time, you may have found a dozen potions of Lore, and now you can identify anything indeed (but then again imo this over-abundance of potions is an intentional designers flaw).

Try the Multiplayer servers.  On some of them, you can go weeks or even months without seeing a Lore potion or a Ring of Insight.  And on other servers, you might never see them at all.

So it seems that the DM teams of various servers agree with you: boosting Lore is too easy on Single Player, and each Multiplayer server is some DM team's sandbox, so one of the first things they do is put the clamps on stuff that should be uncommon but isn't uncommon in Single Player: Potions of Lore, Healer's Kits +10, any weapon or armor with more than a +3 enhancement, and so on.  Let the player characters seek out other player characters with different fields of expertise for a change.

The Pirate Isles server has a couple of shops that sell Lore potions, two shops that sell Rings of Insight +2 and no Rings of Insight more potent than that.  Lore potions aren't often found in the loot, and Rings of Insight aren't found in the loot at all.  On the other hand, you can bake fenberries into pies which bestow Fox's Cunning when eaten, and fenberries are as common as trees.  So that makes up for the lack of Lore potions and Insight rings.

(Getting a small shot of Experience everytime you bake a fenberry pie is just a bonus.  My cleric has leveled up by baking pies once or twice before, so clearly mighty Umberlee is appeased by her pie-baking prowess.   )

Modifié par Wids, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:51 .