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[Porenferser]

Seriously, their Re-Design (in contrary to Hurlocks and Ogres) in Legacy is fine, but they are WAY to big!
Their origin is dwarven, they aren't suppose to be bigger then Humans or Hurlocks.

[Xilizhra]

I initially thought your name was "Pornserfer." Imagine my joy on being proven wrong.

Anyway. I think what was mostly inherited was dwarven sturdiness, not necessarily size.

[whykikyouwhy]

I'm sure that their girth could be explained a myriad of ways - they spent a lot of time in the prison gym, they took some lyrium (or taint) steroids, they ate a lot of cheese, etc. Or maybe they're packed full of extra pestilence due to other entities in and around the prison - that could cause some bloating.

[hoorayforicecream]

Genlocks don't look that much bigger than dwarves (about the same proportion from dwarf::genlock as Qunari::Ogre). Genlock Alphas are huge, but I can forgive it because they're alphas. It makes me wonder how big an Ogre Alpha must be.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Porenferser wrote...

Seriously, their Re-Design (in contrary to Hurlocks and Ogres) in Legacy is fine, but they are WAY to big!
Their origin is dwarven, they aren't suppose to be bigger then Humans or Hurlocks.

Their Dwarven ancestry can be seen from thier long arms compared to rest of their body. And isn't it only the Alphas which are larger than humans? (with the Hurlock Alphas even bigger)

[thats1evildude]

By this logic, ogres should be the same size as qunari.

[TEWR]

If anything, the new Genlocks adhere to the codex more than the Origins Genlocks ever did. You really thought that a cucumber skinned Gremlin came from a Dwarven Broodmother?

Genlocks have a build that is similar to the Dwarves, and we know that the taint distorts the size of a Darkspawn in relation to the race it originated from (how else do you explain 20 ft. tall Ogres compared to 8 ft. tall Kossith, or Broodmothers like Laryn when Dwarves are 4.5 feet tall?).

The codex also says the Genlocks rose up out of the earth, and the Genlocks do that just fine.

The only thing I really dislike about the new Genlocks is their armor. I'd prefer it if they had half-assed armor and not just a patch of metal on their arms and head.

That said, I'd prefer the Genlock Alphas be a few inches smaller than a Hurlock grunt, or the Hurlocks be made a few inches taller (with the Alphas also being made taller).

Genlock Alphas have to be bigger though since they command lesser Genlocks, usually through bullying.

[Torax]

Shrieks are quite a bit larger than Elves and no one seemed to care about that.

[TEWR]

Torax wrote...

Shrieks are quite a bit larger than Elves and no one seemed to care about that.

They also moved like primates in Origins, yet no one had a problem with that.

[ruleonecardio]

Shrieks didn't get a redesign like the other darkspawn. (or did they, I don't recall seeing a shriek in da2)

[thats1evildude]

ruleonecardio wrote...

Shrieks didn't get a redesign like the other darkspawn. (or did they, I don't recall seeing a shriek in da2)

There weren't any shrieks in DA2. I haven't played Legacy yet.

[Zanallen]

The elves were redesigned to look more like shrieks.

[Torax]

The shrieks looked basically like a darkspawn version of a werewolf. Was simply pointing out the one darkspawn that truly didn't have any relation to the race that makes them visually. In fact the tie to it is weaker still. You only come across 1 Elf turned Werewolf in Origins, the rest are humans. Yet the Shrieks come from elven broodmothers. Weak on all accounts.

[TEWR]

ruleonecardio wrote...

Shrieks didn't get a redesign like the other darkspawn. (or did they, I don't recall seeing a shriek in da2)

They did. They weren't in any part of the game so far, but they will probably be in a DLC.




in the middle area. Needless to say, I disapprove of the new shrieks. There are a few elements that I like about them, but overall I hate the new shrieks

[FieryDove]

Zanallen wrote...

The elves were redesigned to look more like shrieks.

No Halla.

[thats1evildude]

I don't know where you got that image, Ethereal Writer Redux, but assuming it's something recovered from the game files and totally legit, that middle creature looks more like a hurlock rogue.

I'll believe it when a dev pops into the thread and says "Yes, dat's the new Shrieks."

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 septembre 2011 - 11:31 .

[TEWR]

FieryDove wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

The elves were redesigned to look more like shrieks.

No Halla.

I don't know about that.










Genitivi's codex entry on the halla doesn't say they are both beautiful in the same ways. Just that they're both beautiful.

The Shrieks have more similarites to the DAII elves than the halla do (which unless I'm missing something, they aren't similar). And there are elements of the DAII shrieks that are similar to the DAII elves, but they're horrendously done.

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

I don't know where you got that image, Ethereal Writer Redux, but assuming it's something recovered from the game files and totally legit, that middle creature looks more like a hurlock rogue.

I'll believe it when a dev pops into the thread and says "Yes, dat's the new Shrieks."

I don't think it's a new hurlock. For one, the Hurlock grunts and alphas have regular ears. For another thing, the Shrieks used the same type of weapons that the Darkspawn above is using.

If they do give the Hurlocks pointy ears, I'll be pissed. They're trying to make the Darkspawn look like a twisted version of each race (though DAII did this horribly), and slapping pointy ears on a Hurlock just makes that goal pointless.

[thats1evildude]

The other hurlocks (including the alpha) are wearing helmets or those chainmail hoods, so you can't tell what their ears look like. The hurlock emissaries have pointy ears, however. And your shriek has the same skin tones as the other hurlocks.

I'll point out yet again that, even in Origins, darkspawn did not exactly match up to their parent race. Genlocks had pointed ears and dwarves do not. Hurlocks had NO ears while humans do.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:24 .

[Macropodmum]

Actually in those 2 pictures Orsino does look more like the halla than the shrieks   Funnily enough I don't think that darkspawn are just meant to represent twisted physical versions of their non tainted counterparts but also their psychological makeup. 

@whykickyouwhy ~ you forgot too many twinkies

[Arthur Cousland]

There were also genlock emissaries in Origins, when dwarves aren't supposed to be able to cast spells.

^at least Sandal can't, at this point, though that's debatable.

[EmperorSahlertz]

thats1evildude wrote...

ruleonecardio wrote...

Shrieks didn't get a redesign like the other darkspawn. (or did they, I don't recall seeing a shriek in da2)

There weren't any shrieks in DA2. I haven't played Legacy yet.

All the emissaries encountered in DA2 were of Elven origin.

[thats1evildude]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

All the emissaries encountered in DA2 were of Elven origin.

Are you certain? Because that would be a significant retcon from the first game, where the emissaries were all hurlocks or genlocks. What are you basing that on?

[EmperorSahlertz]

There is nothing in the lore which states that Shrieks (or even Ogres for that matter) can't be emissaries, so it isn't a retcon. I think it was DG which talked about here on the forum. Otherwise, the fact that the emissaries in DA2 got obvious Elven features, should be enough.