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[Someone With Mass]

Computer_God91 wrote...

didn't read any of that but based on the title I'll tell you that it's the perfect entry because Bioware/EA want everyones money and don't care who they need to ****** on to get it. Prepare for another dumbed down disappointment to what was once a promising series. Yes, I do mean ME2 is also a dumbed down disappointment.

Aw, evil EA wants your money. Guess what. So does everyone else.

Bioware is investing millions in these games, and if they're not getting a profit, they will be forced to shut down.

Also, whenever I see that lame "dumbed down" argument, I laugh at it, because the only thing ME1 did on the intellectual level was to challenge your knowledge in basic math.

There was absolutely nothing complex about it.

ME2 simply got rid of the things that did nothing but dragging the gameplay down.

I don't need that useless inventory to feel like I'm playing an RPG.

[Il Divo]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Once you say your arguement 500 times and everyone has the same bullsh!t replies you tend to save your time. I like how everyone on this site has this air of if you disagree you're an idiot who doesn't know what they are talking about.

You don't like ME2? You're an idiot. State your arguement. Oh that's your arguement? You're just a whiner.
You don't want same sex romances? You're a homophobe and close minded.

Seriously people, not everyone has the same point of view and likes the same things.

That's great, except I don't care. Hate Mass Effect 2. That's your right as a human-being, but these attempts at bringing intelligence into the equation are weak. What about Mass Effect was so damn complicated that your average gamer wouldn't understand?

Modifié par Il Divo, 05 septembre 2011 - 01:03 .

[crimzontearz]

for the 1000 000th time. Bioware needs to stop catering to the lazy and the stupid...and people should try to elevate themselves from the drooling masses and actually grow up a little if they want "better games" in the future. It's not just Bioware/EA's fault if Bioware is making each of the ME games an entry platform like this.

[111987]

crimzontearz wrote...

for the 1000 000th time. Bioware needs to stop catering to the lazy and the stupid...and people should try to elevate themselves from the drooling masses and actually grow up a little if they want "better games" in the future. It's not just Bioware/EA's fault if Bioware is making each of the ME games an entry platform like this.

Are you serious? So if someone didn't buy Mass Effect 1 or 2, they are 'lazy and stupid' because they want to play Mass Effect 3?

[LPPrince]

I think better wording would be, "ME3 is a great entry point for new fans" rather than "ME3 is the best entry point for new fans".

[Chewin]

LPPrince wrote...

I think better wording would be, "ME3 is a great entry point for new fans" rather than "ME3 is the best entry point for new fans".

Yes, but then people would go buy ME1/2 instead of ME3.

[LPPrince]

Chewin3 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I think better wording would be, "ME3 is a great entry point for new fans" rather than "ME3 is the best entry point for new fans".

Yes, but then people would go buy ME1/2 instead of ME3.

And possibly then go out and buy ME3.

PROFIT.

[Chewin]

LPPrince wrote...
And possibly then go out and buy ME3.

PROFIT.

In the long run yes, but companies tend to like having their recent product selling more when released.

[crimzontearz]

111987 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
for the 1000 000th time. Bioware needs to stop catering to the lazy and the stupid...and people should try to elevate themselves from the drooling masses and actually grow up a little if they want "better games" in the future. It's not just Bioware/EA's fault if Bioware is making each of the ME games an entry platform like this.

Are you serious? So if someone didn't buy Mass Effect 1 or 2, they are 'lazy and stupid' because they want to play Mass Effect 3?

No but those who expect to come in at the third chapter of a trilogy and have the same experience of those who played through the previous two games are.

I could never play crysis 1 because I am a console player. I wanted crysis 2...but I did not go to crytek and moan and complain that the game was too self referential or that I may not be able to understand it nor I expected them to slow things down or dumb them down for me. No, instead I read up on the game and even watched a whole crysis 1 playthrough on youtube to bring myself up to speed before playing crysis 2.

If Devs keep catering to the people who just want to pick up the third game of series and go "weeee nice splosions" without even a modicum of research on the subject while wanting to get the same experience as someone who played all three then the potential of games like ME will never be fully realized.

[LPPrince]

Chewin3 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
And possibly then go out and buy ME3.

PROFIT.

In the long run yes, but companies tend to like having their recent product selling more when released.

True. But with the time left till ME3's release, you'd think there'd be plenty of time to play the first two games and still preorder the finale.

[111987]

crimzontearz wrote...

111987 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
for the 1000 000th time. Bioware needs to stop catering to the lazy and the stupid...and people should try to elevate themselves from the drooling masses and actually grow up a little if they want "better games" in the future. It's not just Bioware/EA's fault if Bioware is making each of the ME games an entry platform like this.

Are you serious? So if someone didn't buy Mass Effect 1 or 2, they are 'lazy and stupid' because they want to play Mass Effect 3?

No but those who expect to come in at the third chapter of a trilogy and have the same experience of those who played through the previous two games are.

I could never play crysis 1 because I am a console player. I wanted crysis 2...but I did not go to crytek and moan and complain that the game was too self referential or that I may not be able to understand it nor I expected them to slow things down or dumb them down for me. No, instead I read up on the game and even watched a whole crysis 1 playthrough on youtube to bring myself up to speed before playing crysis 2.

If Devs keep catering to the people who just want to pick up the third game of series and go "weeee nice splosions" without even a modicum of research on the subject while wanting to get the same experience as someone who played all three then the potential of games like ME will never be fully realized.

Maybe they're not expecting to have the same exact experience? Maybe they just want to play a game that looks REALLY fun?

Guess what, most people don't have time to watch entire playthroughs of games on YouTube or do hours of research to commit things to memory. People have these things called jobs, and families, and friends. It's really arrogant for you to condemn and judge these people.

[VolusvsReaper]

If I had a dollar for every person who couldn't use common sense to figure out why they said this and decided to make a forum post to see if anyone else smarter than them could decipher this easily explainable statement....I wouldn't need to go into work for a long time.

[crimzontearz]

I work 40 hours a week and have a wife and stepchildren. Sure, not everyone can spare the time to watch a whole playthrough but there are also forums and wikis. The material is there, people need to stop being lazy and make an effort otherwise Series like ME will never deliver on the original promises

[111987]

crimzontearz wrote...

I work 40 hours a week and have a wife and stepchildren. Sure, not everyone can spare the time to watch a whole playthrough but there are also forums and wikis. The material is there, people need to stop being lazy and make an effort otherwise Series like ME will never deliver on the original promises

Once again, not everyone has time time or inclination to view all the necesarry material to fully understand the game. Maybe they'd rather spend most of their time doing something else? Does that make them lazy and stupid? Apparently it does to you...and that's just sad.

Whatever though, believe what you want about how people are stupid for not dedicating their lives to gaming and how much smarter you are than those people...

[DPSSOC]

111987 wrote...
Once again, not everyone has time time or inclination to view all the necesarry material to fully understand the game. Maybe they'd rather spend most of their time doing something else? Does that make them lazy and stupid?

You're not wrong but if they don't have the time or inclination then they need to accept there are going to be certain things they aren't going to get.  If I pick up a book and only read the last chapter because I don't have the time for the whole thing do I really have any grounds to complain that I don't know what's going on?

[crimzontearz]

111987 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I work 40 hours a week and have a wife and stepchildren. Sure, not everyone can spare the time to watch a whole playthrough but there are also forums and wikis. The material is there, people need to stop being lazy and make an effort otherwise Series like ME will never deliver on the original promises

Once again, not everyone has time time or inclination to view all the necesarry material to fully understand the game. Maybe they'd rather spend most of their time doing something else? Does that make them lazy and stupid? Apparently it does to you...and that's just sad.

Whatever though, believe what you want about how people are stupid for not dedicating their lives to gaming and how much smarter you are than those people...

LMAO

really? attitudes like this are the reason why games like ME could be so much more but are not. Mass Effect is a heavily story based RPG/Shooter trilogy with branching choices. It is a tad different from your run of the mill GoW.

Face it, people who don't do their research to understand better something they LIKE even tho the material is only a few clicks away are, indeed, lazy. People who do expect to pick up a third chapter in a story heavy trilogy with no previous knowlege of it and find it "the best entry point" are indeed stupid

if you want to just pick up something and play because the gameplay looksfun go play CoD or Halo and not a more involved game for God's sake

[111987]

DPSSOC wrote...

111987 wrote...
Once again, not everyone has time time or inclination to view all the necesarry material to fully understand the game. Maybe they'd rather spend most of their time doing something else? Does that make them lazy and stupid?

You're not wrong but if they don't have the time or inclination then they need to accept there are going to be certain things they aren't going to get.  If I pick up a book and only read the last chapter because I don't have the time for the whole thing do I really have any grounds to complain that I don't know what's going on?

That's the thing though; I haven't heard anyone who hasn't played the first two games complain that Mass Effect 3 needs to explain everything in excruciating detail. New players will either a). play through Mass Effect 3 and just enjoy the baseline experience, and then move on to other games or . be intrigued by the series, and then do the susbequent readings and what not...

@crizontearz

You really aren't even worth replying too. Just because video games are your life doesn't mean it's everyone's life. Grow up.

Modifié par 111987, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[Someone With Mass]

I like the way they're doing it. Make it available for the beginners, but if you want to know the whole story and experience it as a whole, you have to buy the other games.

[crimzontearz]

looks at your join date

yup that explains a lot 11987.

Game are not my life, they are my hobby of choice. Thanks to people like you a game Serie that was supposed to be heavily influenced by choices has not lived up to its potential. Seriously...go play halo....awesome game, little to no research required.

Also, it is not a matter of explaning (even tho there were tons ofthreads way back then about "who is ashley and why shoild I care" or similar) it's a matter of dealing with the very core of the serie being diminished to make it less daunting to the newcomers

in the immortal words of Silverman "who cares about this or this other character, who cares about the relationships? this is war....".....no thanks.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think anyone should take the words of the marketing director seriously.

[SalsaDMA]

crimzontearz wrote...

111987 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
for the 1000 000th time. Bioware needs to stop catering to the lazy and the stupid...and people should try to elevate themselves from the drooling masses and actually grow up a little if they want "better games" in the future. It's not just Bioware/EA's fault if Bioware is making each of the ME games an entry platform like this.

Are you serious? So if someone didn't buy Mass Effect 1 or 2, they are 'lazy and stupid' because they want to play Mass Effect 3?

No but those who expect to come in at the third chapter of a trilogy and have the same experience of those who played through the previous two games are.

I could never play crysis 1 because I am a console player. I wanted crysis 2...but I did not go to crytek and moan and complain that the game was too self referential or that I may not be able to understand it nor I expected them to slow things down or dumb them down for me. No, instead I read up on the game and even watched a whole crysis 1 playthrough on youtube to bring myself up to speed before playing crysis 2.

If Devs keep catering to the people who just want to pick up the third game of series and go "weeee nice splosions" without even a modicum of research on the subject while wanting to get the same experience as someone who played all three then the potential of games like ME will never be fully realized.

I still remember when the first previews of crysis2 started popping up and one of the things that got mentioned there were that some of the changes they did were specifically so people that hadn't played crysis would not feel left out...

In that view, crysis/crysis2 would prob not be the best of examples to use by you

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 05 septembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[111987]

crimzontearz wrote...

looks at your join date

yup that explains a lot 11987.

Game are not my life, they are my hobby of choice. Thanks to people like you a game Serie that was supposed to be heavily influenced by choices has not lived up to its potential. Seriously...go play halo....awesome game, little to no research required.

Also, it is not a matter of explaning (even tho there were tons ofthreads way back then about "who is ashley and why shoild I care" or similar) it's a matter of dealing with the very core of the serie being diminished to make it less daunting to the newcomers

in the immortal words of Silverman "who cares about this or this other character, who cares about the relationships? this is war....".....no thanks.

My join date says what, exactly?

Halo has arguably an even more extensive backstory and story than Mass Effect, especially when you look at its expanded universe. So if I can just play Halo for its game play, why not Mass Effect 3?

And since you haven't seen how choices make an impact in ME3, you're judging way too early on whether or not Mass Effect has lived up to its potential. If you're so disappointed with Mass Effect, why even get ME3? Just go read about it, or watch a play though on Youtube

[crimzontearz]

well it's the example I used because I materially could not play the original so I had no choice Salsa....

[DPSSOC]

111987 wrote...
That's the thing though; I haven't heard anyone who hasn't played the first two games complain that Mass Effect 3 needs to explain everything in excruciating detail. New players will either a). play through Mass Effect 3 and just enjoy the baseline experience, and then move on to other games or . be intrigued by the series, and then do the susbequent readings and what not...

Fair enough though it brings up the question of how much do they want?  For example I thought the "The Story So Far" video was more than enough, but somebody decided new players needed a 15 minute comic.

A quick video at the start of the game if you don't use an import probably wouldn't bother people, but the concern is that to avoid shocking the new audience the game will waste a lot of time on explaining what's going on (even in slight detail there's a lot to cover) or be like ME2 where imports result in nothing but a handful of cameos and some emails.