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[ThePwener]

Muzyka elaborated to PC Gamer:

"We have ambitious plans to continue this franchise going forward. Mass Effect 3 is simultaneously a couple of different things: a thrilling and epic conclusion to the trilogy as we promised our fans we'd provide for Commander Shepard, but it's also a brand new beginning - it's an entry point for new fans."

Im trying to understand the thinking behind this but I always end up with the same thing; BW has sold out.

Not trying to cause a "bw/ea es evul!" thread here, just pointing out the obvious (totally different). They tried making ME2 into an "entry point" for the series, and it turned out so wrong and confusing that they had to make a comic for the PS3 ver. after the Xbox newcomers started cramping it here asking who Kaidan/Ashley were and why they should care about them. Bottom line is, the comic wasn't that great either.

Here's hoping ME3 doesn't try to do the same and carter to new people isntead of the old fans who are the ones they should be pleasing. ME3 should in no way be "an entry point" to the ME storyline, even if it's just for the action. GoW3 is a trilogy (I think) and I haven't heard anyone saying how it is a great tome to get acquainted to the series. It's the end, finito, le finale.

How can you get introduced to something that is also marketed as the protagonist's definite ending? It makes no damn sense unless they are trying to get people to buy ME1/2 and that just shows that care only for sales *cough* EA *cough*.

Want to get acquainted with the series? Get the first two games, otherwise don't even bother. Trying to make ME3 into an entry point makes no sense. 

Want more? Damn James Vega is designed to be the greenhorn of the team who we have to explain everything to. This is one of those situations where you design a character depending on past choices. You jumped into the game without importing? You get Greenhorn Vega and his naive ways. You Imported from ME2? You get seasoned Vega who knows a thing or two about the galaxy. You imported from ME1? You get veteran Vega, who has been all over the galaxy and knows as much of politics and alien culture as much as much as Shepard.

Thoughts? No trolling/hating, please, Im being 100% serious with this, be mature, I know some people here who feel as strongly as I do, so don't backstab me now for the sake of lulz.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Because they'll sell more copies that way.

Next question.

[KotorEffect3]

Hasn't this thread already happened?

[ThePwener]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because they'll sell more copies that way.

Next question.

Well that went better then I expected.

[K_Tabris]

Not-so-clever marketing?

[DaringMoosejaw]

Because a marketing guy saying, "DON'T BUY THIS GAME IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE OTHER TWO," is going to be fired.

[Aoba]

I don't really know how, but hey, if this "entry point" allows me to recruit the likes of Mr. Awesome (aka Big Ben), who am I to complain? I just go with the flow, which usually ends in fewer arguments, come to think of it. Always a plus when postin' at BSN.

[marshalleck]

How? Easy.

Remember how ME2 had very little to do with anything in ME1? Well, get ready for that again in ME3. The game's plot and characters will be written that it is a standalone game, with a sprinkling of cameos here and there for the importers, as well as tons of email.

[shepskisaac]

The won't be a comic this time, most people think choices to make for new players will be incorporated into the trial hearings at the beginning, or perhaps even depend on some of the responses given to Vega (just like you were establishing Revan's gender and alignment in KOTOR 2 by answering Atton's questions). So it shouldn't feel as meaningless as in the Genesis.

And then there's the location sequence in ME3. Earth -> Mars -> Greater Galaxy. I can easily see how it will feel natural for new players, basically recreating the humanity's path from their homeworld, to Mars (first colonized planet other than Earth), to the exploration of the Galaxy.

Having resolutions to many local conflicts means there will be basic background info on these conflicts contained in the missions by default, regardless if they tried to cater to the newcomers or not. Krogan Genophage, Geth vs. Quarian etc. And last but not least, having Mars as the location, possible Prothean squadmate and direct encounters with the Reapers and the entire game being about the Reapers will provide Prothean/Reaper info also regardless if they aimed to attract the newcomers or not.

So yeah, I agree with them that this could be a good entry point and their analogy where ME1&ME2 are the Prequel Trilogy (of Star Wars) and ME3 is the Original Trilogy is not a bad comparison.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[ThePwener]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Because a marketing guy saying, "DON'T BUY THIS GAME IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE OTHER TWO," is going to be fired.

The probem with that is the irony in it being the right thing to do.They planed ME to be a story viewed from 1 to 3. Then they got sloppy in 2 with either bad planning or "newcomers" getting confused. If they were waiting until ME3 to let everything loose, that is bad planning.

2 years passed between ME1 to ME2, and from ME2 one year passes before ME3. The first gap is larger for the choices to take effect, but all we see is emails, mentions and small (small!) cameos that don't really add anything other then cheap closure. And it's like they did that in the end since we meet everyone in that one port in that one planet instaed of it being spread all over like it should be.

[Kusy]

It's awesome how people still pay any kind of attention to what Ray Muzyka says... after BioWare bazaar.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Bioware is a business. Their job is to sell games, one of their goals is growth. Growth allows them to expand and make new games on a more regular basis.

What sense does it make to avoid trying to sell the game to more people just to make people who've played the game before feel like special snowflakes? There are other ways to reward long-term players and they don't have to be at the expense of new ones.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:37 .

[ThePwener]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Bioware is a business. Their job is to sell games, one of their goals is growth. Growth allows them to expand and make new games on a more regular basis.

What sense does it make to avoid trying to sell the game to more people just to make people who've played the game before feel like special snowflakes? There are other ways to reward long-term players and they don't have to be at the expense of new ones.

I disagree, specially since EA bought BW between ME1 and ME2. As in, they dictate everything BW should do to fit they're *cough* greedy *cough* interests.

[DaringMoosejaw]

ThePwener wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Bioware is a business. Their job is to sell games, one of their goals is growth. Growth allows them to expand and make new games on a more regular basis.

What sense does it make to avoid trying to sell the game to more people just to make people who've played the game before feel like special snowflakes? There are other ways to reward long-term players and they don't have to be at the expense of new ones.

I disagree, specially since EA bought BW between ME1 and ME2. As in, they dictate everything BW should do to fit they're *cough* greedy *cough* interests.

Because Bioware was a charity before?

If EA didn't buy Bioware, they wouldn't have nearly the budget or resources they currently do. We might still be waiting for ME2 for all we know, if ME2 was even going to exist.

[Kusy]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Bioware is a business.

And that's perfectly fine with me, I would probobly do as much bull**** advertisment, lie and do many more things to sell my games if I were responsible for selling games...

...wait... actualy I was responsible for selling games for a while, and guess what I did as a customer advisor in the video games shop I worked in, I advertised games I never played, consoles I have never touched... been there, did that, was paid for it.

And that insight doesn't prevent me from being annoyed as all nine circles of hell about it when it's so obvious and done to me.

[NYG1991]

ME3 is a good entry point if you like prequels. Just play thru and call the other games episode one and two.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Bioware is a business.

And that's perfectly fine with me, I would probobly do as much bull**** advertisment, lie and do many more things to sell my games if I were responsible for selling games...

...wait... actualy I was responsible for selling games for a while, and guess what I did as a customer advisor in the video games shop I worked in, I advertised games I never played, consoles I have never touched... been there, did that, was paid for it.

And that insight doesn't prevent me from being annoyed as all nine circles of hell about it when it's so obvious and done to me.

Well when their current marketing approach results in dismal sales, I'm sure they'll wise up and hire someone like you.

[crimzontearz]

Because Bioware does not have the quad to come through on the promises made while trying to sell ME1.....mainly because catering to the lazy and the stupid and the drooling casual means more $$$

[ThePwener]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Because Bioware was a charity before?

If EA didn't buy Bioware, they wouldn't have nearly the budget or resources they currently do. We might still be waiting for ME2 for all we know, if ME2 was even going to exist.

I see the logic, but BW caved in too easily in turning ME into Gears of War in space. They should have stayed they're ground and sold ME for what it was, not **** all over it with streamlined combat, no matter how shiny the picture are or how smooth the gameplay is.

[Kusy]

NYG1991 wrote...

ME3 is a good entry point if you like prequels. Just play thru and call the other games episode one and two.

Wikipedia, the internet oracle of all times said...

A prequel is a work that supplements a previously completed one, and has an earlier time setting.

Just as Brotherhood of the Ring and Two Towers are not prequels to Return of The King, Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 are not prequels to Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[ThePwener]

NYG1991 wrote...

ME3 is a good entry point if you like prequels. Just play thru and call the other games episode one and two.

That didn't go so great last time I checked.

[KotorEffect3]

marshalleck wrote...

How? Easy.

Remember how ME2 had very little to do with anything in ME1? Well, get ready for that again in ME3. The game's plot and characters will be written that it is a standalone game, with a sprinkling of cameos here and there for the importers, as well as tons of email.

Maybe you should wait until you actualy play the game before you make that assumption.  ME 2 had to account for continuity that is why it had less wiggle room.  I wish people that condemn ME 2 would learn to look at the bigger picture.

[sedrikhcain]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Because they'll sell more copies that way.

Next question.

Yep. That really is the answer. It doesn't make any sense but the people they're trying to snag with that marketing line are the same ones they're hoping will pick up the game for the first time because Shep now has an Omni-Blade, so you have to consider the audience they're trying to pick up here. They know BSN folks are going to buy the game.

[DaringMoosejaw]

ThePwener wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Because Bioware was a charity before?

If EA didn't buy Bioware, they wouldn't have nearly the budget or resources they currently do. We might still be waiting for ME2 for all we know, if ME2 was even going to exist.

I see the logic, but BW caved in too easily in turning ME into Gears of War in space. They should have stayed they're ground and sold ME for what it was, not **** all over it with streamlined combat, no matter how shiny the picture are or how smooth the gameplay is.

Many people disagree with you. Of course, you've dismissed those people I'm sure as drooling idiots like the other fellow in the thread so their opinion doesn't matter to a true connoisseur such as yourself.

[Kusy]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
Well when their current marketing approach results in dismal sales, I'm sure they'll wise up and hire someone like you.

Man, that's marketing. Don't attack me just because I said it, if I would tell people that games my employer is selling suck ass, considering that some of them did and accesories that were absolutely useless, considering that some of them were, I'd loose the job.

I lost it anyways, but that's because I got into an argument with the wrong person to argue with.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:56 .