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[Heimdall]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
I think you may have the political intrigue on the part of Orlais down pat, but I'm not so certain about Leliana's role at that juncture. When she was in Lothering, I think she was being groomed for the role - not yet told about the Seekers' interest, not yet indoctrinated, but closely watched. After all, Dorothea knew what she was capable of, but the bard was probably still fairly young (maybe there's an minimum age to get into the Seekers...who knows) and I'm sure all of the interested parties wanted to see how this whole Blight thing turned out.

Post-fall of the archdemon, it was probably just a matter of a fancy scripted letter with a jaunty wax seal, and once in Orlais, some chit-chat behind closed doors and the like. Maybe tea and cakes, if she was lucky (but that's probably how they do it in Orlais, so...).

  I like this theory best.

[UltiPup]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
I think you may have the political intrigue on the part of Orlais down pat, but I'm not so certain about Leliana's role at that juncture. When she was in Lothering, I think she was being groomed for the role - not yet told about the Seekers' interest, not yet indoctrinated, but closely watched. After all, Dorothea knew what she was capable of, but the bard was probably still fairly young (maybe there's an minimum age to get into the Seekers...who knows) and I'm sure all of the interested parties wanted to see how this whole Blight thing turned out.

Post-fall of the archdemon, it was probably just a matter of a fancy scripted letter with a jaunty wax seal, and once in Orlais, some chit-chat behind closed doors and the like. Maybe tea and cakes, if she was lucky (but that's probably how they do it in Orlais, so...).

I suppose that could be an explanation for Leliana being with the Seekers before we met her. But the entire "I have a dream!" thing still puts me off that idea. Plus, wouldn't the Seekers come up in the Fade in her Nightmare? Plus the whole Marjolaine thing. Wouldn't she know she was apart of the Seekers and realize "oh shi I can't mess with her"?

[whykikyouwhy]

UltiPup wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...
I think you may have the political intrigue on the part of Orlais down pat, but I'm not so certain about Leliana's role at that juncture. When she was in Lothering, I think she was being groomed for the role - not yet told about the Seekers' interest, not yet indoctrinated, but closely watched. After all, Dorothea knew what she was capable of, but the bard was probably still fairly young (maybe there's an minimum age to get into the Seekers...who knows) and I'm sure all of the interested parties wanted to see how this whole Blight thing turned out.

Post-fall of the archdemon, it was probably just a matter of a fancy scripted letter with a jaunty wax seal, and once in Orlais, some chit-chat behind closed doors and the like. Maybe tea and cakes, if she was lucky (but that's probably how they do it in Orlais, so...).

I suppose that could be an explanation for Leliana being with the Seekers before we met her. But the entire "I have a dream!" thing still puts me off that idea. Plus, wouldn't the Seekers come up in the Fade in her Nightmare? Plus the whole Marjolaine thing. Wouldn't she know she was apart of the Seekers and realize "oh shi I can't mess with her"?

I don't personally think she was with the Seekers prior to meeting the Warden though, at least not that she was aware of. Being groomed doesn't mean that she had the brochure outlining the benefits package and 401k plan. She was under Dorothea's tutelage, but from Leliana's perspective, this could have just been spiritual guidance and nothing hinting at that separate order. Thus, the Fade issue isn't an issue, and Marjolaine isn't overly concerned about double-crossing her.

As for her dream - I don't recall any other characters talking about their visions, so it does seem unique in the DA-verse. Unless you look at the Andraste parallel. It's really a question of 1. did it happen, and 2. was it really the Maker. The first remains to be confirmed or denied, whereas the second is irrelevant, at least to Leliana, because she believes it was the Maker (or so she has claimed).

Of course, if the "Maker" is just a nice singular name given to an old(er) entity... *shrug*

[Mike3207]

I'd have liked to be a fly on the wall when Leliana had the discussion with the Divine about her vision of the Maker-that really would be something to see.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 08 septembre 2011 - 02:43 .

[UltiPup]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
I don't personally think she was with the Seekers prior to meeting the Warden though, at least not that she was aware of. Being groomed doesn't mean that she had the brochure outlining the benefits package and 401k plan. She was under Dorothea's tutelage, but from Leliana's perspective, this could have just been spiritual guidance and nothing hinting at that separate order. Thus, the Fade issue isn't an issue, and Marjolaine isn't overly concerned about double-crossing her.

As for her dream - I don't recall any other characters talking about their visions, so it does seem unique in the DA-verse. Unless you look at the Andraste parallel. It's really a question of 1. did it happen, and 2. was it really the Maker. The first remains to be confirmed or denied, whereas the second is irrelevant, at least to Leliana, because she believes it was the Maker (or so she has claimed).

Of course, if the "Maker" is just a nice singular name given to an old(er) entity... *shrug*

Well, further prodding, Leliana admits to it just being a dream, probably not a vision from the Maker. Even then, she still believed it had importance. It is the reason she decides she wanted to play a part in stopping the Blight. Otherwise, she had no reason to join the Warden right then.

[whykikyouwhy]

Mike Smith wrote...

I'd have liked to be a fly on the wall when Leliana had the discussion with the Divine about her vision of the Maker-that really would be something to see.

I think it went something like this -

Divine: So why do you feel you were called, my dear?
Leliana: I had a vision from the Maker. He told me to stop the Blight.
Divine: *blinking slowly* I see. A vision.
Leliana: *eyes turning into big fat stars* Oh yes! He had a lovely deep voice, it was so soothing. And he told me that griffons and unicorns would one day return to Thedas!
Divine: *makes a few notes in her ledger* Uh huh. So...moving on...you were an assassin?

UltiPup wrote...

Well, further prodding, Leliana admits to it just being a dream, probably not a vision from the Maker. Even then, she still believed it had importance. It is the reason she decides she wanted to play a part in stopping the Blight. Otherwise, she had no reason to join the Warden right then.

True. Of course, she may have been just eager to leave that one-horse town that is Lothering. Or, she grew up on stories about the Wardens and apostates and the like, and knew an opportunity when she saw it. Or, it was just gut instinct...one of those strong reactions that compels you to do something contrary to what everyone else wants you to do (and you wind up escaping death...or the razing of your town by darkspawn).

I'm not saying that she didn't have a vision or a dream. She may have. I just don't know that it was the "Maker" exactly. I mean, the Chantry talks up a good game about how the Maker does not ever directly answer prayers or speak to man directly. And yet, here we have this young bard getting a direct call. (much like Andraste)

Odd things happen in Thedas. Nothing is ever simple or routine.

[RagingCyclone]

I'm seeing this talk about Leliana's vision, but everyone keeps forgetting why she thinks the dream might be a vision. The dead rose, twisted and gnarled, that was alive and beautiful the next morning after her dream. While with prodding she admits it was a dream, even when she first mentions she says it was a dream, the compelling thing for her was the rose. That could be the determining factor of why she is the hand of the divine. That rose makes her dream have more significance than say Johnny down the block having the same dream the year before.

[UltiPup]

I like to go with the dream theory based on her character. Leliana had no way of believing the people before her were actually Wardens. Even then, she doesn't force herself on the party. She is optional. So there was no dire need to go with the Warden, just a feeling like she had purpose with them. That is a big reason why I didn't think she was a spy from the beginning.

I think that Leliana thinks she had a dream. We all dream, strange ones sometimes. If she read into it that she was going to help stop the Blight, that was her interpretation. Could it have been the Maker? Only if you believe He exists.

[thats1evildude]

UltiPup wrote...

Well, further prodding, Leliana admits to it just being a dream, probably not a vision from the Maker. Even then, she still believed it had importance. It is the reason she decides she wanted to play a part in stopping the Blight.

Hold on. She questions whether she truly had a vision in the midst of a personal crisis, but she never dismisses it as a dream.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 08 septembre 2011 - 06:36 .

[SkittlesKat96]

She might be, she might even be a Seeker but I still think she genuinely wanted to help with the Blight though and that most of the things she said and how she acted was completely genuine.

[whykikyouwhy]

RagingCyclone wrote...

I'm seeing this talk about Leliana's vision, but everyone keeps forgetting why she thinks the dream might be a vision. The dead rose, twisted and gnarled, that was alive and beautiful the next morning after her dream. While with prodding she admits it was a dream, even when she first mentions she says it was a dream, the compelling thing for her was the rose. That could be the determining factor of why she is the hand of the divine. That rose makes her dream have more significance than say Johnny down the block having the same dream the year before.

I had forgotten about the rose, but then, I played DA:O only once so certain details may be a bit fuzzy or lost in the grand scope of it all. (Though if numerous Thedans were having dreams about darkness swallowing up the sun and such, you'd think there would be more panic...or maybe Mothman would show up and wink at someone - a "good looking out", that sort of thing.)

Looking over some videos of that dialogue bit on YouTube, it seems that she does a lot of interpretation of the dream/vision, rather than declaring it something definitively "of the Maker" - with his distinct voice (or rather, there wasn't some booming "Arthur...you must find the grail..." sort of thing from the parted clouds). Which makes me wish that her Chantry robes looked more like an amazing technicolor dreamcoat, but I digress.  

Then there is this dialogue line: "I came to Ferelden and the Chantry because I was being hunted. I walked where the Maker led me and he has rewarded me for my faith. I found you."

So then, she is on the lam, finds peace and comfort and sanctuary in the Chantry, finds peace and comfort in the teachings of the Maker, knows of the impending Blight, has a dream and wakes to find a rose growing mysteriously from the midst of death and decay itself, interprets that as proof that beauty (as wrought by the Maker) exists and must be protected, then (and here's my personal spin) sees the Warden as her opportunity to do the Maker's will...to fight to save and preserve that beauty and turn the tide against the oncoming evil threatening to overwhelm the world.

All of which (to tie into the "was she a spy" question) leads me to stand firm on my belief that she wasn't yet a Seeker when the Warden met her. She had been a spy, yes, she had the skills and talents, but at that point in her life, she was a sister dedicating her life to the Maker and seeing if there was more she could do. Given her connections and her past though, she was snatched up into the Seeker fold, as it were, post-fall of the Archdemon.

Or so I see it. I leave open the possibility for all of the above to be proven wrong when we get more of her story. And I suspect that cheese might be involved when the truth comes out.

[Relix28]

Leliana was actually part of Varric's spy network.

[Macropodmum]

The thing is that even if she was a spy, if you allowed her, then she too was on that rooftop with you risking her life  to fight the archdemon. Surely if she was acting just on behalf of the divine she would have found a convenient reason not to be risking her neck?

Modifié par Macropodmum, 08 septembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[whykikyouwhy]

@Macropodmum - True, unless potentially sacrificing herself to the cause was all in a day's work. Just a hazard of the job. But I don't think her dedication could be called into question, whatever her motive - simple desire to stop the Blight, machinations of the Divine, love for the Warden, etc. Of course, I just think she's all sorts of bad*ss, so perhaps my opinion is biased.

[RagingCyclone]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

I'm seeing this talk about Leliana's vision, but everyone keeps forgetting why she thinks the dream might be a vision. The dead rose, twisted and gnarled, that was alive and beautiful the next morning after her dream. While with prodding she admits it was a dream, even when she first mentions she says it was a dream, the compelling thing for her was the rose. That could be the determining factor of why she is the hand of the divine. That rose makes her dream have more significance than say Johnny down the block having the same dream the year before.

I had forgotten about the rose, but then, I played DA:O only once so certain details may be a bit fuzzy or lost in the grand scope of it all. (Though if numerous Thedans were having dreams about darkness swallowing up the sun and such, you'd think there would be more panic...or maybe Mothman would show up and wink at someone - a "good looking out", that sort of thing.)

Looking over some videos of that dialogue bit on YouTube, it seems that she does a lot of interpretation of the dream/vision, rather than declaring it something definitively "of the Maker" - with his distinct voice (or rather, there wasn't some booming "Arthur...you must find the grail..." sort of thing from the parted clouds). Which makes me wish that her Chantry robes looked more like an amazing technicolor dreamcoat, but I digress.  

Then there is this dialogue line: "I came to Ferelden and the Chantry because I was being hunted. I walked where the Maker led me and he has rewarded me for my faith. I found you."

So then, she is on the lam, finds peace and comfort and sanctuary in the Chantry, finds peace and comfort in the teachings of the Maker, knows of the impending Blight, has a dream and wakes to find a rose growing mysteriously from the midst of death and decay itself, interprets that as proof that beauty (as wrought by the Maker) exists and must be protected, then (and here's my personal spin) sees the Warden as her opportunity to do the Maker's will...to fight to save and preserve that beauty and turn the tide against the oncoming evil threatening to overwhelm the world.

All of which (to tie into the "was she a spy" question) leads me to stand firm on my belief that she wasn't yet a Seeker when the Warden met her. She had been a spy, yes, she had the skills and talents, but at that point in her life, she was a sister dedicating her life to the Maker and seeing if there was more she could do. Given her connections and her past though, she was snatched up into the Seeker fold, as it were, post-fall of the Archdemon.

Or so I see it. I leave open the possibility for all of the above to be proven wrong when we get more of her story. And I suspect that cheese might be involved when the truth comes out.

I think you are very close.  While I don't like the idea of her becoming a Seeker (I romanced the hell out of her in many PT's:wub:) I can see where they might be heading with her story. I hate it, truth be told, because I wanted her to stay with my warden, but I always have AU. But regardless I think you are pretty close to what she was doing. Plus if you get a chance to play Leliana's Song it goes deeper. A lot of people take that the DLC being in Denerim means she was lying, but I take it more that being in Denerim was a limitation of the devs in making the DLC (not having to create a whole new setting) She is a spy for Marjolaine and is betrayed. She wakes in the chantry after her escape from imprisonment and meets Dorothea (the Divine in the time of DA2).  I think that once Dorothea becomes the Divine, and having past dealings with Leliana and Marjolaine, enlists her help for whatever reason that really has not been divulged yet. Like I said I don't necessarily like this, she should be with my warden damnit, but oh well.

[whykikyouwhy]

@RagingCyclone - But she can still be with your Warden, no? I don't know all of the dialogue options during her cameo in DA2, but doesn't she simply say "(s)he is very dear to me but I work for the Divine now?" I don't read that as "I left the Warden at the side of the road but oh, we did have some good times." I read that as "we remain close but circumstances dictate that I need to do this job...for now."

Maybe because her statement is fairly vague and not at all final, I have injected my own head canon. So too, if the Warden is "missing" at the end of DA2, part of Leliana's goal could be to find him/her. She may know that the disappearance is tied to that of the Champion's. Or...she actually knows or suspects where the Warden is, but is protecting that bit of information.

So many possibilities, but nothing *yet* that excludes any kind of "off in to the sunset" finale for her.

Oh, and I just figured Denerim was just a pitstop in the DLC. She's a well traveled bard.

[LobselVith8]

I guess Leliana broke up with The Warden if he didn't agree with her goals. Leliana is with the Chantry now. Doesn't it imply that anyone who went through Origins with a protagonist who didn't like the Chantry or the templars wouldn't remain with Leliana? She's clearly with the organization years later, now as a Seeker, so it doesn't seem to have been a temporary position. Maybe a pro-Chantry or pro-templar Warden would be supportive of Leliana's decision.

[RagingCyclone]

@whykikyouwhy- I'm not sure, and with some the writing snafu's from Origins to DA2 (retcons and handwaving) I personally don't have a lot of faith in what the writers are doing with her. It's a personal thing I know, but my headcanon warden took the boon to become Teyrn of Gwaren. And it didn't help that it took...what...two patches...before that line about the warden being dear to her was ever heard, at least in my DA2 PT's. It's a main reason I have stated before my canon warden will never import further in the DA saga...for me it's a matter of trust in the writer's to remain consistent with the options they made available for the Origins companions which so far they have not done that I can see. So far I just don't trust them as far as Leliana is concerned.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I personally don't see killing Leliana and her being alive a retcon if you did kill her. Consider where you kill her - at the urn. A urn that has magical healing powers. Which we know to be true or we wouldn't have been able to cure Arl Eamon. Wynne could have also gone back and done this or cast out with her spirit healer or sent the spirit to heal Leliana. Wynne and Leliana seemed to be friends. There are several explanations on why she can be alive.

Flemeth could have revived her for all we know or used the ashes to heal her and bring her back to life. If Flemeth is Andraste then this would make sense. Morrigan tells us that her mother has strong healing powers. I can see Flemeth saving Leliana for her own reasons. Flemeth seems to have a knack for saving people. How do we know that Alistair and The Warden didn't die in the Tower of Ishal and Flemeth brought us back to life? We really don't know this. We only know that we wake up in Flemeth's hut. Morrigan asks us if we have any memory of what happened and we aren't given the option to say that we remember fully on how we got out of the tower. There is a mystery there and we aren't able to see the top of the tower if you play RTO. It's magically sealed, the door from the first floor which leads to the second floor of the tower. This might mean something or not, could be nothing more than they didn't want to make RTO longer and use the rest of the tower, making us go down in the tower instead of up.

I think Leliana was a spy for Dorthea after Leliana's Song, when we meet her in DAO. Since DA2 it was mentioned in a codex that it was rumored that Dorthea became the Divine through underhanded dealings. Which would coinside with Leliana's background. Dorthea herself was invovled with underhanded dealings and I'm guessing she herself was once a bard as well. She as good as said that she too once lived this type of life before entering the chantry. Dorthea tells Leliana this in LS.

What if bards out of Orlais are actually a branch of the Seekers and they are the real bard masters, from the chantry itself? I can see this happening from what Leliana tells of the bard order or more what she doesn't say. Leliana said that the bards have a patron(s). Could this patron be Celene or any sitting Divine? Makes sense since all in the Chantry sings the chant, women and men. Bards sing and act. There was more than one bard in the tavern in Lothering. They could have been following Leliana when she becames part of the wardens party and follow the wardens. I got the impression that alot of people were spying on the warden's camp and their followers off screen.

Dorthea sends Leliana to find the surviving wardens from Ostagar and help defeat the blight which probably sealed her chances of being named the Divine within the Chantry when the old divine died. This is what I'm guessing.

Has anyone considered that if you do kill Leliana that she could have had a twin? Has any rpg game ever done this before? Have a NPC or companion who is a twin? We kill one twin but see the other one walking around who might take up their twins identitiy. Just a possibility.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 08 septembre 2011 - 04:25 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I don't know that the twin thing has been done in an rpg, but it's certainly a plot device in many a movie, book, or comic (or soap opera). I'm not sure if that would please or anger fans though, but it would be interesting to see how that would unfold. (Might be good fanfic fodder.)

The Orlesian bards being part of the Seekers would be an interesting twist (or maybe that the Seekers specifically look for those with bardic skills). I suspect that the ties between Orlais and that order might be explorer further in the upcoming anime - or so I hope.

[LobselVith8]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I personally don't see killing Leliana and her being alive a retcon if you did kill her.

Leliana can be killed in Origins. If she's alive in an import in Dragon Age 2, then it's a recton.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Consider where you kill her - at the urn. A urn that has magical healing powers.

An Urn which is destroyed by dragon blood, as the Epilogue slide attests to if Brother Genitivi isn't killed and is allowed to bring the Chantry to the Frostback Mountains. It leads to his suicide because there are no more ashes left, and his discovery is discredited.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Which we know to be true or we wouldn't have been able to cure Arl Eamon. Wynne could have also gone back and done this or cast out with her spirit healer or sent the spirit to heal Leliana. Wynne and Leliana seemed to be friends. There are several explanations on why she can be alive.

Or Wynne can be killed along with Leliana. And any explanation that changes Leliana from being dead to being alive is still a recton of Leliana being dead for anyone who did kill her.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Flemeth could have revived her for all we know or used the ashes to heal her and bring her back to life. If Flemeth is Andraste then this would make sense. Morrigan tells us that her mother has strong healing powers. I can see Flemeth saving Leliana for her own reasons. Flemeth seems to have a knack for saving people. How do we know that Alistair and The Warden didn't die in the Tower of Ishal and Flemeth brought us back to life? We really don't know this. We only know that we wake up in Flemeth's hut. Morrigan asks us if we have any memory of what happened and we aren't given the option to say that we remember fully on how we got out of the tower. There is a mystery there and we aren't able to see the top of the tower if you play RTO. It's magically sealed, the door from the first floor which leads to the second floor of the tower. This might mean something or not, could be nothing more than they didn't want to make RTO longer and use the rest of the tower, making us go down in the tower instead of up.

I don't think Flemeth can bring people back from the dead. She seemed to go through some trouble with the amulet to prevent her own demise by placing a part of herself in the amulet she gave to Hawke, so that her death at the hands of The Warden wouldn't be the end of her existance. I also don't see why Flemeth would care about Leliana's life when she isn't necessary to stop the Blight in the way that The Warden and Alistair are as the last two Grey Wardens left in Ferelden.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I think Leliana was a spy for Dorthea after Leliana's Song, when we meet her in DAO. Since DA2 it was mentioned in a codex that it was rumored that Dorthea became the Divine through underhanded dealings. Which would coinside with Leliana's background. Dorthea herself was invovled with underhanded dealings and I'm guessing she herself was once a bard as well. She as good as said that she too once lived this type of life before entering the chantry. Dorthea tells Leliana this in LS.

It's a possibility that Leliana continued to aid Dorethea. I got the impression Dorethea was the person who Leliana went to see if The Warden romanced her and he became Arl during the crisis in Amaranthine.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Has anyone considered that if you do kill Leliana that she could have had a twin? Has any rpg game ever done this before? Have a NPC or companion who is a twin? We kill one twin but see the other one walking around who might take up their twins identitiy. Just a possibility.

That's done quite a bit in soaps.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

It makes sense to me that the bard order is tied in with the chantry. They chantry came into power from Orlais. I hope we get more insight from the new book as well. Since the book will also be set in Orlais and the seat of the Divine will be involved because of the killings that will happen in the seat of power of the Templars in Orlais.

In doing the rogue quests in Denerim, the Chantry was involved and they seemed to be very interested in who was in power with the different rogue factions in Denerim. You know the Reverend Mother who was going on and on about food everytime you walk by her and the other sister. Where you have to decide if D or K and their groups take controlling power in Denerim. I always choose D to ****** the chantry off. You do the wink and nod with K. So rogues factions and bards are associated with the Chantry.

[RagingCyclone]

@EvaliaRavenHart-whether Leliana was killed or not, her presence in DA2 as a Seeker is a retcon. It's the reason this thread even exists. Whether one wants to admit it or not, each person posting here has at one point or another questioned why she was there. All of the theories and speculation are attempts to bridge the gap in the two parts of her story that at the offset don't seem to fit. That is what a retcon does. Did the writers have a plan from the beginning? I doubt it. Do they have one now? I am sure they do, but it's basically a retcon of a retcon. It's a trap that many writing professors will tell any student to avoid. Could I be wrong on this last part...sure...I don't know all of the details involved...only a hunch of what I have seen thus far.

[whykikyouwhy]

@LobselVith8 - Whether or not Leliana is a retcon is probably going to remain a matter of opinion, because of the possibility that she may never have actually "died" in both body and spirit. And yes, that will bring about concerns of agency and/or choice, but with all of the weirdness at the site of the Urn, any sort of event of miraculous proportion could have taken place.

With regard to Flemeth - maybe the stashing away of a piece of herself was less about ensuring she lived on, but allowing herself to reform quickly. If she can truly be in multiple places at once, maybe the perceived death of one clone of her (for lack of a better word) would weaken the others, and perhaps shuttling off that little bit of one clone preserved its power. She doesn't come out and say she was concerned about death, just that she knew that Morrigan would try something. There are worse things than death - maybe she was concerned about imprisonment. So...can she resurrect? Who knows. Maybe with the right amount of dragon magicks.

But, if Flemeth were interested in saving Leliana, it probably wouldn't be due to her role in fighting the Blight. Since the Witch can see somewhat into the future, there may have been something on the horizon to preserve the bard for.

All speculations, yes, but basically, very little has been set in stone for either character.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Lobselvith

I killed Brother Genitivi once and in this playthrough I got a slide that said the ashes were stolen. I always guessed that Leliana or Zevran stole the ashes or even Morrigan. Could have been Alistair too or someone else off screen. If Leliana stole the ashes in this situation then I can also see this helping place Dorthea in power within the chantry. I did keep Leliana alive in that playthrough. Actually I've never killed her.

We also don't know for sure if damaging the ashes really does anything to them with the blood from the dragon. We are also told that a dragon's blood has healing powers and this is why the blood cults are around. So where the blood of the dragon is concerned it can go either way. Isn't this where we pick up the gift (book) for Wynne on a blood dragon potions in this quest. I think we do pick this up during this quest.  I can also see the ashes being replenished when you kill the High Dragon at the urn.  What if the ashes are nothing more than the ashes of a draon?  We don't really know this either. 

If the Maker is real and he wants Leliana to be alive then she will be. Or as I said we have her twin walking around.
 
Also, the slides at the end of the games don't mean anything, they are rumors and the possible gossip of people in Thedas.  David Gaider has said that the slides are more than likely just rumors.  Anders slide endings in Awakenings prove this.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 08 septembre 2011 - 05:50 .