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[Ferretinabun]

Just completed a runthrough where I wanted to romance Isabela, but somehow she just didn't fall for me. Where did I go wrong?

I didn't flirt with anyone else just to avoid confusion, I always chose the sarcastic dialogue options which she generally responded well to, I always chose the 'heart/love/flirt' lines when available. I slept with her fairly early on in Act 2, after which I answered 'Of course not' when she asked if I was 'bringing feelings into this' (I'm guessing this was my mistake, but I figured it's what she wanted to hear. Reverse psychology and all that).

Later, after mum got chopped up, she came to comfort me, which I thought meant she was still my love interest. I also got Varric saying she stayed at my side in his epilogue. However, I didn't get any of her 'in love' dialogue through Act 3. I did also notice in the codex entry, two almost identical entries explaining Isabela's departure at the end of Act 2 which (if I remember right) differed in what she said to me before she left, which suggests a plain bug somewhere.

So what gives? Does Isabela have a no-strings-fun romance as well as an in-love romance?

What with accidentally killing my Fenris romance with an 'invisible' break-up line, Anders is the one companion whose ever really fallen for me. Lucky, lucky me, eh?

[whykikyouwhy]

I think you may have went off track in the post-smooth loving moment. You need to ask her something along the lines of "what about love" which will prompt her to talk about her past and such. A bit of Q&A is required to really get the romance going.

Other than using the wiki for a play-by-play of what you need to do, there is this rather thorough and helpful FAQ that I would recommend.

[Wikal]

Ferretinabun wrote...

I slept with her fairly early on in Act 2, after which I answered 'Of course not' when she asked if I was 'bringing feelings into this' (I'm guessing this was my mistake, but I figured it's what she wanted to hear. Reverse psychology and all that).

That's where it went wrong. You need to explore all the conversation options about her past experience with relationships in order to proceed with the romance (after exploring the options, you should get an option along the lines of "you're afraid of being loved").

[Ferretinabun]

Thanks.
I hope Merrill's easier to romance. She seems a nice, uncomplicated girl...

[devSin]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Anders is the one companion whose ever really fallen for me. Lucky, lucky me, eh?

Ooh, I've been thinking about you every single night for three years. Love me! Love me!

[Ferretinabun]

No wonder Varric didn't want his pillow after he'd cried himself to sleep on it every night for the last decade.

[devSin]

The romance made me cringe. I thought I was in a forest, there was so much sap.

I seriously want to smack him in the face. "Girl, are you for real?"

The rejection face he makes when you turn him away after having sex made it worth it, though.

Modifié par devSin, 02 septembre 2011 - 03:37 .

[Ferretinabun]

Ooh, gotta try that. *frantically looks on youtube*

[TEWR]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Thanks.
I hope Merrill's easier to romance. She seems a nice, uncomplicated girl...

Yea the "of course not" ends the relationship. Merrill's easier to romance, and I found the friendship path the most rewarding path of all.

[Ferretinabun]

Found it.



Poor muppet-faced Anders. Almost makes me feel sorry for him.

Then again, the whole blowing-up-the-chantry thing suddenly makes a lot more sense if this happens...

[Ferretinabun]

Redux - After trying to decide between friend- and rival- mancing Merrill, I opted for one of each. She's totally the best one.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Saying "of course not" does NOT end the relationship -- it simply makes it 'friends with benefits' instead of a true romance. You still get flirt lines, Isabela doesn't go off to sleep with Fenris (that I recall), she's still with you. I got the impression from her that she might actually fall in love with a Hawke who doesn't talk about 'feelings', she just never brings it up -- and Hawke never gets a chance in however many years to change his/her mind about the relationship just being lust/physical, which would have been nice.

[Gervaise]

I made the same mistake with Isabella - partly because my guy didn't want to admit that he was hurt by her casual stance, so he said he was okay with not bringing feelings into it - but mostly because I assumed she was going to be like Zevran or Morrigan, where they maintain they don't want to bring weak emotions into it but eventually admit their true feelings. So I thought everything was on track when she conforted me over my mother but then after saving her from the Arishok I got nothing that I wouldn't have done as a friend. I was expecting all the stuff about her former marriage and why she wouldn't fall in love in Act 3 but apparently had lost it in Act 2. If I had received the conversation, it would also have explained her comment about her mother when consoling me - as it was I just had to assume they had not had a good relationship. I also thought may be I messed up with her because I killed the slaver and this apparently stopped her getting her ship - I still don't understand why a live slaver and papers (that could be burnt, torn up, claimed to be forgeries, etc) give you a better claim over a ship than dead slaver. It is comforting to know this was not the case but a pity that you are not given a second chance in Act 3 to put your relationship with Isabella on a more romantic footing.

[Reno_Tarshil]

My Hawke treated Izzy the same way My Warden treated Morrigan, they both persued the romance option regardless if Izzy/Morrigan didn't want the loveydovey sort and thus both managed to convince them that Love was the only option.

[Gervaise]

It is the one thing I have against the romances in DA2 compared with Origins - that you have to be clairvoyant in order to get the romance to work - or constantly consult forums to find out why they are not/ make sure you make the right choices that they do.

In Origins your character could quite genuinely say that they are okay with no feelings relationship at the beginning but when the companion realises they do have feelings, your own character also gets the opportunity to re-evaluate whether they feel differently too.

In DA2 you have to play it that your character wants to be romantically involved the first time they sleep with someone - okay so they have known them for 3 years but you really don't know that much about them. If you don't want feelings to enter into it, you are stuck with that viewpoint for the rest of the game - no allowance for your character to develop further as the result of events. If you change your mind about the romance, you have to do so immediately after sleeping with them - be an absolute bastard in other words. No opportunity for growing apart or finding that actually your true feelings are for someone else, which given the timescales involved is realistic. So with Isabella we have a "friends with benefits" relationship that cannot be ended, so you can move onto someone else for whom you discover later you do have real romantic attachment (apart from Anders who seems content to jump in on any prior relationship), and you cannot move onto a deeper relationship with Isabella herself. Also all this must take place in Act 2 and if you are a middle of the road sort of person, may not actually occur at all because of needing to be sufficiently advanced on the friendship/rivalry scale for certain dialogues to trigger and this may not happen until Act 3 if you are role playing rather than just metagaming. (I am talking about romances generally because of course if you are not sufficiently advanced on the scale with Isabella, she just leaves - or does she come back regardless if you are in a relationship with her?)

All these things were possible with Origins and a relationship could develop swiftly or slowly depending on how your relationship with the companion stood at a particular point in the game and whether they had to be in love or not in order to sleep with you. But then that was one long story, rather than divided into separate Acts.

[whykikyouwhy]

@Gervaise - I think the structure of DA2 had much to do with how the romances were paced. You have Act 1, which is essentially a recruitment phase. You gather your friends, get to know them a bit, etc. By Act 2, the implication is that you have adventured with these people awhile, had drinks, shared stories, etc, so they are closer to you, and therefore, jumping from friend into a romance would make sense. Because we don't see all parts within the span of the DA2 timeline, we don't *see* the same kind of progression. I don't think that's a bad thing - it's just different from DA:O.

Of course, with DA:O, you could conceivably horde all of your gift items, and spend one evening in camp plying your LI with presents and chatting them up and be able to quite nearly unlock the "let's go to your tent" phase of your relationship. Which may just mean that the Warden makes some helluva good s'mores.

[Reno_Tarshil]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@Gervaise - I think the structure of DA2 had much to do with how the romances were paced. You have Act 1, which is essentially a recruitment phase. You gather your friends, get to know them a bit, etc. By Act 2, the implication is that you have adventured with these people awhile, had drinks, shared stories, etc, so they are closer to you, and therefore, jumping from friend into a romance would make sense. Because we don't see all parts within the span of the DA2 timeline, we don't *see* the same kind of progression. I don't think that's a bad thing - it's just different from DA:O.

Of course, with DA:O, you could conceivably horde all of your gift items, and spend one evening in camp plying your LI with presents and chatting them up and be able to quite nearly unlock the "let's go to your tent" phase of your relationship. Which may just mean that the Warden makes some helluva good s'mores.

I had a Makeout session with Morrigan within the first step of lothering and had her bedded first time we ended up in camp. It goes by super quick especially when you know just what to say to her.

[whykikyouwhy]

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I had a Makeout session with Morrigan within the first step of lothering and had her bedded first time we ended up in camp. It goes by super quick especially when you know just what to say to her.

Precisely. I think you have a better opportunity in DA:O to take on a romance in a slow, steady manner, though conversely, you could speed it up until it's just a blur of screentime. DA2 is simply paced differently, overall.

I wish my Warden could have pursued Morrigan as a LI (un-modded). Ah well.

[Reno_Tarshil]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I had a Makeout session with Morrigan within the first step of lothering and had her bedded first time we ended up in camp. It goes by super quick especially when you know just what to say to her.

Precisely. I think you have a better opportunity in DA:O to take on a romance in a slow, steady manner, though conversely, you could speed it up until it's just a blur of screentime. DA2 is simply paced differently, overall.

I wish my Warden could have pursued Morrigan as a LI (un-modded). Ah well.

I feel the opposite tbh In DA2 I mostly prefer the slow get to know you by the years approach although I do wish I had just a tiny bit more leading up to it parts.

[Morroian]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Saying "of course not" does NOT end the relationship -- it simply makes it 'friends with benefits' instead of a true romance. You still get flirt lines, Isabela doesn't go off to sleep with Fenris (that I recall), she's still with you. I got the impression from her that she might actually fall in love with a Hawke who doesn't talk about 'feelings', she just never brings it up -- and Hawke never gets a chance in however many years to change his/her mind about the relationship just being lust/physical, which would have been nice.

But in the end game she and Hawke don't kiss and in the epilogue slide she doesn't stay with Hawke. I made the same mistake the OP did and was annoyed at the end when I didn't get that, I ended up repeating that particular Hawke from Halfway through Act 2.

[Urzon]

I feel the opposite tbh In DA2 I mostly prefer the slow get to know you by the years approach although I do wish I had just a tiny bit more leading up to it parts.

I don't mind it being slower than DAO, but having to wait years for the romance to finally begin is streching it a bit. I was only sad that i got stuck with friendship Anders threw my first playthrough.

Sure in Act 1 he was fine, i was all "woot" for mage freedom. Act 2 rolls around, he gets a little bit for glowy, but i can deal with that. In Act 3 he was basically foaming at the mouth shouting for mage freedom and death to the templars, and all i could this is "Wow, I should have rolled with Merrill or Fenris."

[Reno_Tarshil]

Urzon wrote...

I feel the opposite tbh In DA2 I mostly prefer the slow get to know you by the years approach although I do wish I had just a tiny bit more leading up to it parts.

I don't mind it being slower than DAO, but having to wait years for the romance to finally begin is streching it a bit. I was only sad that i got stuck with friendship Anders threw my first playthrough.

Sure in Act 1 he was fine, i was all "woot" for mage freedom. Act 2 rolls around, he gets a little bit for glowy, but i can deal with that. In Act 3 he was basically foaming at the mouth shouting for mage freedom and death to the templars, and all i could this is "Wow, I should have rolled with Merrill or Fenris."

I honestly wish I could have prevented him from going nuts..

[Urzon]

I honestly wish I could have prevented him from going nuts..

Me as well. I just wished i had the option to slap him up side the head anytime he started a mage rant. That or an option to drag him to Tevinter to try and solve his Justice problem after the Gallows. If Wynne thinks they might be able to un-golemize Shale, they must know something about about whats going on with Anders.

Modifié par Urzon, 02 septembre 2011 - 11:42 .

[Macropodmum]

I remember the first playthrough that I romanced Fenris, at the end when we were all waiting for the templars to storm the circle I never spoke to him. For some reason the second time I did, after I realised that I could have a chat with all my companions, and only just got the romanced achievement then. Needless to say I had to load up the last playthrough and do that again. The romances in Origins were so much easier and more natural.

Modifié par Macropodmum, 02 septembre 2011 - 12:44 .

[naledgeborn]

Not to mention gender-blindness. I'm all for s/s romance if done correctly...like everything else that gets dev time. But the "gender-blindness" or the romances really felt bleh.

The best parts of the Morrigan romance was the back and forth teasing. Her trying to emasculate a male Warden for bringing up love and of course the stamina/taint conversation after "witch gone wild". It made the romances more personal.

Other than a few he's and she's thrown around in party banter the romance (I only romanced Isabela with M Hawke so I'm speaking from that perspective) felt like a one-size fits all. I hope they beef up the dialogue in DLC/Expansions so that I know that Isabela is speaking to a male Hawke and not a "one-size fits all" lover.