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[Someone With Mass]

littlezack wrote...

One could say that Phantom Menace is the best place to start, since it's the first film, chronologically speaking. And I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone start there.

There's no such thing as The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith. Not for me, anyway.

I enjoyed the originals just fine before George decided to turn Anakin into The One.

[littlezack]

I thought Revenge of the Sith was quite good, honestly.

[KotorEffect3]

littlezack wrote...

I thought Revenge of the Sith was quite good, honestly.

ROTS is my favorite Star Wars movie followed by ESB

[didymos1120]

Cornughon wrote...

The PC-port of Mass Effect 1 (which was released in april 2008 or may or around that time) is published by EA, so Microsoft probably doesn't own all of the rights to ME1 (anymore). Shouldn't it be true that in theory a PS3-version of ME1 could also still be released? 

Console publishing rights =/= PC publishing rights.

[Bail_Darilar]

My bets is things will inevitably occur in the ME3 storyline which will allow for continuation into the next game.

[shep82]

ThePwener wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ME3 is a good entry point if you like prequels. Just play thru and call the other games episode one and two.

That didn't go so great last time I checked.

To you maybe. I loved the prequles.

[eternalnightmare13]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Because a marketing guy saying, "DON'T BUY THIS GAME IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE OTHER TWO," is going to be fired.

After he finds all the copies of ME2 and 3 and erases the 2 and 3 from them.

[eternalnightmare13]

Someone With Mass wrote...

littlezack wrote...

One could say that Phantom Menace is the best place to start, since it's the first film, chronologically speaking. And I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone start there.

There's no such thing as The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith. Not for me, anyway.

I enjoyed the originals just fine before George decided to turn Anakin into The One.

Agreed, I don't need to have Lucas rape my childhood memories.

[LPPrince]

A lot of things introduced in the finale may be used to start up a new trilogy or set of spin offs in the ME Universe, in which case its a great place to start.

[Shockwave81]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...
...I let him borrow the first game, he returned the game within a week (again, he's casual and only plays for an hour a day) stating he beat the game. Altogether he had around ten hours in, didn't do any of the optional side quests, didn't recruit Garrus or Liara...

So either your friend is a liar and didn't finish the game at all, or you are fabricating parts of your story, because recruiting Liara is not optional if you want to finish the game. 

On topic though, I lean towards the theory that BW/EA are simply referring to the improvements in gameplay and overall presentation.  

If people go out and buy ME1 and ME2 after finishing ME3, then that's great for Microsoft, BW, and EA as well.  

I wouldn't worry about this too much until we've all played the game and can form our own informed opinions on how good/bad ME3 is. 

[Mastone]

I truly hope that they just finish up this whole story and not use ME3's ending as a cliffhanger for any future episodes ( I personally am done after this one).
If Bioware is smart they will sell a trilogy pack as well ( for people who haven't played the first 2 games) or when people start the game without previous save games( ME3 being their first play), they get to see an intro which explains some of the basic back story.
I can't imagine anyone playing ME3 without having played any of the previous installments, it's like reading the ending of thebook and complain you don't get it
I personally don't think any choice I have made in the previous games has any major effect on outcome, as said before probably some cameo's or emails and any inconsistency will be smoothed out by applying indoctrination to supposed possible allies ( Cerberus anyone? LOL).
And to be honest if my previous decisions only end up to be small changes and cameo's and what not , I personally wouldn't mind as long as the story is very good and solid I could live with it.

[Xeranx]

LPPrince wrote...

A lot of things introduced in the finale may be used to start up a new trilogy or set of spin offs in the ME Universe, in which case its a great place to start.

Maybe I'll watch a few minutes of a "Let's Play" for future installments.  As of now, I'm thinking ME3 will be the last Mass Effect game I'll get.  Would have been interested in a KOTOR3, but what I'm seeing in TOR doesn't interest me.  Dragon Age: Origins, though long, I loved.  The only negative thing about the game for me is the character creator.  I find myself severely limited in what I want to do especially with elves.  Dragon Age 2, I've been in the middle of a third playthrough for months now and I have no interest in getting the new dlc.  I have considerably more playthroughs in DA:O than I do in DA2 despite me still appreciating what's there.  

So I'm looking at the next Dragon Age game.  If it's another rushed something then I'll be done with Bioware.  I'm not attached to them like many are (that's not an insult by the way) so I'll move on and find something else.  If nothing entertains me then there's always books.  I won't pay for poor quality again.  I work too hard for it.

[PXXL]

Wauw! some people actually played ME2 first?

The Shepard trial will be the entry point for us all. Everything you have done will be pointed out for you. "blabla rachni blabla council blabla collector base.. GUILTY *hammer slam* "

Then the story starts, check codex for what you dont know (IDIOT - i agree with clint there), cameo here and there, end of story.

[Rorschachinstein]

Xeranx wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

A lot of things introduced in the finale may be used to start up a new trilogy or set of spin offs in the ME Universe, in which case its a great place to start.

Maybe I'll watch a few minutes of a "Let's Play" for future installments.  As of now, I'm thinking ME3 will be the last Mass Effect game I'll get.  Would have been interested in a KOTOR3, but what I'm seeing in TOR doesn't interest me.  Dragon Age: Origins, though long, I loved.  The only negative thing about the game for me is the character creator.  I find myself severely limited in what I want to do especially with elves.  Dragon Age 2, I've been in the middle of a third playthrough for months now and I have no interest in getting the new dlc.  I have considerably more playthroughs in DA:O than I do in DA2 despite me still appreciating what's there.  

So I'm looking at the next Dragon Age game.  If it's another rushed something then I'll be done with Bioware.  I'm not attached to them like many are (that's not an insult by the way) so I'll move on and find something else.  If nothing entertains me then there's always books.  I won't pay for poor quality again.  I work too hard for it.

Somone who isn't crazy, nice to know they exist.

[Xeranx]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

A lot of things introduced in the finale may be used to start up a new trilogy or set of spin offs in the ME Universe, in which case its a great place to start.

Maybe I'll watch a few minutes of a "Let's Play" for future installments.  As of now, I'm thinking ME3 will be the last Mass Effect game I'll get.  Would have been interested in a KOTOR3, but what I'm seeing in TOR doesn't interest me.  Dragon Age: Origins, though long, I loved.  The only negative thing about the game for me is the character creator.  I find myself severely limited in what I want to do especially with elves.  Dragon Age 2, I've been in the middle of a third playthrough for months now and I have no interest in getting the new dlc.  I have considerably more playthroughs in DA:O than I do in DA2 despite me still appreciating what's there.  

So I'm looking at the next Dragon Age game.  If it's another rushed something then I'll be done with Bioware.  I'm not attached to them like many are (that's not an insult by the way) so I'll move on and find something else.  If nothing entertains me then there's always books.  I won't pay for poor quality again.  I work too hard for it.

Somone who isn't crazy, nice to know they exist.

Who are you and what have you done with my pillow? 

[Bluko]

Biotic Sage wrote...

@Bluko and @Gatt9

As someone who loves both games, I have to disagree with your assessment that they "gutted" Mass Effect to make ME2. At its core, it still has the heart of ME1; the dialogue wheel, the weapon/power combat, choices, customization, a heroic story, and interesting characters.

They did gut it though. The heart is still there and it is still Mass Effect you're right, but the amount of surgery ME2 received makes it almost a different person at least in temperment.

They removed all the core combat gameplay down to it's very bones so that in effect they started from scratch. This is actually why I believe ME2 lacks more weapons, customization, etc. They were so busy trying to remake the game's core combat gameplay they didn't have time to expand upon it. This is probably why I begrudge ME2 more then anything else, because really it won't be until ME3 that we see the full ultilization of ME2.

Most of the animations (at least combat) were new in ME2. They removed the environment physics, etc. Some of this is understandable as they were a bit too ambitious with ME1 and it really strained the Xbox 360 to run it at a smooth framerate. They did carry over some assest from ME1 namely character models, some environment stuff, some conversation animations, but ME2 is in many respects a new game.

As I said I would have much seen ME2 fix not replace ME1's combat gameplay. I think ME1 had a lot of potential, but too many people get hung up on the problems with it to consider that it could have been better. I know a number of people who thought the original Assassin's Creed sucked. However did Ubisoft take this as a reason to totally redo the gameplay in the sequel? No, they improved upon the original gameplay and made it a much better game by just about everyone's standard, at least in the department of gameplay. Same goes for Starcraft II. It's a sequel and there's lots of new stuff, but it still plays like the original.

ME2 barely plays anything like it's predecessor. You have a power wheel and weapon wheel, but the weapons and powers function in a completely different matter.

For the record I do not hate ME2. It's still a good game despite whatever issues I may have with it. But it does not change the fact that it is not what I expected nor wanted as a sequel to ME1. So yeah that leaves me a bit disappointed. And it annoys me when people claim ME2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry, but I just can't go with that. 

I liked ME1 because it was different. You know at first I didn't think much of ME1 as my initial reaction to it was that it tried to hold the hands of RPG folks too much by having infinite ammo and skill trees effecting weapon accuracy. But I gave it a chance and once I took the effort to understand how it all worked I actually ended up enjoying a lot more then I thought. I think the problem is Bioware probably listened to too many of the impatient kids who couldn't be arsed to play the game thru or expected a tutorial to teach them every single minute detail. Although I believe this is still a problem with ME2 as 50% of playthroughs are never finished.

ME2 just borrows too much from Gears of War for me to really respect it anymore. Obviously ME2 does not play exactly like Gears, but it's certainly similar enough to be comparable. I mean the Mercenaries games are obviously different from GTA series, but they are certainly comparable as they share many features. Look I'll take ME2 over Gears anyday, but it's not because I find ME2's combat more exciting I'll tell you that much.

Biotic Sage wrote...

Just wait for ME3 to see how much your choices pay off; they had to make the middle chapter more linear for pragmatic reasons.  If it ends up sucking still in the payoff department, then you are welcome to condemn it.

True enough, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The arguement ME2 couldn't have had any significant story branches is pretty weak. They could have at least bothered to make some different missions depending on your actions in ME1. They didn't though. Everyone played through the same missions. Sure there were a few minor things like different dialogue lines and cameos, but you still do the same stuff.

I'm not expecting ME3 to offer players different missions based on past decisions. Everyone is going to be able to partake the same content. Sure Mordin may dead for some when they get to Sur'kesh, but even so I'd say you're probably still going to end up trying to save the Krogan Princess. If Renegades or Paragons actually get different content I'd be pleasently surprised. But I ain't holding my breath as if Bioware did have such things they would surely be bragging about it by now.

[Computer_God91]

ThePwener wrote...

Muzyka elaborated to PC Gamer:

"We have ambitious plans to continue this franchise going forward. Mass Effect 3 is simultaneously a couple of different things: a thrilling and epic conclusion to the trilogy as we promised our fans we'd provide for Commander Shepard, but it's also a brand new beginning - it's an entry point for new fans."

Im trying to understand the thinking behind this but I always end up with the same thing; BW has sold out.

Not trying to cause a "bw/ea es evul!" thread here, just pointing out the obvious (totally different). They tried making ME2 into an "entry point" for the series, and it turned out so wrong and confusing that they had to make a comic for the PS3 ver. after the Xbox newcomers started cramping it here asking who Kaidan/Ashley were and why they should care about them. Bottom line is, the comic wasn't that great either.

Here's hoping ME3 doesn't try to do the same and carter to new people isntead of the old fans who are the ones they should be pleasing. ME3 should in no way be "an entry point" to the ME storyline, even if it's just for the action. GoW3 is a trilogy (I think) and I haven't heard anyone saying how it is a great tome to get acquainted to the series. It's the end, finito, le finale.

How can you get introduced to something that is also marketed as the protagonist's definite ending? It makes no damn sense unless they are trying to get people to buy ME1/2 and that just shows that care only for sales *cough* EA *cough*.

Want to get acquainted with the series? Get the first two games, otherwise don't even bother. Trying to make ME3 into an entry point makes no sense. 

Want more? Damn James Vega is designed to be the greenhorn of the team who we have to explain everything to. This is one of those situations where you design a character depending on past choices. You jumped into the game without importing? You get Greenhorn Vega and his naive ways. You Imported from ME2? You get seasoned Vega who knows a thing or two about the galaxy. You imported from ME1? You get veteran Vega, who has been all over the galaxy and knows as much of politics and alien culture as much as much as Shepard.

Thoughts? No trolling/hating, please, Im being 100% serious with this, be mature, I know some people here who feel as strongly as I do, so don't backstab me now for the sake of lulz.

didn't read any of that but based on the title I'll tell you that it's the perfect entry because Bioware/EA want everyones money and don't care who they need to ****** on to get it. Prepare for another dumbed down disappointment to what was once a promising series. Yes, I do mean ME2 is also a dumbed down disappointment.

[KotorEffect3]

Computer_God91 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Muzyka elaborated to PC Gamer:

"We have ambitious plans to continue this franchise going forward. Mass Effect 3 is simultaneously a couple of different things: a thrilling and epic conclusion to the trilogy as we promised our fans we'd provide for Commander Shepard, but it's also a brand new beginning - it's an entry point for new fans."

Im trying to understand the thinking behind this but I always end up with the same thing; BW has sold out.

Not trying to cause a "bw/ea es evul!" thread here, just pointing out the obvious (totally different). They tried making ME2 into an "entry point" for the series, and it turned out so wrong and confusing that they had to make a comic for the PS3 ver. after the Xbox newcomers started cramping it here asking who Kaidan/Ashley were and why they should care about them. Bottom line is, the comic wasn't that great either.

Here's hoping ME3 doesn't try to do the same and carter to new people isntead of the old fans who are the ones they should be pleasing. ME3 should in no way be "an entry point" to the ME storyline, even if it's just for the action. GoW3 is a trilogy (I think) and I haven't heard anyone saying how it is a great tome to get acquainted to the series. It's the end, finito, le finale.

How can you get introduced to something that is also marketed as the protagonist's definite ending? It makes no damn sense unless they are trying to get people to buy ME1/2 and that just shows that care only for sales *cough* EA *cough*.

Want to get acquainted with the series? Get the first two games, otherwise don't even bother. Trying to make ME3 into an entry point makes no sense. 

Want more? Damn James Vega is designed to be the greenhorn of the team who we have to explain everything to. This is one of those situations where you design a character depending on past choices. You jumped into the game without importing? You get Greenhorn Vega and his naive ways. You Imported from ME2? You get seasoned Vega who knows a thing or two about the galaxy. You imported from ME1? You get veteran Vega, who has been all over the galaxy and knows as much of politics and alien culture as much as much as Shepard.

Thoughts? No trolling/hating, please, Im being 100% serious with this, be mature, I know some people here who feel as strongly as I do, so don't backstab me now for the sake of lulz.

didn't read any of that but based on the title I'll tell you that it's the perfect entry because Bioware/EA want everyones money and don't care who they need to ****** on to get it. Prepare for another dumbed down disappointment to what was once a promising series. Yes, I do mean ME2 is also a dumbed down disappointment.

WAAAAHHHH bioware didn't cater to my every whim and even though ME 2 was critically acclaimed and received well by both critics and fans I am going to pout because they didn't cater to ME.  It is all about me me me!  And anyone that is a fan of ME 2 is an idiot for not thinking like me WAAAHHHH!

Seriously people just because bioware is trying to bring in new fans (and they would be dumb not to) doesn't mean they are pissing on old fans.  They have been quite accomadating when it comes to listening to feedback. So quit yer whining and incessant childish complaining.

[Computer_God91]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

WAAAAHHHH bioware didn't cater to my every whim and even though ME 2 was critically acclaimed and received well by both critics and fans I am going to pout because they didn't cater to ME.  It is all about me me me!  And anyone that is a fan of ME 2 is an idiot for not thinking like me WAAAHHHH!

Seriously people just because bioware is trying to bring in new fans (and they would be dumb not to) doesn't mean they are pissing on old fans.  They have been quite accomadating when it comes to listening to feedback. So quit yer whining and incessant childish complaining.

Maybe that's how everyone else reacts but I don't think I come off like a 3 year old. Yes, I will do everything in my power to make it clear I don't like ME2 any where near as much as 1 for reasons I repeatedly state. Why do this? Well because it would seem that a ton of people ignore ME2's flaws and let downs. A different set of flaws and let downs then the first game, however more important ones. I do what I can to make it clear that ME2 really isn't as great a game as ME1 because of quite a few reasons and seems to have forgotten that the first game even exists. Hell the Devs do everything they can on a regular basis to make sure ME1 is not mentioned and if a feature is even close to similar to ME1 they instantly say "NOT LIKE THAT GAME GUYZ."

[Il Divo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

I thought Revenge of the Sith was quite good, honestly.

ROTS is my favorite Star Wars movie followed by ESB

Agreed.

[Il Divo]

Computer_God91 wrote...

didn't read any of that but based on the title I'll tell you that it's the perfect entry because Bioware/EA want everyones money and don't care who they need to ****** on to get it. Prepare for another dumbed down disappointment to what was once a promising series. Yes, I do mean ME2 is also a dumbed down disappointment.

Ah yes, the "dumbed down" argument. Very typical when posters are unable to let their actual arguments speak for themselves.

Modifié par Il Divo, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[psiasterisk]

Wow, an actual discussion about a marketing related sound-byte.

I don´t think the fact that Bioware said what they said will have any influence on the game we´re going to get. Bioware is a business, after all. They won´t be shooting their own leg by making a game that requires ME1 and ME2 to be played to be enjoyable, which would scare off newcomers. Incidentally, I played ME1 after ME2 was released but before I played ME2, so I´d know the complete narrative, but never mind. The game will be designed to appeal to as large an audience as possible. Longtime fans will simply have to hope that they´re part of that target demographic.

As far as the wording of that statement goes, I think they simply overcompensated for being afraid of alienating newcomers and made longtimers feel alienated instead. Maybe they should have said something along the lines of "Fans will love ME3 for being a great sequel, but it will be a great game in its own right."

In short: I really wouldn´t read too much into this.

[Computer_God91]

Il Divo wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

didn't read any of that but based on the title I'll tell you that it's the perfect entry because Bioware/EA want everyones money and don't care who they need to ****** on to get it. Prepare for another dumbed down disappointment to what was once a promising series. Yes, I do mean ME2 is also a dumbed down disappointment.

Ah yes, the "dumbed down" argument. Very typical when posters are unable to let their actual arguments speak for themselves.

Once you say your arguement 500 times and everyone has the same bullsh!t replies you tend to save your time. I like how everyone on this site has this air of if you disagree you're an idiot who doesn't know what they are talking about.

You don't like ME2? You're an idiot. State your arguement. Oh that's your arguement? You're just a whiner.
You don't want same sex romances? You're a homophobe and close minded.

Seriously people, not everyone has the same point of view and likes the same things.