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[Ianamus]

Well, the other person's thread was locked, probably due to the inflammatory title and offensive wording, but I felt that he had some good points, and that this deserves to be discussed properly. 

When Bioware made Mass Effect 2 they simplified many of the RPG features, focusing on improving the combat, but then Deus: Ex Human revolution comes out with not only a better cover-based combat system, but better RPG features as well.

It has a dialogue system that allows you to justify your actions however you want, while Mass Effect's always tells you whether or not what your doing is right or wrong. It also makes you think carefully about what you choose, and the conversations matter. 

The cover system is much better, and allows you to be stealthy as well as direct. The inventory isn't a pain like Mass Effect 1's, and gives you far more customisation and choices than ME2. 

You can upgrade yourself and your weapons to a far greater extent than Mass Effect 2.

It's popular and praised despite being fairly complex, and I think that it really has put Mass Effect to shame. Other than a few issues I had with it (The ending didn't have enough closure with certain characters, and you couldn't customise Adam and make him more your character) I'm really worried that Mass Effect 3 won't be half the game it is. 

Modifié par EJ107, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

Oh, here we go agian "grabs popcorn"

[littlezack]

I hate to tell you, but this thread is probably going to be locked, too. Topics discussing other games typically are.

[marshalleck]

I like that coercion attempts can fail if you don't pay attention to information supplied about an NPC's personality and attitude, instead of simply magically rewriting someone's entire worldview as is the case with Shepard using his magical paragon/renegade mind-control.

[String910]

The only thing where Deus Ex is better then the ME series is that it has a richer RPG system. In every other aspect, ME series is far better.

And, that dude sayd in the other thread that it has more dialogue than me1 and 2 combined. I have to laugh out loud at that and call him a big hater because deus exs dialogue is shorter then the ceremony where shepard has been made a spectre.

If Deus Ex gets the GOTY Award then yes, we can say it's better or at least equal with ME2, but we all know it won't.

[Ianamus]

marshalleck wrote...

I like that coercion attempts can fail if you don't pay attention to information supplied about an NPC's personality and attitude, instead of simply magically rewriting someone's entire worldview as is the case with Shepard using his magical paragon/renegade mind-control.

Yeah. I also liked the way that it didn't try to force you to pick a side (Paragon, Renegade), you could choose whatever you wanted to do in any situation, and justify your decisions however you wanted. 

I hope this dosen't get locked. I thought that it would be an interesting discussion, if it was done calmly and without insults/ swearing/ whatever. Although this is the BSN so I might be expecting too much from people 

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Wow, ... every now and then someone HAS to compare those two games.

I know that Deus Ex HR is a brilliant game, hell I am playing it myself nonstop since four days and am having great times.

Why can't people leave it at that?

Becuase it's shown us how good Mass Effect could be if they worked with the RPG elements rather than phasing them out. 

Modifié par EJ107, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[Chris Priestly]

littlezack wrote...

I hate to tell you, but this thread is probably going to be locked, too. Topics discussing other games typically are.

Where? Around here we not only allow them, we encourage them (like the Dragon Age vs The Witcher dialogs, etc). The previous thread was closed as mentioned for the foul language, not for the topic. Keep in mind that we do not allow people to bash developers (other companies or us). Saying "I prefer Deus Ex because" or "I think ME3 will not be as good as Deus Ex and heres why" etc is fine. Saying "BioWare sucks" "Eidos are terrible" or whatever is not allowed.

Also, posting images or image gifs without comment is considered spam and will not be tolerated.

[Ghost Lightning]

Edit: Do not spam these threads with images and gifs.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .

[MarchWaltz]

Dues Ex HR is a great game. One of the things that pisses me off, and I really can't forgive the dev team on this, that it only took me 29 hours to beat the game. Between the two games, DE vs ME, ME has way more replay-ability.

You can basically almost max out all your augs, and on my first play-through I basically did 100%,so there is little to no reason for me to go back and do the same exact quests again, obviously to choose diff dialogues, but gameplay wise there is not that much of a diff.

I did a super stealth guy on my first run, I am currently (I'm kinda forcing myself to try to get my monies worth) doing a full on combat guy my second, and honestly that is the only two ways you can play this game. In mass effect, I can be a sniper infil, cqc infil, dps sentinel, tank sentinel, support biotic, aggressive biotic (you can see where I am going with this).

And please, do not get me wrong, Dues Ex is a very great game and I highly recommend it to anyone ( personally, I think it gave me the first taste on how skyrim is going to be)

Like I said before, the game is way too short for what I was expecting, I played on the hardest difficulty and explored my ass off the majority of the time, maybe I could have squeezed an extra hour of two, but that's it.

Please don't preach me on the quality vs quantity issue.

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:44 .

[Mister Mida]

String910 wrote...

If Deus Ex gets the GOTY Award then yes, we can say it's better or at least equal with ME2, but we all know it won't.

So... getting the same awards == same or better quality?

Modifié par Mister Mida, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[crimzontearz]

deus ex lacks NG+....no purhase

[marshalleck]

MarchWaltz wrote...

I did a super stealth guy on my first run, I am currently doing a full on combat guy my second, and honestly that is the only two ways you can play this game. In mass effect, I can be a sniper infil, cqc infil, dps sentinel, tank sentinel, support biotic, aggressive biotic (you can see where I am going with this).

I think you're greatly overstating the gameplay differences between those classes. ME2's character spec system is so completely watered down that the only real difference is how YOU the player choose to approach combat, i.e. is this Shepard going to be a cover-hog, charge in head first, etc. etc. 

[The Spamming Troll]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Wow, ... every now and then someone HAS to compare those two games.

I know that Deus Ex HR is a brilliant game, hell I am playing it myself nonstop since four days and am having great times.

Why can't people leave it at that?

because we want them to steal from great RPGs, not just gears and CoD.

[Ianamus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

littlezack wrote...

I hate to tell you, but this thread is probably going to be locked, too. Topics discussing other games typically are.

Where? Around here we not only allow them, we encourage them (like the Dragon Age vs The Witcher dialogs, etc). The previous thread was closed as mentioned for the foul language, not for the topic. Keep in mind that we do not allow people to bash developers (other companies or us). Saying "I prefer Deus Ex because" or "I think ME3 will not be as good as Deus Ex and heres why" etc is fine. Saying "BioWare sucks" "Eidos are terrible" or whatever is not allowed.

Also, posting images or image gifs without comment is considered spam and will not be tolerated.

Thank you Chris  I'll admit, when I saw you had posted here I was worried that this thread had been locked as well. 

Modifié par EJ107, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:46 .

[Il Divo]

Not that I love Mass Effect less, but I love Deus Ex more. It's just awesome like that.

[Nashiktal]

I have to say though, I think a new rule should be implemented that if anyone mentions popcorn, or posts a gig involving it, they should be banned.

They are part of the reason threads get locked down. Spam adds nothing to the conversation.

[Shepard Lives]

EJ107 wrote...
 while Mass Effect's always tells you whether or not what your doing is right or wrong

What. WHAT.

[littlezack]

All right, fair enough. For my money.

Deus Ex: HR
+Allows for more customization with weapons
+Has more immediately apparant decisions and repercussions.
+Has more variety in terms of combat options
+Detailed world
-Weak dialogue, at least with Adam (I find him to be very boring)
-Though the game allows for stealth and combat, it clearly wants you to favor towards stealth - straight combat is an option, but it's almost always a stupid one
-Lack of enemy variety
-Fairly few interesting characters

I think Deus Ex is a fine game, but aside from some bits in the dialogue, there isn't too much I'd put in ME3 (as if that's even possible at this point, anyway) They're different beasts.

[nelly21]

Oh goody.

Another "my new new favorite game is better than your old new favorite game". I'm just going to grab a mountain dew and watch the hilarity commence.

Modifié par nelly21, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[Il Divo]

EJ107 wrote...

It's popular and praised despite being fairly complex, and I think that it really has put Mass Effect to shame. Other than a few issues I had with it (The ending didn't have enough closure with certain characters, and you couldn't customise Adam and make him more your character) I'm really worried that Mass Effect 3 won't be half the game it is. 

*potential Human Revolutions Spoilers*



Agreed on the closure. Given how much the game stresses the relationship between Adam and Megan, it was disappointing to see that we didn't learn anything more and that it was thrown aside completely.

[United_Strafes]

Where are these threads coming from, they're 2 totally seperate games who's similarity really ends at the sci-fi setting. The gameplay is not close to the same.

[Epic777]

littlezack wrote...

All right, fair enough. For my money.

Deus Ex: HR
+Allows for more customization with weapons
+Has more immediately apparant decisions and repercussions.
+Has more variety in terms of combat options
+Detailed world
-Weak dialogue, at least with Adam (I find him to be very boring)
-Though the game allows for stealth and combat, it clearly wants you to favor towards stealth - straight combat is an option, but it's almost always a stupid one
-Lack of enemy variety
-Fairly few interesting characters

I think Deus Ex is a fine game, but aside from some bits in the dialogue, there isn't too much I'd put in ME3 (as if that's even possible at this point, anyway) They're different beasts.

Just like Deus Ex:1