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[RAF1940]

Sorry, but an ending where Shepard joins the Reapers is just dumb.

[Killjoy Cutter]

silentassassin264 wrote...
It could still be the greatest force of good if the Reapers have a good reason for doing what they are doing.  Sovereign was a patronizing jerk and did not give a hint to what they were doing.  Harbinger hints that it is for your own good but does not explain why.  That would be why Shep does not join them in 1 and 2. 

"For your own good" is halfway to evil on its own.

What the Reapers want to do, and how they are doing it, are both evil.  Evil ends and evil means can never be good.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 01 septembre 2011 - 11:17 .

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I can see an eeeeevil ending where Shepard allows his consciousness to become the imprint for the reaper (but not just any reaper-- a *human* reaper), thereby gaining a sort of darkly triumphant immortality.

...but I don't see that ending fitting into Mass Effect, at least not with Shepard. I can see TIM buying into that, though, since he already sees himself as the standard-bearer for humanity.

[Drone223]

So Shepard kills Harbinger assumes control of the citadel and makes himself dark lord of the Reapers

[OmegaXI]

Do you mean an ending where sheperd storms the citidel declares it the first galactic empire and then issues orders to kill all the Spectre traitors who do not side with him.

Then creates a hand picked enclave of "deserving races" represenitives that answer only to Shepard and his newly former Spectres and sets out to sytematically whip out all the remain resistance from the old guard.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 02 septembre 2011 - 03:22 .

[Ace of Dawn]

OmegaXI wrote...

Do you mean an ending where sheperd storms the citidel declares it the first galactic empire and then issues orders to kill all the Spectre traitors who do not side with him.

Then creates a hand picked enclave of "deserving race" represenitives that answer only to Shepard and his newly former Spectres and sets out to sytematically whip out all the remain resistance from the old guard.

What, the Night of Broken Eezo?

[OmegaXI]

Ace of Dawn wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Do you mean an ending where sheperd storms the citidel declares it the first galactic empire and then issues orders to kill all the Spectre traitors who do not side with him.

Then creates a hand picked enclave of "deserving race" represenitives that answer only to Shepard and his newly former Spectres and sets out to sytematically whip out all the remain resistance from the old guard.

What, the Night of Broken Eezo?

Well I  imagine the old guard would be relocated to "focus retreats" after everything was said and done

and +1 for coming up with the night of broken eezo, thats pretty clever in a dark sinister  way

Modifié par OmegaXI, 02 septembre 2011 - 03:22 .

[silentassassin264]

Ace of Dawn wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Undertone wrote...

I would actually love an ending in which there's a logical and sensible reason to join the Reapers.

Alas I doubt something like this would happen.

This.  I would like for Harbinger (or another one) to actually explain why they need to harvest advanced species and make a compelling argument to join with them.  As it is, they are just enigmatic genocidal spaceships.  They had better have a better reason than for the evulz.

Ace of Dawn wrote...

Renegade =/= Evil.

Shepard is a force of Good. Period. It's just whether or not he is Lawful, Neutral, or Chaotically Good. But in the end, he fully understands that Reapers are not something you join up with, but must eliminate.

Joining the Reapers would be the biggest character derailment possible. It would make zero sense, anyway, since he would have done it in the first game... or the second game...

It could still be the greatest force of good if the Reapers have a good reason for doing what they are doing.  Sovereign was a patronizing jerk and did not give a hint to what they were doing.  Harbinger hints that it is for your own good but does not explain why.  That would be why Shep does not join them in 1 and 2. 

Wha... What?

They have been sytematically exterminating space-faring species for 37+ Million years. I don't care if their end game is to bring about the beginning of a Utopia empire, fight off the "real" threat, or because they don't have nearly enough people to play universal hide-and-seek.

We. Die.

I don't know about you, but I like living. My life hasn't been dandy or anything, but I wouldn't want the extermination of an entire galaxy to occur so that I can avoid having a bad day.

This is like cutting down trees to make paper or sending cows to the slaughterhouse to get steak. Sure, it benefits *us*, but if we could truly ask what they wanted... they'd certainly say to the contrary.

Besides, if I recall correctly, the Reapers claim our extermination benefits us because organic life is flawed, whereas their existance is perfect. We are being "ascended" to a higher plane of existence and capability.

And in the end, it would only be for *us*. Humanity. Joining the Reapers would mean that Asari, Drell, Hanar, Krogan, Rachni, Volus, Elcor, Turian, Yahg, Vorcha, and any sort of sentient being would be killed. The Reapers have pretty firmly established that we are important and everything else is irrelevant. If anything could be gained by having us all on the same side, that would have been brought up a *long* time ago.

You have no idea why the Reapers are reaping.  What if the excessive mass modulation of eezo use by spacefaring species isn't just some yay magic sci-fi convention and it is what is causing say Haestrom's sun to short out.  In fact, not just Haestrom but all the stars in the galaxy.  The Dark Energy build up would cause a galaxy wide apocalypse with all stars imploding killing everything in the galaxy.  The Reapers prevent this by letting species evovle to a certain point and then harvesting them, catologing their existence as a Reaper (if they can fit well like Humans) and the essentially are saving the galaxy time after time every time they come by.

Your defense is foolish and selfish.  Yes humans or well you? die but in doing so there is actually a galaxy left behind so others get the chance to evolve and live instead of every bit of matter in the galaxy being a turned into a black hole.  I would say that was worth it seeing as defying the Reapers would doom the entire galaxy in this scenario.  That is why I said you do not know why they are reaping.  If they have a good reason, it makes sense to side with them.

[JonnyOwen]

You know, Shepard did DIE trying to stop the Reapers from returning. He also did spend TWO games trying to warn the Galaxy whilst stopping them from returning, so of course he would join up after pretty much sacrificing and devoting his life after 2 games.

[Ace of Dawn]

silentassassin264 wrote...

You have no idea why the Reapers are reaping.  What if the excessive mass modulation of eezo use by spacefaring species isn't just some yay magic sci-fi convention and it is what is causing say Haestrom's sun to short out.  In fact, not just Haestrom but all the stars in the galaxy.  The Dark Energy build up would cause a galaxy wide apocalypse with all stars imploding killing everything in the galaxy.  The Reapers prevent this by letting species evovle to a certain point and then harvesting them, catologing their existence as a Reaper (if they can fit well like Humans) and the essentially are saving the galaxy time after time every time they come by.

Your defense is foolish and selfish.  Yes humans or well you? die but in doing so there is actually a galaxy left behind so others get the chance to evolve and live instead of every bit of matter in the galaxy being a turned into a black hole.  I would say that was worth it seeing as defying the Reapers would doom the entire galaxy in this scenario.  That is why I said you do not know why they are reaping.  If they have a good reason, it makes sense to side with them.

You're argument is every bit as much speculation as mine. And they aren't saving every single species. Just one. Each time.

All you'r banking on is that they have a good reason. But why not just tell us? Why not go from the get go and say why they are doing all of this? Because we'll overreact? Obviously the alternative is so much better.

Besides, they were teh ones that gave us the technology to modify mass effect fields and the sort. That would contradict your theory.

There is little to suggest anything you say holds weight. Nothing says we retain any sort of identity upon becoming a Reaper. Just attributes of a former identity we'll quickly look down upon, if we're even aware of it. Nothing to suggest their objectives are noble. Every 50,000 years they have wiped out the galaxy, only to leave no real trace of that.

If there really was any threat, wiping out any potential allies is counterproductive. They have have been doing this for at least 37 Million years. That's a *long* time. Humanity has only been alive for a fraction of that, and look at how far we progressed? Imagine multiple species capable of existing that long. Any threat would likely be curbed or averted if we had all that time to advance.

And besides, in the end, this is all moot. It doesn't matter what you or I believe, but what Shepard believes. They have killed an unknowable amount of lives. No amount of "noble intentions" justifies what they have done.

[silentassassin264]

Of course my argument was speculation. I was just making a devil's advocate situation to point out why your rage against the Reapers might be misguided. I would caps lock it but it would look gaudy so once again, "We do not know why the Reapers are harvesting." My example was obviously a hypothetical to support them but the whole point is that the Reapers have been an enigma in the first two games. We still do not know their motivation for doing what they do. If Harbinger gets frustrated or whatever and tells you their purpose and it is a good reason, then it may be worth it to side with the Reapers. And you wrong about the noble intentions. As I explained in my obviously pro Reaper scenario, if by killing those species they ensure their remains a galaxy, I think it is worth it. Since you are so worried about where your position was, in my scenario, if the Protheans had staved off the Reapers, humanity would have been wiped out in its infancy because they were more worried about themselves than for the future. It is foolish to make dogmatic decisions while you are fumbling in ignorance.

[Ace of Dawn]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Of course my argument was speculation. I was just making a devil's advocate situation to point out why your rage against the Reapers might be misguided. I would caps lock it but it would look gaudy so once again, "We do not know why the Reapers are harvesting." My example was obviously a hypothetical to support them but the whole point is that the Reapers have been an enigma in the first two games. We still do not know their motivation for doing what they do. If Harbinger gets frustrated or whatever and tells you their purpose and it is a good reason, then it may be worth it to side with the Reapers. And you wrong about the noble intentions. As I explained in my obviously pro Reaper scenario, if by killing those species they ensure their remains a galaxy, I think it is worth it. Since you are so worried about where your position was, in my scenario, if the Protheans had staved off the Reapers, humanity would have been wiped out in its infancy because they were more worried about themselves than for the future. It is foolish to make dogmatic decisions while you are fumbling in ignorance.

And if the Protheans staved off the Reapers, we'd be having this discussion as Protheans.

I'm all for playing Devil's Advocate, but at the end of the day, I just can't see this being justifiable. Even if the Reapers were in fact saving the galaxy, they might as well just outright exterminate everything if every 50,000 years species arise to risk everything all over again.

You're right, there may be a good reason to why they're are doing this. But I honestly can't believe that anyone in Shepard's position would honestly say "sure, let's wipe the galaxy to make it last a bit longer". Who are the Reapers to say that letting us live for a relatively short period of time is okay? They certainly don't act like they're doing us a favor, describing us (that is, organic evolution) as an accident.

Call me selfish, but I cannot possibly justify any scenario where the entire galaxy is wiped out over and over for some "greater good".

[GreenDragon37]

The "Darkside" ending would most likely be Shepard throwing every other races under the bus and having Humanity rise to the level of Galactic Emperors. However, Humanity will also go face-rolled, so that's tricky.

[Shifty Assassin]

i doubt that would happen but IMO having the option to have shepard become the ruler of the galaxy would be cool

[Killjoy Cutter]

silentassassin264 wrote...
You have no idea why the Reapers are reaping.

Doesn't matter.

[Aurora313]

Shepard becoming the ultimate bad-ass shot first, ask questions later. Kills TIM and rena-persuades LI into being his/her right hand person with Shepard becoming the new Illusive Man.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

For Shepard to turn to the 'dark side' and Reapers, the story could take similar turn like the Magnus the Red from Warhammer 40k.

He too was untrusted by others, and when he try to warn Emperor of Horus treachery , he was branded heretic - although he was`t at the time. But eventually it drawn him into madness and corruption. And his last words - "I will see the galaxy burn!".

The same could happen to Shepard - after so much fighting against Reapers, being abandoned by Council that you helped create/save, betrayed by Cerberus, and the corrupt galaxy leaders still don`t believe him/her - its perfectly fitting to break into madness and jump onto wining team with Harbringer and other Iron boys.

[habitat 67]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

 But eventually it drawn him into madness and corruption. And his last words - "I will see the galaxy burn!".

It would be entertaining to play a Shepard this way.

[AClockworkMelon]

I think this should be an option. And as soon as you choose it they kill you and you get a "REALLY? ARE YOU THAT STUPID?" ending like if you have sex with Morinth.

[Remus Artega]

The game will be as good as the main villain is portrayed, well at least for me. We actually do not know anything about the story as they keep it pretty close to their chest. So if their motives can provide solid base for me to justify the said decision to join them I say why the hell not. I can imagine many ways how this could be executed...but I doubt there will be such an option...I don't think BW have quads to make it actually happen.

Modifié par Remus Artega, 02 septembre 2011 - 11:08 .

[Arppis]

Gabey5 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Shepard siding with Reapers isn't dark side ending, it's stupid ending.
No matter how paragon or renegade, Shepard's task was always to stop the Reapers.
The only thing that comes to mind that could possibly make evil ending in ME3 is that you sacrificed alot of species to destroy Reapers and then humanity would take over galaxy and citadel. (Well Citadel can already be claimed if you killed the Council)

It's stupid for you, not for everyone.

There is no joining with the reapers... those that do become mindless slaves and when the repaers are done with the galaxy they are so far gone they cannot wipe themselves let alone eat

I know, but why not give people the option?

[Elstraim]

Anyone else find it cringe-worthy and somewhat amusing that a guy asking for a "dark side" ending is a dude named Chaos Lord?

[VaultingFrog]

something something something something darkside..... something something darkside...

[Ace of Dawn]

Arppis wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Shepard siding with Reapers isn't dark side ending, it's stupid ending.
No matter how paragon or renegade, Shepard's task was always to stop the Reapers.
The only thing that comes to mind that could possibly make evil ending in ME3 is that you sacrificed alot of species to destroy Reapers and then humanity would take over galaxy and citadel. (Well Citadel can already be claimed if you killed the Council)

It's stupid for you, not for everyone.

There is no joining with the reapers... those that do become mindless slaves and when the repaers are done with the galaxy they are so far gone they cannot wipe themselves let alone eat

I know, but why not give people the option?

People have the option of adding wooden spoilers onto Ferrari's. Doesn't improve anything if what your adding is ultimately pretty stupid and illogical.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Elstraim wrote...

Anyone else find it cringe-worthy and somewhat amusing that a guy asking for a "dark side" ending is a dude named Chaos Lord?

Yes.  Yes we do.