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[crimzontearz]

sighs.,..Microsoft should have bought Bioware........I'd have been happy

[ThePwener]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Many people disagree with you. Of course, you've dismissed those people I'm sure as drooling idiots like the other fellow in the thread so their opinion doesn't matter to a true connoisseur such as yourself.

Okay, now your just being mean. If someone takes the time to spent it here on the BSN strugggling trhough all the bs and real idiots to make one decent comment, they're ok in my book.

[C9316]

Bioware's crappy marketing is crappy, y'all aren't serious surprised right?

[ThePwener]

Oh great, it's pony guy.

[RAF1940]

I agree. If you're going to start with the second/third game of a series, you should expect to be a bit confused.

[armass]

Simple answer: It's not. Middle or ending point of any story trilogy is never a good place to step in.

New gamers come in and they dont know anything about anything thats happening. Who Am I, Where am I, When am I, what are these big things that are attacking Earth, who is that black guy(anderson), what the hell is going on?

New gamers never will experience the same joy playing the game the first time as those of us that have been here from the beginning, even if they spend the first hour of the game reading codex and other things.

Modifié par armass, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[Kusy]

armass wrote...

Simple answer: It's not.

New gamers come in and they dont know anything about anything thats happening. Who Am I, Where am I, When am I, what are these big things that are attacking Earth, who is that black guy(anderson), what the hell is going on?

Show me a "gamer" that would be new to Mass Effect series. Seriously, I don't even know who's this marketing targeting. Someone who never played the first two games won't buy the third, he will pirate it to check out if he likes it at best, there also are chances that he will pirate the first two prior to checking out that game considering how much hype it's building - or in the winning scenario, he'll buy the two previous ones because they are pretty cheap right now, ME1 Deluxe was added to a gaming magazine in my country a month ago or something like that.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:06 .

[crimzontearz]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

armass wrote...

Simple answer: It's not.

New gamers come in and they dont know anything about anything thats happening. Who Am I, Where am I, When am I, what are these big things that are attacking Earth, who is that black guy(anderson), what the hell is going on?

Show me a "gamer" that would be new to Mass Effect series. Seriously, I don't even know who's this marketing targeting. Someone who never played the first two games won't buy the third, he will pirate it to check out if he likes it at best, there also are chances that he will pirate the first two prior to checking out that game considering how much hype it's building. Or yeah, if he has too much cash he might buy it, because he won't miss those 50 bucks or something, or he will buy it because he's an idiot.

So I just anwsered the question, people with too many money and idiots. BioWare's marketing target.

someone made the same argument for ME2

they were wrong

[Kusy]

crimzontearz wrote...
someone made the same argument for ME2

they were wrong

I edited my post, but anyhow... you won't prove them wrong, and you won't prove what I wrote wrong... because I'm stil ready to say that people who bought Mass Effect 2 never even touching Mass Effect 1 were idiots and/or had too much money on their hands.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:08 .

[A Great Biotic Wind]

NYG1991 wrote...

ME3 is a good entry point if you like prequels. Just play thru and call the other games episode one and two.

The things is that both the gameplay, and the graphics has gotten a lot better between the games. 

It's the way the themes of the game are projected onto the gamer. ME3 can be seen as a game with many harsh decisions, visceral combat, and crazy cinematics, and that's what Bioware is going to sell to newcomers. While the first game projects mainly: "Discovery & Exploration." The third is going to be a horrible game for newcomers,\\. When they play the first they will see that the graphics are dated, the cinematics are dule, and the gameplay is sloppy.

I'm not saying the first sucks, in fact it's my favorite of the series. But it's only my favorite because of the story. This is what it comes down to. Both casual & hardcore gamers are going to be dissapointed. Only players who want story will be impressed. They need to play the first game, so then they wont have the second game to compare to.

For instance, I have two friends IRL that have played ME2 before the first. One's casual, the other hardcore. The casual friend played the second game, downloaded the DLC, and claimed he was an absolute fan. I let him borrow the first game, he returned the game within a week (again, he's casual and only plays for an hour a day) stating he beat the game. Altogether he had around ten hours in, didn't do any of the optional side quests, didn't recruit Garrus or Liara, didn't talk to anybody while aboard the normandy (no romance either), never upgraded anything, hardly bought armor, only unlocked main story achievments (on casual), and was only around level thirty.

The hardcore gamer never beat the game (he couldn't get himself to do it).

Modifié par A Great Biotic Wind, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:13 .

[KotorEffect3]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
someone made the same argument for ME2

they were wrong

I edited my post, but anyhow... you won't prove them wrong, and you won't prove what I wrote wrong... because I'm stil ready to say that people who bought Mass Effect 2 never even touching Mass Effect 1 were idiots and/or had too much money on their hands.

What if they bought ME 1 afterwards because they fell in love with ME 2?

[111987]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
someone made the same argument for ME2

they were wrong

I edited my post, but anyhow... you won't prove them wrong, and you won't prove what I wrote wrong... because I'm stil ready to say that people who bought Mass Effect 2 never even touching Mass Effect 1 were idiots and/or had too much money on their hands.

I resent that, as I bought Mass Effect 2 without ever touching Mass Effect 1. I looked up the story and watched cut scenes on youtube, but I never played the game. I bought Mass Effect 2 because it got some of the best reviews of all time.

[Kusy]

111987 wrote...
I resent that, as I bought Mass Effect 2 without ever touching Mass Effect 1. I looked up the story and watched cut scenes on youtube, but I never played the game. I bought Mass Effect 2 because it got some of the best reviews of all time.

If it blows your whistle. Sure.

KotorEffect3 wrote...What if they bought ME 1 afterwards because they fell in love with ME 2?

What if I'd decide to lern common sense after biting an electricity cable? Biting the cable still seems pretty stupid. 

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:17 .

[KotorEffect3]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
someone made the same argument for ME2

they were wrong

I edited my post, but anyhow... you won't prove them wrong, and you won't prove what I wrote wrong... because I'm stil ready to say that people who bought Mass Effect 2 never even touching Mass Effect 1 were idiots and/or had too much money on their hands.

Dude you need to chill, yes the series will be much better for those of us that have been around since the ME 1 days but calling late comers idiots is just immature and juvenile.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
someone made the same argument for ME2

they were wrong

I edited my post, but anyhow... you won't prove them wrong, and you won't prove what I wrote wrong... because I'm stil ready to say that people who bought Mass Effect 2 never even touching Mass Effect 1 were idiots and/or had too much money on their hands.

...I didn't play ME1,but I read alot about it,and had friends explain it in detail, I don't much appreciate being called an idiot.

[FlyingWalrus]

I don't know, how was Return of the Jedi as an entry point for new Star Wars fans?

[Kusy]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Dude you need to chill, yes the series will be much better for those of us that have been around since the ME 1 days but calling late comers idiots is just immature and juvenile.

I am chilled, my attitude, that's probobly a place for improvement. Still, I hold my ground - starting a trilogy from the second part is against common sense.

[crimzontearz]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

111987 wrote...
I resent that, as I bought Mass Effect 2 without ever touching Mass Effect 1. I looked up the story and watched cut scenes on youtube, but I never played the game. I bought Mass Effect 2 because it got some of the best reviews of all time.

If it blows your whistle. Sure.

KotorEffect3 wrote...What if they bought ME 1 afterwards because they fell in love with ME 2?

What if I'd decide to lern common sense after biting an electricity cable? Biting the cable still seems pretty stupid. 

sooooooooooooo all PS3 MAss Effect players are idiots with too much money?

am I as well because I played Crysis 2 without playing crysis 1 but did watch rntire playthroughs on youtube to bring myself up to speed?

[crimzontearz]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Dude you need to chill, yes the series will be much better for those of us that have been around since the ME 1 days but calling late comers idiots is just immature and juvenile.

I am chilled, my attitude, that's probobly a place for improvement. Still, I hold my ground - starting a trilogy from the second part is against common sense.

I agree with you

yet a lot of people did it anyway...some of them because they had no choice

some of them also had the common sense to do their homework first

[KotorEffect3]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Dude you need to chill, yes the series will be much better for those of us that have been around since the ME 1 days but calling late comers idiots is just immature and juvenile.

I am chilled, my attitude, that's probobly a place for improvement. Still, I hold my ground - starting a trilogy from the second part is against common sense.

Maybe the first simply didn't catch their eye?  I bought the first Mass Effect because I loved KOTOR and I saw that the people that made KOTOR had come out with a new game in a sci-fi setting and then I eventualy loved Mass Effect for what it was.  Oh and the funny thing with KOTOR is that I actualy played KOTOR 2 before KOTOR 1 but after playing KOTOR 2 I got curious about the first one so I bought the first one.  BTW I also played HALO 3 without even touching the first two HALOS and to this day I have not played the first two HALOS

[Kusy]

I did not call anyone an idiot, I gave two options, If you decided to buy a game just because of it's advertising, being fully aware that it's a second part of a trilogy you a) are easily influenced by commercials and marketing... read "not too dense" (well, actualy I did call all those people idiots...), or - you considered that your money won't have a better place to be spent - read "have too much of it".

I never stated that people who indeed shown interest in the series and known something about the previous story are idiots, I said it quite plain - you don't buy the second part not knowing anything about the first, otherwise my opinion about you is pretty much set in stone, I'm that open minded.

And one more thing, please remember we are talking about a game that is suposed to be storydriven... aka it's main feature is the story.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[AwesomePepper67]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ME3 is a good entry point if you like prequels. Just play thru and call the other games episode one and two.

The things is that both the gameplay, and the graphics has gotten a lot better between the games. 

It's the way the themes of the game are projected onto the gamer. ME3 can be seen as a game with many harsh decisions, visceral combat, and crazy cinematics, and that's what Bioware is going to sell to newcomers. While the first game projects mainly: "Discovery & Exploration." The third is going to be a horrible game for newcomers,. When they play the first they will see that the graphics are dated, the cinematics are dule, and the gameplay is sloppy.

I'm not saying the first sucks, in fact it's my favorite of the series. But it's only my favorite because of the story. This is what it comes down to. Both casual & hardcore gamers are going to be dissapointed. Only players who want story will be impressed. They need to play the first game, so then they wont have the second game to compare to.

For instance, I have two friends IRL that have played ME2 before the first. One's casual, the other hardcore. The casual friend played the second game, downloaded the DLC, and claimed he was an absolute fan. I let him borrow the first game, he returned the game within a week (again, he's casual and only plays for an hour a day) stating he beat the game. Altogether he had around ten hours in, didn't do any of the optional side quests, didn't recruit Garrus or Liara, didn't talk to anybody while aboard the normandy (no romance either), never upgraded anything, hardly bought armor, only unlocked main story achievments (on casual), and was only around level thirty.

The hardcore gamer never beat the game (he couldn't get himself to do it).

Yep. Going forward is much better than going back.

[crimzontearz]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I did not call anyone an idiot, I gave two options, If you decided to buy a game just because of it's advertising, being fully aware that it's a second part of a trilogy you a) are easily influenced by commercials and marketing... read "not too dense", or - you considered that your money won't have a better place to be spent - read "have too much of it".

I never stated that people who indeed shown interest in the series and known something about the previous story are idiots, I said it quite plain - you don't buy the second part not knowing anything about the first, otherwise my opinion about you is pretty much set in stone, I'm that open minded.

And one more thing, please remember we are talking about a game that is suposed to be storydriven... aka it's main feature is the story.

you did.....right here

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I edited my post, but anyhow... you won't prove them wrong, and you won't prove what I wrote wrong... because I'm stil ready to say that people who bought Mass Effect 2 never even touching Mass Effect 1 were idiots and/or had too much money on their hands.

there is no qualifying statement in your stance

It's a simple syllogism,
-in your mind all people who played ME2 without playing ME1 are idiots or have too much money
-ALL PS3 exclusive games played ME2 without playing ME1
-thus ALL ps3 exlusive gamers who played ME2 are either idiots or havce too much money

of course in order to be a true syllogism (or however you spell it in english) the first statement has to be inequivocably true....and I am sorry but it is nott

Following your own (flawed) mentality I am an idiot because I am not a PC gamer thus I could only play Crysis 2 without playing crysis 1 first (regardless of whatever measures I took to get up to speed)

you need to add some qualifyers

[Mr.House]

It's PR people, Bioware said the same thing with ME2. Will ME3 ****** on continuity, that remains to be seen.

[ThePwener]

Mr.House wrote...

It's PR people, Bioware said the same thing with ME2. Will ME3 ****** on continuity, that remains to be seen.

I'll take a leap of trust and say YEZ! 1000+ variables my ass.

Modifié par ThePwener, 02 septembre 2011 - 01:43 .