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[ubermensch007]

You wanted to be with her in Mass Effect 1.You got with her in Mass Effect 2.But are you going to stay with her in Mass Effect 3?

I find myself on the fence and uncertain - and this is why:

Tali Zorah nar Rayya... In Mass Effect 1 - In 2183, she was not only an integral part of my shore party.My canon Shep is a combat specialist.She is a tech specialist.Liara T' Soni is a biotic specialist.Together we were as
powerful as the Power of three Halliwell sisters of Charmed :-)

Tali was also the squad-mate that I most wanted to become romantically involved with.But it was not to be during that time.

A couple of years later - Mass Effect 2 is released.And I discover by way of Yeoman Kelly Chambers that Tali fancy's me.I was not expecting to hear that.But it was welcome news nonetheless. But there was a
complication.By the time I ended up recruiting Ms.Zorah in ME2.Shep was already spoken for by Miranda.

Also Operations Chief Ashley Williams and Commander Shepard need a resolution.For she is my ME 1
canon love interest.But in her email, she said that she was "Not sure what the future holds betwixt us." Which made me say,"Well when you figure out if you want to be my girl again.Holler... Until then - I'm going do me." (as they say)

In any case... By the time I was ready to do the Suicide Mission. I had a tough choice to make.Here I
found myself again in the same position that I was in Mass Effect 1.I had chosen the runner up b/c I couldn't be with my true choice.In ME 2.Before Horizon.I had no idea that Tali was even going to join my team.I accepted the fact that thingswere different now.My former squad-mates were doing new things.I have a new ship, crew and mission.My XO - Operative Miranda Lawson has been good to me.Then Tali has to go and say,
"Hey Shepard.Get over here handsome." ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png

I never meant to hurt Miranda, but given the high probability that we all would not survive the Suicide Mission.I just couldn't let Shepard leave this world without ever seeing the face of a woman who he cares for respects and loves so much.

So I broke off things with Miranda and walked into Tali's arms as I have wanted to since ME 1...



But.. We didn't die.Indeed - in my first play-through of Mass Effect 2 (in which all I'm writing of here takes place) I didn't lose a single member of my unit.We all made it out alive.And in the intervening time betwixt Mass Effect 2 and 3.Shep and I have had much time to think and reflect on the decisions we've made up until this point.

Who he is?

What is he fighting for?

Who does he want to share his life with?

I thought that b/c Tali and I clicked so well on the battlefield that it would be the same in the bedroom, so to speak.But after reviewing the  "Hot Mess" ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png that Shepard has made of things in the Mass Effect universe.I couldn't help but recall that more than not; the one who convinced Shep to do these things that effed up the galaxy was my "Sister in Arms" Tali Zorah vas Normandy.

She was the one who convinced me that  "Concentrating on Sovereign" at the expense of the Citadel Council was
the right call.But now I'm not so sure that her reasons for advising me on this course of action was purely tactical...

Especially when I began to recall things she said to me while we were on the Citadel and exploring the Presidium, earlier in our quest.

Tali:

1.When I first arrived at the Citadel.I spent nearly three hours being questioned by the officers before they let me enter the wards.

2. Quarians aren't to popular with Citadel Security.They think that we are all beggars and theives.

3. My people use to have an embassy here.But after we created the geth.We were no longer welcome.

4. The krogan rebelled against the Council, yet they have a statue on the Citadel.And we quarians still live as outcast. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

5. (The Pièce de résistance - in the Council Chamber) Three hundred years ago the geth drove my into exile.We asked the Council to wipe the
synthetics out, but they ignored our pleas. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

Ashley: Maybe if they'd listen.We wouldn't be here now.

Bearing this all in mind.I feel as though Tali used me - manipulated me to avenge her ancestors... She is so bitter and angry about how the galaxy treats her people, the Council especially. That paying them back blinded
her to the consequences for others.

Now my people.My race is hated and despised by a good portion of the inter galactic community.Just like the quarians are...

In 2185 after we were reunited on Haestorm.During her loyalty mission.I deferred to her once more.Seeing it as her call, not mine.After all, it is her neck on the line and they are her people.But after hearing what
she says after I asked her about the quarians plans of war with the geth, and reclaiming their home-world.I was kind of shocked and a bit pleased by her response.I'm paraphrasing: I did what I could for them.If they want to go get themselves blown up.Oh well..."

Tali is seen as a hero by many of her people.But she doesn't really give a damn about them - really.We know this is so from how little she is affected by being "Exiled".Tali only becomes distraught, if her fathers dirty laundry is put on public display.

I'm not writing any of this to bash Tali.In point of fact; I think all these facets of her character make her fascinating.From an objective observers point of view.But in-game:

My Shepard has reached the point where he sees Tali as a 'Bad Influence' on him. She is like a beautiful Siren in a way.Her voice and figure and personality have a way of affecting Commander Shepard's IQ Level and Common Sense.

Why do I have to break up with her? For the reasonsI have listed and this one as well: Shepard would not be what he is today, if not for Tali.The first human Spectre.It is a debt that I feel at times can never be fully re-payed.Tali says that she is indebted to Shepard to the same extent.For him saving her life from Fist thugs and Helping her complete her pilgramige.That may be... But I still feel like Shepard owes her more.Also I feel kind of gulity, even in my "Save the Council" ME 1 Import.That the Systems Alliance gained so much good will and political
gains.Post Battle of the Citadel.Where as the Quarians didn't even get so much as there embassy reinstated by the Citadel Council.That's F'd up...

More reasons to end things with Tali:

I care about Tali's people more than she does - apparently.And that's F'd up too...

Her complete lack of sympathy or empathy for the Geth...

At one time I saw Tali.I thought of Tali as a sweet, innocent, kind, highly intelligent , strong person.A good girl who wields a shotgun and is more than willing to use it if nesecary.But now I see that she is "A Good Girl Gone Bad"

I remember being shocked beyond words on one of my ME 1 play-throughs when on Virmire she suggested that I kill the indoctrinated STG members in their cell.In
cold blood... ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png When I put all this together - she just leaves me thinking, "Who the hell is this person!?!" ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/alien.png

I didn't kill the Indoctrinated STG.But I did leave them in thier cell.

I don't know what BioWare has in store for us Talimancers in ME 3. But I'm not sure if I'll still be a Talimancer by the time the game comes out...

Rihanna's song  "Rehab" is so appropriate for how I feel about Tali and what i wrote in this Blog - These lyrics especially:

Damn,

Ain't it crazy

When you're loveswept

You'll do anything

For the one you love

'Cause anytime

That you needed me

I'd be there

It's like

You were my favorite drug

The only problem is

That you was using me

In a different way

That I was using you

But now that I know

That it's not meant to be

You gotta go

I gotta wean myself off of you

Modifié par ubermensch007, 06 septembre 2011 - 02:30 .

[Gallimatia]

If you're always using Liara and Tali together in ME1 you will get a skewed view of Tali given that they tend to have the two squad mates advocate one line each. Someone has to advocate sacrificing the Council. Someone has to suggest you kill the STG. Well it's not going to be Liara, unless perhaps you bring Kaidan.

In regards to the Council for instance the list from most to least Council friendly goes Kaidan, Liara, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Ashley (with the two human squad mates swapping place if you use persuasion on them). The person to the left on the list will suggest you consider saving the Council and the person to the right will advice you to sacrifice it. So if you had brought Wrex or Ashley to the final mission Tali certainly wouldn't have used you to avenge her ancestors...

Modifié par Gallimatia, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[ubermensch007]

That's some fine meta-gaming you got going on there Gallimatia

But i had Tali and Wrex with me on the Virmire mission where the both of them were like kill the STG indoctrinated P.O.W.

99.8 percent of my OP is about my first playthrough of Mass Effect 1 and 2.So "It is what it is." And I like the image of Tali that it gave me.She has layers.BioWare has made her quite complex.I don't hate her or anything.I just find her to perhaps not be good for my Shepard.But we'll see what happens when ME 3 comes out.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Cultic-Jacopo N7]

ubermesch
In ME nobody is 100% paragon ,Tali either ,and i quote Gallimatia , look at this , see ? He is a casualty, a 50/50 , is wrong judge a character personality from this casual situation .
I think (just my opinion,i don't want to disrespect anyone) no one else love Shepard more then her, you said yourself , she cares more of Shepard then for herself ,she didn't care to die unless she is with him ,how could you possibly think that she using Shepard ?
So , my answer is yes,my Shepard's (all) will stay with her , doing this is the best way to repay her for make Shepard became the first human spectre,because he is simply what she want most and my Shepard too.
(wow , what a nerdy post , i'm disappoint of myself XD )
(and sorry for my bad English)

Modifié par Cultic-Jacopo N7, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[PseudoEthnic]

I think you would be better having this discussion in the Tali'Zorah Thread.

[aiDvEoN]

Regarding her comments on the council: my hardline paragon agreed with her, exty trillions over the 10,000 aboard a crippled ship.

On her dismissive attitude during her LM: I'd be bitter.too if the people I jade dedicated my entire life too threw it back in my face like that to use me as a political football. Besides, what can she do if the admirals decide to embark on a suicidal war that they cannot win? That, and she's made her peace, she clearly doesn't expect to be making the return trip.

On the STG: how can you NOT shoot them? There's nothing there, just salarian shaped sock puppets for Sovereign. Euthanasia is what that is.

[ubermensch007]

@PseudoEthnic - Yeah your probably right.I should ask this question there.But I didn't want my post to get lost in the sea of so many other opinions.What page is the Tali'Zorah ME3 Thread *Spoiler warning!* on now? Ah yes, page 222...

Geez... That can be kind of intimidating.But I would like to hear what more forumites have to say about this.Since this is a "One Topic Thread" it would work better if they came over here to discuss this.

We'll see...

[Alamar2078]

If you have solid RP reasons to dump Tali then do so. That is what RPGs are about right???

I doubt I'd put much stock into what anyone in the thread says [even me] ... My advice would be just RP as you see fit and go from there.

Heck make up a character that has different motiviations, use different teammates, etc. and see if things work out differently ...

[King Minos]

Humans have always been despised, might as well give the galactic community the finger by killing the council as revenge. You don't **** with Humanity.

[ubermensch007]

@Alamar2078 - I here you. But I guess I'm trying to see if anyone can give me a reason to look pass what I see as Tali's faults and continue the relationship...

[knightnblu]

Tali is one of the sweetest NPCs in the game. I really cottoned to her in ME1, but a relationship with her wasn't in the cards. While one could say that their romantic interest was enticed purely by her personality, Tali also has a figure that is built for sin. Combine the two and you have a powerful attractor despite having no clue what her face looks like (personally, I think that the Quarians are light green skinned people with colorless hair and no, I will not reveal why I believe that).

One of the most poignant moments of ME2 was when I approached Tali after her trial for treason and she revealed that she burned for me. There was hesitancy, passion, hope, and fear in her approach. All in all, it made her seem very...human. When she took me back into the Core room on a later conversation and explained why she loved me, that sealed the deal. I was hooked and if she didn't have that helmet on I would have kissed her right then (assuming BioWare would have allowed me to do that, of course).

Her VA, the writing, and her animation made her romance the best one in the game in my opinion. If you like Tali, then you like her and I wouldn't let comments made in frustration deter you in pursuing the romance with her. She was loyal to you, she was loyal to her father, and she is definitely loyal to her people. Many people have made comments in frustration at the perceived lunacy of their governments, why should Tali be any different? Even Garrus makes similar remarks about his people and the Council.

The only reason that I could see for not romancing her is the fact that you could never have children together. Combine that with the threat to her health and you arrive at a potent reason for staying friends. Additionally, her regard for Kal Reeger likely insures that she won't stay single for long.

Part of gaming today is placing yourself into the PC's shoes and acting as if you were him. In a sense, we become that character as if we are part of the game's cast. I play as myself instead of assuming another personality. If a romance is done well, it clicks with the player. If not, you get Jack, Ashley, or Liara. All stunningly beautiful and all with the personality of a wet bar rag.

At least, that's my take on the issue.

[Cyprian55]

All Iv'e gots to say is I romanced Miranda first and to be quite honest I never really paid any attention to tali in the first one she was just kind of there in the engine room, but after talking to her and after her loyalty mission when I did start paying attention to her she romanced the hell out of my Shep. After that said bye bye Miranda and Tali it is, there's just somethin about her romance in the game that everyone else already commented on is so unique she is genuine while in my opinion the others are not... Well Ashley might be but her poetry makes me want to kill baby birds.... ridic.

[ODST 3]

Just play through it twice and keep her in one, ditch her in the other.

[Cyprian55]

ODST 3 wrote...

Just play through it twice and keep her in one, ditch her in the other.

Now that is a good idea that is what I plan to do.... if........ I can......resist.....dem hips.......helmet.......and sexy dorkiness....

[P38 ace]

My best solution for being pure with tali is to make a new character in ME1 and save Kadien and not ash on the vermire mission, Cause that is the only way to not romace with anyone in ME1, and be "just friends" with Laria

and then you are all set up for Pureness with Tali in ME2

and yes with ever major disition in the game, some one has to be the devils advocate, on the Council thing, Tali only points out that Saving your renforcements, will have a better chance at Beating Soverian with fewer losses, so it is still saveing poeple, just more people and not the few that are most important

But seriously move this over to the Tali thread, to keep it alive