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[marstor05]

Matrix Revolutions is just a cop out. Ending to ME3 has gotta be pretty awesome - or the franchise will die.

Also....The Big Bad Wolf said....

But most of the popular stories the main character lives.

Star Wars
Star Trek
Lord of The Rings ????


In LOTR Frodo goes to the undying lands - which is tolkiens way of saying that he dies.

[KingNothing125]

Valinor is the undying lands... what makes you think he died there?

[AquamanOS]

After killing Shep at the beginning of 2, any further death would lose all emotional impact. The 2nd death at the end of 2 doesn't really count because it's a bit more than just Shep dying, implied that the rest of the galaxy is now doomed anyway.

[shnellegaming]

I forget who said it but one Dev says this is the end and if the Mass Effect universe goes on we will not see any cameos or anything of Shepard in any other games.  So yeah I got a bad feeling that Shepard is going out in a blaze of glory.

[KingNothing125]

There's lots of ways to continue the Mass Effect universe without Shepard, without killing Shep off. They could do a prequel, or set it a hundred+ years in the future. Or it could be something like Star Wars Galaxies or LOTRO or Dragon Age 2 where it happens at the same general time, yet manages to avoid contact with most or all of the main characters.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:05 .

[Leonia]

Or Shepard could go on a journey looking for the Exile and Revan, maybe running into the Warden and Hawke along the way..

Modifié par leonia42, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:13 .

[Siven80]

Promotion

[stjasonl]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Valinor is the undying lands... what makes you think he died there?

It's the middle earth version of heaven 

[KingNothing125]

Nay, sir. It is a bit of land like any other. Inaccessible to anyone but elves and the mortals they choose (Frodo, Bilbo, then later Samwise and Gimli), but it's still part of Middle Earth.

Tolkien says mortals stay mortal, so Frodo et al will all die eventually regardless, but I assure you they were alive when they got there. To argue that Frodo dies at the end of RotK is silly.

In fact, the only member of the Fellowship to die at any time during the story was Boromir. And the only major supporting character who dies was King Theoden. All those folks complaining about "plot armor" for various Mass Effect characters ought to think about that for a while

[RubyRed1975]

I hope Shepard doesn't die. Been there and done that with ME2. So please no more Shep death for the sake of a story line.

[stjasonl]

Denial is a powerful thing.

[KingNothing125]

christoffee wrote...


Didn't see MR.

Thank your lucky stars, then.

It is the copout to end all copouts.

Neo negotiates a truce with the machines. The machines get to keep the matrix going, but they'll let the unbelievers (like Neo, Morpheus, etc.... the people who question their reality) leave freely. And the humans get to keep Zion and eek out a living in the bowels of the earth, eating lichens or whatever they do down there.

It was supergarbage. Like Shepard negotiating with the Reapers would be.

[Siven80]

I try to forget that there were any sequals to the first Matrix and i live happily

Modifié par Siven80, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:02 .

[KingNothing125]

lol. I tried that, but really... that saying is true.

What has been seen cannot be unseen

[SpaceGhost88]

Unless DLC forces you to start again, I seriously doubt this will be the case.

And DLC forcing you to start again would cause much rage I imagine ^^

[S.A.K]

BW said there are many ways that ME3 can end. Its unlikely Shepard will end up dead in all of them.

[Ross42899]

Shepard died already at the begining of ME2. Letting Shepard die again would be...stupid. (And if Shepard dies again there would always be the possibility he/she is restored again... )

[marstor05]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Nay, sir. It is a bit of land like any other. Inaccessible to anyone but elves and the mortals they choose (Frodo, Bilbo, then later Samwise and Gimli), but it's still part of Middle Earth.  

Tolkien says mortals stay mortal, so Frodo et al will all die eventually regardless, but I assure you they were alive when they got there. To argue that Frodo dies at the end of RotK is silly.

yep on the Frodo to the Undying lands bit.  Its kind of a metaphor at the end of the book when he leaves.  The gift of going to the undying lands is that he can never return.  So although you might say he didnt die (which is factually correct), to those left behind in middle earth he was but a memory.

"Undying Lands was a name for Aman, or at least that part of it inhabited by the Valar, Maiar and Elves. The island of Tol Eressëa is several times identified as the easternmost of the Undying Lands, and, at the least, Valinor must also be included. 

"Undying Lands" seems to be a name that originated among Men. The Númenóreans, especially, envied the seemingly endless life of those who lived in these regions. From the first, the Valar placed a ban on the Men of Númenor, that they should not sail into the West from their island, or set foot on the shores of Aman.

Wise as the Valar were, though, they did not foresee the wiles of Sauron. The fallen Maia falsely persuaded the last King of Númenor, Ar-Pharazôn, that the ruler of the Undying Lands would be undying himself. Believing Sauron, Ar-Pharazôn assembled a great navy and sailed westward to make hopeless war on the Valar for the imagined prize of endless life.

The Valar could not permit this: Manwë called upon Ilúvatar, and the land of Númenor was destroyed and lost forever. The Undying Lands, which until that time had been part of the World, were removed forever from the reach of mortal Men, though the Elves could still sail West and come there, if they would.

It is to the Undying Lands that the White Ship sails at the end of The Lord of the Rings. The Ring-bearers, Bilbo Baggins and Frodo, were among the very few mortal beings to set foot on the shores of the Undying Lands. Tolkien is careful to point out, though, that even in Aman mortals remain mortal."

[Alamar2078]

stjasonl wrote...

 Any one else think their is no ending which Commander Shepard lives?  Bioware has stated a few things such as this being a definive ending for the Commander and the game will make you cry.  I know I could be wrong, but what would you feel if this is the case.

To a degree if there was no possible way that Shepard could "live" [even in a Reaper dominated galaxy hiding like a roach in his own version of deep space] I would be disappointed because I couldn't really create my own story.

On the other hand considering Shep may have been rebuilt with some reaper tech or at least [per Project Overlord] is succeptable to being hacked I could see that the only way to "win" would be via some sort of sacrifice ...

[Aradace]

stjasonl wrote...

@ Aradace
I wouldn't mind at all if Shepard died in the end as long as it was more than just missing a jump into the shuttle. It could be a really good story if he has to die to stop the Reapers, as long as they did it right and wouldn't take away any re-play value for me. I'm not trying to bash Bioware and very clearly said "I could be wrong". I feel it's the way the story should end.

There is also nothing that would stop me from buying game, and I have been reading info that's been easily found.  Am I part of your read every post on the boards, all twitter post and every single video game sight religion no.  I did think that bioware said they would not talk about dlc until the game was released, and have never heard of any post game dlc confirmation.

Problem is, not EVERYONE would like would like an ending where Shep dies.  Myself included.  I did not play my Shep, mold my Shep's personality and decisions over the past 2 games to have that tossed to the wind by him dying in the 3rd.  It'd be stupid and cliche (too cliche).  Which is why Im glad that this isnt going to be the case.  Secondly, it's not hard to keep up on all the info.  If you take a quick search for Phaedon's thread that has all the news and updates, you'd find it's rather easy to keep up with it.  Not difficult at all.

In the end, Im pretty sure there will be at least one ending where Shep dies.  And Im sure there will be folks who find this appealing because for whatever reason, they think jumping on their own proverbial swords is cool and/or noble somehow.  I dont agree with them in the slightest, but I can respect their wanting to do that.

[Aradace]

crimzontearz wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Either way, information is power.  The more you know now, the less you may have to complain about later.  Or at least you know what to expect.  We'd also have fewer threads like this one where the topic is talking about something we already know is or isnt going to happen.

which actually makes me think

where is the line drawn? I mean, Developers want to keep us in the dark about the story......fine

but in the eventuality of a scenario like the one proposed by the OP then I, as a customer, I think I should have the right to know about this arrangement because I do not want to buy a game that ends that way. I knew how Halo Reach was going to end and I did not buy it Just like I knew that NG+ was the one feature the lack of which would have made me NOT buy  DA2......upon realizing it was not there I simply dropped the game altogether from my preorder list

As a customer, should I not be informed of a feature that would realistically NOT make me buy a product? 

The lack of knowledge of such features/instances is like buying a candy bar without being allowed to know its flavor in my opinion

but I am digressing

Well, as I said, it's already been stated that we get to choose essentially how it all ends.  I know that's not the issue but Im just reiterating it.  Secondlly, even if you buy the game without any information before hand on the title, are disappointed, then get rid of it, they'll utlimately end up losing money still in the long run because that one person will tell 2 people not to buy the game because of the BS ending or whatever else.  Then those 2 people will tell 2 more people, and so on and so forth.  Which is why information is key to the marketing process.  

Even with a snickers bar, they essentially tell you how it tastes before you find out yourself.  "The taste of fresh roasted peanuts and creamy caramel...." blah blah blah "grab a snickers" something to that effect.

Im not sure if what Ive stated touches at all on what you said.  If not, I apologize for not reading it properly lol

[Kyria Nyriese]

leonia42 wrote...

Or Shepard could go on a journey looking for the Exile and Revan, maybe running into the Warden and Hawke along the way..

My thoughts exacly...

I don't mind if there is/are an ending/endings where Shepard dies.  As long as I can do something to avoid it.  Personally I think Bioware will do their normal thing and Shepard will go off into the sunset.

[celuloid]

He already died. And as we all know from real life experience, you can die only once.

Unless you are into hack writing.

[KainrycKarr]

This is a moot argument. We KNOW there will be at least one ending where Shepard lives, due to how the NG + is going to work.