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[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

The Templars wont be able to get to the Saarebas, since the actual Qunari army is going to slaughter the Templars.

You know that for certain then? 

Yes. If the Qunari can beat the living crap out of Thedas' armies, the Templars are going to get the same treatment. Against anything but a mage, a Templar is simply a dude in plate armor.

[dragonflight288]

Yes. If the Qunari can beat the living crap out of Thedas' armies, the Templars are going to get the same treatment. Against anything but a mage, a Templar is simply a dude in plate armor.

With military training, high quality armor, and a religous ferver bordering on stupidly insane. And a large force spread across Thedas. They are an army unto themselves.

I think they just splinter into various groups when it comes to fighting the mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Still doesn't matter. They are inferior fighters compared to Qunari. I takes 7+ trained, armed and armored men to take downa single unarmored Qunari warrior. If the Qunari warrior actually also gets his armor, whatever army is facing them, better hope they outnumber the Qunari with more than 7:1.

[Wulfram]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Still doesn't matter. They are inferior fighters compared to Qunari. I takes 7+ trained, armed and armored men to take downa single unarmored Qunari warrior.

Do you have a source for that?

[EmperorSahlertz]

In Hightown during the Qunari fight, you can see a lone dead Qunari surrounded by 6 dead guardsmen. Positioned to obviously show that they have been fighting that exact Qunari.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Still doesn't matter. They are inferior fighters compared to Qunari. I takes 7+ trained, armed and armored men to take downa single unarmored Qunari warrior. If the Qunari warrior actually also gets his armor, whatever army is facing them, better hope they outnumber the Qunari with more than 7:1.

That's the town guard. They aren't professional soldiers, nor are they particularly good at fighting professional soldiers.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Still doesn't matter. They are inferior fighters compared to Qunari. I takes 7+ trained, armed and armored men to take downa single unarmored Qunari warrior. If the Qunari warrior actually also gets his armor, whatever army is facing them, better hope they outnumber the Qunari with more than 7:1.

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Every Qunari warrior is trained from the time they are in diapers, if Sten's conversations in origins are anything to go by.  So not only are the bigger, they live their whole lives as soldiers. Where as most Theodosians join their respective militaries when they are adults, or close to it, and do not spend their existance being a soldier.

Which is one of the major reasons why Thedas depends on mages in fighting off the Qunari.

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Why? Because their magic is capable of dealing with the advanced
technology of the Qunari? Because, according to Gentivi's historic
account, the Circle mages were better at magic than their Qunari
counterparts? I don't see why the mages would need to return to
servitude, or anything that would compel every mage across the continent
to go back to living under the heel of the templars and the Chantry.

The mages in the previous exalted marches were backed by armies and unfied. The rebelling mages are not unified and ..well they may be backed by armys but not unified armies, They also would have had tacticians giving battle strategies to them to use in the war, they all wouldn't have just stood around randomly and fired at will. The Circle mages have about 0% knowledge of battle tactics and most probably havn't fought in their entire life. They wont be anywhere near as effective as they were in the exalted marches.

The Qunari are expert battle strategists and highly trained with overwhealming numbers - Their technology can be countered by the mages they have had 200 years to better it and train their mages better but 200 years isn't enough to give them a significant advantage on that specific front methinks. Still If the mages were fighting the Qunari themselves they'd be slaughtered. If they were fighting with nations at their back then they will fair better but said nations will have to work togeather and not just with the mages.

If fighting the Qunari but at the same time the Templars and refusing to submit to either then The mages will probably get little support - Rivain to hard to tell whether they'd support mages or the Qun they seem good on both. Probably the Qun though since thats where the qunari would focus first as they did before.

Nevarra wanting to bring down Orlais's power.

Free Marches.. Maybe a few city states, that place would be a mess though thats for certain Kirkwall seems to remain under templar control after DA2 with them sending another bunch there to maintain order. Starkhaven if Sebastian goes on to become Prince would most likely support the Templars as well.

Ferelden - To hard to tell atm. Dispite the mages having the support of the ferelden monarchy with the way ferelden government is set up The Monarchy would still need the support of the nobility which isn't guarenteed. A few of them are Orlesian nobles remaining from the occupation acording to The Stolen throne as well so they would support the templars. Not everyone would be backing the Monarchy so its to hard to tell at the moment.

So 2 countrys and a few city states maybe to fight against the Qunari.. I dont like those odds one bit. Of course everyone would be fighting the Qunari but if they dont cease fighting amongst each-other as well and dont unify it will be a mess and they would still most likely loose

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Still doesn't matter. They are inferior fighters compared to Qunari. I takes 7+ trained, armed and armored men to take downa single unarmored Qunari warrior. If the Qunari warrior actually also gets his armor, whatever army is facing them, better hope they outnumber the Qunari with more than 7:1.

That's the town guard. They aren't professional soldiers, nor are they particularly good at fighting professional soldiers.

The Kirkwall Guard is the Kirkwall military. Read the codex.

[Augustei]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Still doesn't matter. They are inferior fighters compared to Qunari. I takes 7+ trained, armed and armored men to take downa single unarmored Qunari warrior. If the Qunari warrior actually also gets his armor, whatever army is facing them, better hope they outnumber the Qunari with more than 7:1.

That's the town guard. They aren't professional soldiers, nor are they particularly good at fighting professional soldiers.

Avelines codexs suggest she turns the guard into an elite force that can easily give a Fereldan battalion a run for their coin.

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...
With the right leadership, the mages can win. It comes down to a matter of leadership.

Unless the mages all instictly unite by all the circles going to one place somehow for some reason Even a great leader wont be enough to save the mages.

LobselVith8 wrote...
So your entire premise is basically that the Qunari "probably" outnumber
the mages? If the mages hold back and let the templars and the
Andrastian armies fight the Qunari back and forth until both sides have
been weakened greatly, would the mages still lose in your scenerio?

Yes they would probably still loose, The Qunari would defeat the Templars and Andrastian armys and them move south to take out the mages who would still be vastly outnumbered and incapable of countering the Qunaris superior battle strategy.. Even with the united thedas armies and mages fighting them The Qunari weren't effected by casualties to badly according to Genetivi - it was the fact the war was so damaging to the local Rivanis. But the casualty rate for the Qunari against the Andrastian nations wont be to damaging to their efforts anyway i'd think.

LobselVith8 wrote...
Fighting a war with rebel templars and the Andrastian nations will
be taxing to the Qunari. It's not as though a fight with the mages will
be at full strength - they will need to devote their resources to
dealing with the human armies and the multitude of nations that will try
to prevent their expansion. It's not like there isn't a historic
precedent for small forces defeating large armies.

With Thedas so  disunified I doubt the Qunari will struggle - I mean they took Par Vollen, Seheron, Half of Tevinter, Rivain, Antiva, and Part of the Free Marches with extreme ease and it was seemingly barely taxing to them at all. Plus besides lives the Qunari system is set up so that they dont have currency so there is no financial concern for them only resource distribution

Sajuro wrote...
The Qunari are also at war with Tevinter still if I'm not mistaken, so they aren't at their strongest anyways

According to Fenris the Qunari have been holding back their forces and simply building up their armies as they only truely wanted Seheron and if the Qunari wanted to conquer Tevinter they would have done so already. They probably will once they are fully prepared.

I still think the plot of DA3 will be getting the mages and templars to stop fighting, Hopefully choosing who comes out on top. And marching north to Tevinter to free it from Qunari occupation since like Byzantine which its based off, it will probably fall to the Qunari

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 08 septembre 2011 - 02:19 .

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

With the right leadership, the mages can win. It comes down to a matter of leadership.

Unless the mages all instictly unite by all the circles going to one place somehow for some reason Even a great leader wont be enough to save the mages.

All the remaining Circles of Magi across Thedas rebelled against the Chantry and the templars. Unification towards a common goal doesn't seem impossible.

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

So your entire premise is basically that the Qunari "probably" outnumber the mages? If the mages hold back and let the templars and the Andrastian armies fight the Qunari back and forth until both sides have been weakened greatly, would the mages still lose in your scenerio?

Yes they would probably still loose, The Qunari would defeat the Templars and Andrastian armys and them move south to take out the mages who would still be vastly outnumbered and incapable of countering the Qunaris superior battle strategy.. Even with the united thedas armies and mages fighting them The Qunari weren't effected by casualties to badly according to Genetivi - it was the fact the war was so damaging to the local Rivanis. But the casualty rate for the Qunari against the Andrastian nations wont be to damaging to their efforts anyway i'd think.

You're acting as though the casualties lost against the templars and the Andrastian armies wouldn't be significant for the Qunari. Genitivi mentioned that, besides the Circle mages being "the greatest advantage" of the Chantry led forces, the humans also greatly outnumbered the Qunari warriors. The Circle mages may be able to simply wait for the templars to be greatly reduced and offer support for the remaining Andrastian nations against a common foe.

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Fighting a war with rebel templars and the Andrastian nations will be taxing to the Qunari. It's not as though a fight with the mages will be at full strength - they will need to devote their resources to dealing with the human armies and the multitude of nations that will try to prevent their expansion. It's not like there isn't a historic precedent for small forces defeating large armies.

With Thedas so  disunified I doubt the Qunari will struggle - I mean they took Par Vollen, Seheron, Half of Tevinter, Rivain, Antiva, and Part of the Free Marches with extreme ease and it was seemingly barely taxing to them at all. Plus besides lives the Qunari system is set up so that they dont have currency so there is no financial concern for them only resource distribution

With extreme ease? The fact that they didn't win doesn't seem to suggest that. The Qunari were pushed back by the Andrastian forces and the Tevinter armies, and currency didn't seem to be an issue for the New Exalted Marches. It was a religious war, as the name of the war suggests.

XxDeonxX wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The Qunari are also at war with Tevinter still if I'm not mistaken, so they aren't at their strongest anyways

According to Fenris the Qunari have been holding back their forces and simply building up their armies as they only truely wanted Seheron and if the Qunari wanted to conquer Tevinter they would have done so already. They probably will once they are fully prepared.

I still think the plot of DA3 will be getting the mages and templars to stop fighting, Hopefully choosing who comes out on top. And marching north to Tevinter to free it from Qunari occupation since like Byzantine which its based off, it will probably fall to the Qunari

Fenris isn't exactly unbiased against Tevinter, and his assumptions aren't facts. Simply because he thinks the Qunari could win doesn't mean they actually can win against Tevinter.