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[Killjoy Cutter]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The reapers are capable of rational thought. The "instincts" defense is completely invalid.

Rational is based on your design. They have a different thinking then a human or any other sentient species would. So it is completely valid, thank you. To those ants in the Garden that you just showered with pesticide...we're the Reapers.

The ants aren't thinking beings, they're litle biological automatons.  We're not the Reapers to them, we're not anything to them, we're just a set of stimuli that they respond to automatically.   If ants were thinking, comprehending beings, then killing them randomly with pesticides would be mass murder.  

It's rather disgusting the number of ways in which people will try to excuse the vile ends and vile means of the Reapers.  

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 01 septembre 2011 - 06:26 .

[marshalleck]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's rather disgusting the number of ways in which people will try to excuse the vile ends and vile means of the Reapers.  

Metaphors aren't meant to be interpreted literally. 

[Arppis]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Shepard siding with Reapers isn't dark side ending, it's stupid ending.
No matter how paragon or renegade, Shepard's task was always to stop the Reapers.
The only thing that comes to mind that could possibly make evil ending in ME3 is that you sacrificed alot of species to destroy Reapers and then humanity would take over galaxy and citadel. (Well Citadel can already be claimed if you killed the Council)

It's stupid for you, not for everyone.

[RolandX9]

Robhuzz wrote...

How often does this need to be explained: Joining the Reapers = you die. The Reapers won't let Shepard live even if he joins with them to fight against his former allies. You get indoctrinated, fight with the Reapers and when the Reapers leave, you get left behind and die. With this in mind, would you still push for a useless ending like 'joining' the Reapers?

Saren.

Sure, you die at the end. That's how all mortal lives end, though (kinda the meaning of "mortal"). In the meantime, though, Shepard could completely screw up the galaxy and do all manner of diabolically awesome things. Really not my sort of campaign, but what the heck.

[Ace of Dawn]

Renegade =/= Evil.

Shepard is a force of Good. Period. It's just whether or not he is Lawful, Neutral, or Chaotically Good. But in the end, he fully understands that Reapers are not something you join up with, but must eliminate.

Joining the Reapers would be the biggest character derailment possible. It would make zero sense, anyway, since he would have done it in the first game... or the second game...

[silentassassin264]

Undertone wrote...

I would actually love an ending in which there's a logical and sensible reason to join the Reapers.

Alas I doubt something like this would happen.

This.  I would like for Harbinger (or another one) to actually explain why they need to harvest advanced species and make a compelling argument to join with them.  As it is, they are just enigmatic genocidal spaceships.  They had better have a better reason than for the evulz.

Ace of Dawn wrote...

Renegade =/= Evil.

Shepard is a force of Good. Period. It's just whether or not he is Lawful, Neutral, or Chaotically Good. But in the end, he fully understands that Reapers are not something you join up with, but must eliminate.

Joining the Reapers would be the biggest character derailment possible. It would make zero sense, anyway, since he would have done it in the first game... or the second game...

It could still be the greatest force of good if the Reapers have a good reason for doing what they are doing.  Sovereign was a patronizing jerk and did not give a hint to what they were doing.  Harbinger hints that it is for your own good but does not explain why.  That would be why Shep does not join them in 1 and 2. 

Modifié par silentassassin264, 01 septembre 2011 - 08:54 .

[CBKeffer]

Last I checked, killing off entire races is never a good thing.

[KotorEffect3]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Shepard siding with Reapers isn't dark side ending, it's stupid ending.
No matter how paragon or renegade, Shepard's task was always to stop the Reapers.
The only thing that comes to mind that could possibly make evil ending in ME3 is that you sacrificed alot of species to destroy Reapers and then humanity would take over galaxy and citadel. (Well Citadel can already be claimed if you killed the Council)

This

[Gabey5]

defeat the reapers
use their tech to conquer the galaxy
Shepard is Emperor

[SandSanta]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I don`t read or check much about the any of the MEs, but one thing got me, that "Shepard can lose to reapers". I know this is a bad ending , but after so much i  wish we have a true dark side ending to the series, where you can betray galaxy.

Example:

Harbinger "Hey baby, wana join us?"

Shepard:"Sure as hell!"

*Transforms into Cyborg*

I hope we won`t have just three endings - death, and BLUE/RED sky behind Shepered based on allignment.

This ending would be terrible not because its evil, but because it completely invalidates all of ME1 and ME2.  Furthermore, what would be the gameplay element?  You just fly around while the Reapers assimialte the universe?

[Gabey5]

Arppis wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Shepard siding with Reapers isn't dark side ending, it's stupid ending.
No matter how paragon or renegade, Shepard's task was always to stop the Reapers.
The only thing that comes to mind that could possibly make evil ending in ME3 is that you sacrificed alot of species to destroy Reapers and then humanity would take over galaxy and citadel. (Well Citadel can already be claimed if you killed the Council)

It's stupid for you, not for everyone.

There is no joining with the reapers... those that do become mindless slaves and when the repaers are done with the galaxy they are so far gone they cannot wipe themselves let alone eat

[Seboist]

If I can't work for Cerberus then I'll go work for Harbinger if possible.

[KotorEffect3]

Seboist wrote...

If I can't work for Cerberus then I'll go work for Harbinger if possible.

You are not even being renegade anymore you just want to be evil for the sake of being evil.

[Ace of Dawn]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Undertone wrote...

I would actually love an ending in which there's a logical and sensible reason to join the Reapers.

Alas I doubt something like this would happen.

This.  I would like for Harbinger (or another one) to actually explain why they need to harvest advanced species and make a compelling argument to join with them.  As it is, they are just enigmatic genocidal spaceships.  They had better have a better reason than for the evulz.

Ace of Dawn wrote...

Renegade =/= Evil.

Shepard is a force of Good. Period. It's just whether or not he is Lawful, Neutral, or Chaotically Good. But in the end, he fully understands that Reapers are not something you join up with, but must eliminate.

Joining the Reapers would be the biggest character derailment possible. It would make zero sense, anyway, since he would have done it in the first game... or the second game...

It could still be the greatest force of good if the Reapers have a good reason for doing what they are doing.  Sovereign was a patronizing jerk and did not give a hint to what they were doing.  Harbinger hints that it is for your own good but does not explain why.  That would be why Shep does not join them in 1 and 2. 

Wha... What?

They have been sytematically exterminating space-faring species for 37+ Million years. I don't care if their end game is to bring about the beginning of a Utopia empire, fight off the "real" threat, or because they don't have nearly enough people to play universal hide-and-seek.

We. Die.

I don't know about you, but I like living. My life hasn't been dandy or anything, but I wouldn't want the extermination of an entire galaxy to occur so that I can avoid having a bad day.

This is like cutting down trees to make paper or sending cows to the slaughterhouse to get steak. Sure, it benefits *us*, but if we could truly ask what they wanted... they'd certainly say to the contrary.

Besides, if I recall correctly, the Reapers claim our extermination benefits us because organic life is flawed, whereas their existance is perfect. We are being "ascended" to a higher plane of existence and capability.

And in the end, it would only be for *us*. Humanity. Joining the Reapers would mean that Asari, Drell, Hanar, Krogan, Rachni, Volus, Elcor, Turian, Yahg, Vorcha, and any sort of sentient being would be killed. The Reapers have pretty firmly established that we are important and everything else is irrelevant. If anything could be gained by having us all on the same side, that would have been brought up a *long* time ago.

[Seboist]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If I can't work for Cerberus then I'll go work for Harbinger if possible.

You are not even being renegade anymore you just want to be evil for the sake of being evil.

Nope, I'd rather see humanity transcend into Reaperhood than be in a near-extinct diminished state at the mercy of hostile alien races.

[snowfox522]

proper mass effect dark side ending for me would be kind of like, "knowingly sending the bulk of a race to their deaths to secure the reapers defeat" or "after the reapers are defeated use some sort of technology you found to secure the dominance of either yourself or humans in the galaxy"

I'm not saying it's impossible but I don't see many likely reasons for Shepherd to join the reapers that would be believable. I suppose indoctrination but that wouldn't very fun for the player "This dialogue option is unavailable because you are indoctrinated". they could do something clever kind of like you don't realize your indoctrinated.

I guess we can speculate all we want but truly only time will tell.

[Tommy6860]

While I like having the ability to have an alternate ending, even if it means having an evil alter-ego to the PC, joining the evil side would seem tacked on more than being like it was something that was game changing. While an "evil" Shep going that route would make some difference, actually being able to just take over Reaper tech and then be the new Reaper leader would be the best way. Like Revan having a choice in KoTOR to be the Dark Lord of the Sith or the good Jedi.

[KotorEffect3]

Seboist wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If I can't work for Cerberus then I'll go work for Harbinger if possible.

You are not even being renegade anymore you just want to be evil for the sake of being evil.

Nope, I'd rather see humanity transcend into Reaperhood than be in a near-extinct diminished state at the mercy of hostile alien races.

Your precious humanity will be melted down into a sludge to be construction material for a reaper.  I am going to kill harbinger and then send his corpse into the sun, that is of course after I completely destroy the organization known as cerberus.

[Ace of Dawn]

Seboist wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If I can't work for Cerberus then I'll go work for Harbinger if possible.

You are not even being renegade anymore you just want to be evil for the sake of being evil.

Nope, I'd rather see humanity transcend into Reaperhood than be in a near-extinct diminished state at the mercy of hostile alien races.

Yes, but the Mass Effect series establishes Shepard as an individual, not a 100% avatar of you. Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers, you are there to decide if Shepard should do it as a good cop or a bad cop. You are essentially the angel and devil on his shoulders.

[Balek-Vriege]

The ending of this kind I liked the most was Fallout 1's when you could join the Master as a Supermutant. He makes a pretty good case if you didn't find the data which proves they're sterile. Which led to the other cool ending when you could get him to kill himself (much like Saren).

Aynways I could go for such a choice if the Reapers' plans were convincing/logical enough.

[100k]

Shepard uses the other races as shields against the Reapers, and when they suffer heavy loses, the game hints at humanities galactic expansion? That would be cool.

[furryrage59]

I'd very much enjoy an option to let everything burn and join themm. But i would like some aspect of story to do with their origins that may compel me to be tempted, promise of humanities survival and rise to power beside them or something.

[RolandX9]

mitthrawuodo wrote...

an ending that sees shepard becomes ruler of the galaxy would imo be a dark side ending

"All hail Darth Shepard, the TRUE Lord of the Si-" *cough* Okay, okay, been done.  While I think a "Shepard gives in to the Reapers" ending could be interesting from a "what's my motivation" POV, this is definitely where I see Renegade Shepard going. "You people are too stupid, incompetent, and corrupt for me to let you run this galaxy any more. I'm taking over." (Udina opens his mouth, and Shepard fills it with a metric cloaca-load of hypervelocity rounds before he gets a sound out.) "Anyone else care to object?"

[Volus Warlord]

Clonedzero wrote...

doesnt that make absolutely no sense in context with the story?
doesnt it also undermine everything you've done in the past 2 games?


it would make about as much sense as han solo randomly shooting luke in the face in the middle of return of the jedi

*cough* TIM as reaper servant *cough*