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[Gervaise]

Apparently Andraste did have several sons, who allegedly all died during the civil wars which followed her death.  Since then it is said that various claimants have come forward but were disavowed by the Chantry.  Whilst this bit of law may just be a nod to the Da Vinci Code, I was wondering if there could be a possibility of this becoming of future plot line.  For that matter, could there be several descendants of Andraste around currently?   Apart from any other reasons, could the reason that Flemeth swoops down rescuing certain people be that she knows they are descendants?  In Origins not necessarily the Warden but in fact Alistair (nothing is known about Calenhad apart from being the son of an impoverished merchant who lived in Ferelden - Andraste's home base).  Little is known about the Hawke lineage - but if someone had come forward in the past claiming to be a descendant of Andraste but a mage, it is hardly surpising the Chantry would deny the claim.  As for the warden in Origins, if there were multiple sons, there could be multiple descendants, even in other races.    Just a thought?

[Wulfram]

Elves can't be descended from humans. I can't see why it would matter, anyway.

[whykikyouwhy]

I'm curious as to what your source is for Andraste having sons. The only reference I could find (albeit, it was a hasty search) was within the wiki article for Maferath, which claimed that he was killed by his sons. And "his sons" may mean that they were of his blood through another woman, not necessarily Andraste.

Your theory has some validity though. While a lot of the speculation has been about OGBs and body swapping and the like, there may be a literal lineage for the prophet. I don't know that all of the heroes that Flemeth rescues/intervenes with are related however - it's not impossible. I'm more inclined to think that a descendant of Andraste will manifest his/herself in a different role. I have no basis for this...just my gut feeling.

[whykikyouwhy]

@SparkleWaffle - Much obliged.

I wonder though, if Andraste had any daughters (though daughters may not have been mentioned in the word-of-mouth tales or their deeds recorded for various reasons). Most curious.

[mousestalker]

I'm sorry, but the title sounds entirely too much like one of those fraternal organizations. "The Sons of Andraste will be collecting blankets for poor children at the Denerim Mall from Thursday to Monday." or "The wedding is at the East Village Chantry with reception to follow at the Sons of Andraste Hall."

[krinst]

Very interesting! I hadn't heard about this before.

Sons of Andraste, the original Friends of Red Jenny.

[whykikyouwhy]

SparkleWaffle wrote...

@whykikyouwhy - You're very welcome, dear lady.

I'm under the impression that Thedas was less woman friendly in those days, so maybe Andraste's female heirs were simply omitted from history. If there are now-living descendants of her, I wonder if they've inherited her super-powers. Or if they'll get a role to play in the mage-templar war.

Well, I do have this wild thought that perhaps Flemeth's "daughters" are not actually hers (I have not yet subscribed to the Flemeth = Andraste theory). That perhaps, as a favor of sorts (since bargains and obligations abound in the DA-verse), she has been raising the descendants of the prophet.

But it's just a wild thought...but a speck of flotsam floating on the water...

elebamf wrote...

Very interesting! I hadn't heard about this before.

Sons of Andraste, the original Friends of Red Jenny.

Oh...nice. Andraste had red hair, no?

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 01 septembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[Deathwurm]

mousestalker wrote...

I'm sorry, but the title sounds entirely too much like one of those fraternal organizations. "The Sons of Andraste will be collecting blankets for poor children at the Denerim Mall from Thursday to Monday." or "The wedding is at the East Village Chantry with reception to follow at the Sons of Andraste Hall."

Quoted for Hilarity!

I won't even begin to speculate on this topic as I see Flemeth as complete mystery. I don't know that we've been given anywhere near enough info to tell who or how important she is. My belief at this point is that she may be involved and known in all of Thedas and to all Races but under different names with a different appearance.

It would be interesting if Groups or Families appeared who try to gain power by claiming to be descendants of Andraste..reminds me of the Merovengians in France.

[Gervaise]

It is just one of those speculative things but people have been saying about who would lead a mage rebellion and I got to thinking how someone claiming to be "the son of Andraste" would have a wonderful irony to it whether it was true or not. Then there was that book claiming that Andraste was really a powerful mage but no indication of who wrote it, the inscriptions on the monuments about Meferath - who carved them? There is the possibility of at least a cult dedicated in this way - may be that is how the village of Haven came into being in the first place. What about the original Dales? If a true son of Andraste was being hunted by the Chantry, would not the elves of the Dales be a good place to go in search of refuge? Might they not have left some record there, still buried/sealed away, may be only accessible by one of Andraste's line? Sorry it is just the storyteller in me coming out but with all these indications that southern Thedas seems to hold some memory of Andraste that does not conform with the Chantry line, I just thought it might be interesting if something came of it.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

SparkleWaffle wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I'm curious as to what your source is for Andraste having sons. The only reference I could find (albeit, it was a hasty search) was within the wiki article for Maferath, which claimed that he was killed by his sons. And "his sons" may mean that they were of his blood through another woman, not necessarily Andraste.

Your theory has some validity though. While a lot of the speculation has been about OGBs and body swapping and the like, there may be a literal lineage for the prophet. I don't know that all of the heroes that Flemeth rescues/intervenes with are related however - it's not impossible. I'm more inclined to think that a descendant of Andraste will manifest his/herself in a different role. I have no basis for this...just my gut feeling.

Quoted from the Wiki; "Andraste had several sons but they are all believed to have died in the civil wars that tore the south apart after Maferath's death. There have been many claimants in the centuries since, saying they were descendants of survivors, but the Chantry has disavowed each of them. To date there are no known legitimate heirs to Andraste's blood." According to the citation, David Gaider said it? But I can't find the source so I'll just take the Wiki's word for it, heh.

Was this quote from Bioware's offical wiki of DA or is this from the unoffical fan operated wiki? 

You do realize that anyone can edit the unoffical wiki and say whatever they like.  When it comes to offical lore and story information I go to the: offical walkthroughs, the offical wiki, and the game itself or the books and the final word from the writers and developers. I do want to say that I read something on this somewhere but I don't recall where I read this.  It might have been that she had children before her exalted march on Trevinter.  Didn't she escape her slavery?  

The only person that we know of for sure that has had several children is Flemeth.  Generations of them.

If Gaider said this, then I'd like to see a link or have confirmation from him that this is true. 

There might be a possible link with Alistair if you think about it.  Maferath and Calenhad both were Alamarri war lords which most of the decendants of Fereldan came from, these clans.  I'd also think that all of those people back in the day could also be parts of the Avaars warriors too.  I'd also imagine Flemeth, Morrigan and the Chasind as well could be part of this collective group.

If Flemeth is Andraste, then it would make sense that she comes to her line's rescue, saving certain people. 

I always wondered if Calenhad was decended from Mafareth?  If so, then Alistiar is a several times removed great grandson of Maferath.  Still doesn't mean that Andraste was their mother either. 

I'm going to check my walkthroughs on this.  It will be interesting to learn if this is true.

Edit:

I just read a few pages in my CE walkthrough which has a very large section on religion in Thedas. I read the pages on Andraste and her exalted march. It doesn't say that she had any children. I'd come closer to saying these possible sons might be those of Mafareth after her death. I got the strong impression from reading this again that she was a mage by the text in the book. I'd guess she was a mage from the school of primal. The sword of the Maker was the elements of the earth. So says the book.

I'll have to check my Awakenings walkthrough and see if I can find something there. There was that quest in the Wending Woods on those statues which gave several new codex entries on Mafareth. I'll have to also open a save from a game and read those again. I'd imagine if there is a codex on this it's going to be in Awakenings.

The book also states that Mafareth was given all of the lands south of the Imperium. This had to be the Kocari Wilds and all of Ferelden, this might even include Orlais, Nevarra, and Antiva, and the Free Marches as well, just a guess here. Probably just all of what is now known as Ferelden and Kocari Wilds.

Which means that its possible the line of Calenhad could be a decendant of Mafareth's.   Notice I said possible!

I've noticed alot of changes with the unoffical wiki and alot of stuff is someone's own theory.  Not every post but I've run across a few of them where they have been changed and they don't reflect what the actual walkthroughs say.  The unoffical wiki used to be word for word what the walkthroughs said. It isn't anymore, imho.  I use the wiki's as a quick reference for the real grit I always go to the walkthroughs. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 01 septembre 2011 - 07:55 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

SparkleWaffle wrote...

@whykikyouwhy - You're very welcome, dear lady.

I'm under the impression that Thedas was less woman friendly in those days, so maybe Andraste's female heirs were simply omitted from history. If there are now-living descendants of her, I wonder if they've inherited her super-powers. Or if they'll get a role to play in the mage-templar war.

Well, I do have this wild thought that perhaps Flemeth's "daughters" are not actually hers (I have not yet subscribed to the Flemeth = Andraste theory). That perhaps, as a favor of sorts (since bargains and obligations abound in the DA-verse), she has been raising the descendants of the prophet.

But it's just a wild thought...but a speck of flotsam floating on the water...

elebamf wrote...

Very interesting! I hadn't heard about this before.

Sons of Andraste, the original Friends of Red Jenny.

Oh...nice. Andraste had red hair, no?

Wow, Why, that is an amazing thought, Flemeth raising the prophet's daughers and maybe her sons.   Very interesting theory.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ SparkleWaffle

The offical walkthrough and the offical wiki give information on Andraste with the Histories of the Chantry 1-4.

http://social.biowar...Chantry_History

Here is the link.

I just did a search on Maferath with the offical wiki and nothing comes up. If there is any reference to children then it has to be in Awakenings somewhere.
 
Funny thing on the Red Jenny.  Maybe these are decendants of Calenhad and his line is forever preserved!!!!!  The red hair thing.  Strawberry Blond, dirty blone, light brown, a slight connection there.  If I'm not mistaken Maric was also a blond. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 01 septembre 2011 - 08:58 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ SparkleWaffle

LOL, I concur on the unnecessary grmpiness thing!