Gnaeus Trebonius wrote...
Elywyn wrote...
I see you're against existince of magic.
Not necessarily. I'm just looking out for my fellow man.
The Baconer wrote...
Elywyn wrote...
@D.Kain I'm just say, as well as there are rules at online games. There are rules to encounter with mage at Lore. Just like there are rules to encounter a paladin or a tank-warrior or rogue both games and lore. At games there are for Each one of the have + and -.
Well, that's the thing. You can't just say 'but mages aren't going to be good up close'. Is it true that your average mage is going to be sub-par in melee? Certainly. The vast majority of them have spent their lives in the Circles and never received training for that.
On the flip side, if a mage decided to train themselves in more conventional warfare, there's nothing stopping them. Hell, they have tools at their disposal that they can make them above and beyond any mundane soldier you'd find on a battlefield, barring perhaps Templars. If they're a skilled warrior even without the magic, then they'd still be able to fight Templars evenly.
The Baconer wrote...
Gnaeus Trebonius wrote...
Elywyn wrote...
I see you're against existince of magic.
Not necessarily. I'm just looking out for my fellow man.
Empathy for your non-mage characters?
Modifié par Elywyn, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:21 .
Modifié par schalafi, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:21 .
As i cay early - from this point start social divercity, where humans became inferior low-life class. Mage are better then ordinary human, because he is human+. Same human, but with benefits. And it means that ordinary man can't compete to mage as equals, he always will be worse.Elywyn wrote...
Ollys wrote...
because the will became usualy people, but usualy people with additional powers and posibilities.
And what is wrong with that? As long as he proved himself an overseeing by someone some community. There is nothing wrong with that. There is no abuses there is no unfair compete. So, Mages can live ordinary life like anyone.
Modifié par Ollys, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:23 .
Elywyn wrote...
Gnaeus Trebonius wrote...
But you will need to have some kind of plan when all the Uldreds show up to grace your Magic School with their presence.
I was trying to say I dont know what you do to them. Kill them right there or imprisoned them or there was a way to take his power take it or just make tranquil.
Elywyn wrote...
Gnaeus Trebonius wrote...
Oh, but I can most certainly try.Elywyn wrote...
Yes. And you can be destroyed.
Elywyn wrote...
Even you succeed to execute there will be always new-borns. Even you succeed to imprison them like Circle system There will be always new Kirkwall "boom".
Modifié par Gnaeus Trebonius, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:31 .
Probably it will be some stupid happy end without any logic & common sence. Like with Alistair, who was absolutely awful candidate to the throne, but for some reason became a good king.Bioware really opened a can of worms with this game, and I wonder if they will ever offer a solution.
Modifié par Ollys, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:31 .
Ollys wrote...
Probably it will be some stupid happy end without any logic & common sence. Like with Alistair, who was absolutely awful candidate to the throne, but for some reason became a good king.Bioware really opened a can of worms with this game, and I wonder if they will ever offer a solution.
Ollys wrote...
As i cay early - from this point start social divercity, where humans became inferior low-life class. Mage are better then ordinary human, because he is human+. Same human, but with benefits. And it means that ordinary man can't compete to mage as equals, he always will be worse.
So what a reason to give freedom to mages and make new ruling class which will be above you? You don't think, what it is better for humans to oppress them before they have received new political status?
I can you cant throw someones rights -being normal- just for born talents. With effective law every problem can be solve.
Modifié par Elywyn, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:41 .
D.Kain wrote...
Tommy6860 wrote...
You can make up all kinds of excuses for the holes in the game. But that doesn't explain how one can buy mage's items in and around all of Kirkwall. Not only that, upon my arrival in Kirkwall, the first place I enter, is The Gallows, where a fight ensues when I trying to get into Kirkwall proper. Whether it is me or Bethany being a mage, we kill the enemies using magic, and nothing happens. And let's not forget about the mage Grace, who, even if you help to run
away in the "Act Of Mercy" quest, she is captured and you see her later on chatting it up with Templars in the gallows.
Yes well.. then it's a
Well we have two people. One of them mage, other are not.I can you cant throw someones rights -being normal- just for born talents.
Not every. In every system always will oppressed and oppressors, and one of them will be fight for rights. But when they got rights and power they will became a new oppressors because you can't make good for all. In fact good and evil is only point of view. Freedom fighters and patriots for one is a terrorists and radicals of others.With effective law every problem can be solve
Modifié par Ollys, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:09 .
UltiPup wrote...
Its not a plot hole. Game mechanics should not be considered part of the story. If we followed the plot to a T, then no one would be a mage. Even then, if you had to constantly watch yourself, you would never fight in front of templars, or anyone. No items for you, no anything. That is unfairly restricting a single class.
Modifié par mrcrusty, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:23 .
Ollys wrote...
Well we have two people. One of them mage, other are not.I can you cant throw someones rights -being normal- just for born talents.
It is obvious that one of them isn't normal. They too different, almost different kinds and both of them can't be a normal in same society.
In world of humans and Chantry mage will be a curse of Maker, vile heretical beast, who was born as an awful mutant.
In world of wizards ordinary human will be inferior untermench, mistake of a nature, who was born as an cripple.
Not every. In every system always will oppressed and oppressors, and one of them will be fight for rights. But when they got rights and power they will became a new oppressors because you can't make good for all. In fact good and evil is only point of view. Freedom fighters and patriots for one is a terrorists and radicals of others.With effective law every problem can be solve
Not every. In every system always will oppressed and oppressors, and one of them will be fight for rights. But when they got rights and power they will became a new oppressors because you can't make good for all. In fact good and evil is only point of view. Freedom fighters and patriots for one is a terrorists and radicals of others.With effective law every problem can be solve
Modifié par Elywyn, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:28 .
Elywyn wrote...
Yes, I see. nobody is equal if we look from that point of view.
"Solve" was wrong word, I think. *can under-control. Alas, that depends to another elements how much it will be under-controlled.
Modifié par D.Kain, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:28 .
mrcrusty wrote...
Gameplay/Story segregation is the bane of RPGs.
mrcrusty wrote...
Gameplay/Story segregation is the bane of RPGs.
Because lirium is a rare material. Blood is not. For example, now i enjoy good bacon and I don't worry that some piggy was killed on a slaughterhouse for it. Usually life of slaves appreciated no more then animals. So what for to spend money and to enter commercial relations with greedy dwarves if you you can kill couple of elves and do magic without any lirium potions? More slaves = more magic. Also they can use brute force and conquer Orzammar for lirium mines. No matter - human, mage, elves or some wild barbarians - strong and consolidate state always have a profit.Well then here is a question for you. Do you think that if a person can get anything his/her heart desires without oppresing others, they would still opress? I think that in a mage society wealth won't be needed for ones hapiness, because one can stay alive and well just depending on magic. A mage can survive in wilderness, because a mage has those nature claws ( magic ), that people lack and have to build, but there are not enough materials for everybody to have the same quality claws, yet a mage has those by nature. You get what I'm saying? A mage could live happy, without having those problems that regular people have. So basically all a mage society has to do is to deffend against other countries, but doesn't have the NEED to inslave anybody for their hapiness.
I actually think that what Tevinter does is a bit of a plothole, I don't know WHY would mages need slaves, or wealth, when they have magic.
Bah, almost 7 AM here.Well, It's 5 AM here. And I must sleep now. Tomorrow will be a big day.
Modifié par Ollys, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:41 .
D.Kain wrote...
mrcrusty wrote...
Gameplay/Story segregation is the bane of RPGs.
You can always play D&D with your trusted friends, that usually don't care if you are stronger or weaker, as long as it is a good story and everything goes along good.
Zanallen wrote...
Lol, true. That being said, having a story that truly works with mages within the lore would be completely beyond anything Bioware has done before. They would either have to cut mages as a playable class, offer a weak compromise within the game (being a warden in Origins or buying a license or whatever it was in BG2) or make the game reactive enough to wear it would almost be an entirely different game depending on whether or not you were a mage.
Modifié par mrcrusty, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:51 .
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
The solution is to fulfil Sandal's prophecy and have everyone become a mage, as Nature intended.
Then people can get on to the more common but ever popular racial wars, religious wars, squabbling over borders, fist-fights over who won the football game, and also getting eaten by demons.
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