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[Robhuzz]

Golden Owl wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...


It was predictable. Certain characters will always get more screen time than others. Also, BioWare simply decreed the whole Shadow Broker thing would have an effect on ME3 and so had to be resolved. A VS DLC would also have conflicted with the story. While Shepard is working with Cerberus, the VS won't have anything to do with him. The only way to have gotten a proper VS dlc was if Shepard left Cerberus during ME2. Since that didn't happen, no VS dlc. Their situation will be resolved in ME3, while Liara's has been resolved already. And since both of them are (from how it looks now) permanent squad members in ME3, I fail to see the real problem.

Joining the (no permanents) squad rotation would be the better deal....a better balance.

I contribute that one to game mechanics. Rotating squadmembers is much easier if you always have a wide core team available (Liara/kaidan - biotics. Tali/garrus/kaidan - tech. Ashley/james/garrus - combat).

Oh, I do hope thats not the case...what I very much appreciate about ME2 has been the ability to choose a squad I have the best combat synergy with...I suck with Biotics and CQC's on my team...

You could still use Soldier Shepard + Ashley + Garrus = Mostly combat squad. I simply meant I believe they formed a permanent squad like this to make sure you can make any squad combination you want at any point in the game (all biotic, all tech, all combat or a mix).

[KawaiiKatie]

jreezy wrote...

So when was this established?

When she survived Wrex's rampage... and the nuke on Virmire... and Saren's attack on the Citdel... and just about everything else that can get everyone else killed except for Liara...?

...are we seriously debating the fact that Liara can't die? Do you know of an instance where Liara can die?

[Golden Owl]

Robhuzz wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...


It was predictable. Certain characters will always get more screen time than others. Also, BioWare simply decreed the whole Shadow Broker thing would have an effect on ME3 and so had to be resolved. A VS DLC would also have conflicted with the story. While Shepard is working with Cerberus, the VS won't have anything to do with him. The only way to have gotten a proper VS dlc was if Shepard left Cerberus during ME2. Since that didn't happen, no VS dlc. Their situation will be resolved in ME3, while Liara's has been resolved already. And since both of them are (from how it looks now) permanent squad members in ME3, I fail to see the real problem.

Joining the (no permanents) squad rotation would be the better deal....a better balance.

I contribute that one to game mechanics. Rotating squadmembers is much easier if you always have a wide core team available (Liara/kaidan - biotics. Tali/garrus/kaidan - tech. Ashley/james/garrus - combat).

Oh, I do hope thats not the case...what I very much appreciate about ME2 has been the ability to choose a squad I have the best combat synergy with...I suck with Biotics and CQC's on my team...

You could still use Soldier Shepard + Ashley + Garrus = Mostly combat squad. I simply meant I believe they formed a permanent squad like this to make sure you can make any squad combination you want at any point in the game (all biotic, all tech, all combat or a mix).

Infiltrator Shep...FTW......I digress....

Ash didn't make it......Anyway, I am still holding out and hoping that BW has scrapped the set permanent squad thing and has relented to allowing us to choose our own teams from the ME1,2 & 3 squad pool.

[alex90c]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

jreezy wrote...

So when was this established?

When she survived Wrex's rampage... and the nuke on Virmire... and Saren's attack on the Citdel... and just about everything else that can get everyone else killed except for Liara...?

...are we seriously debating the fact that Liara can't die? Do you know of an instance where Liara can die?

Headcanon.

[Niddy']

Liara > Tali & Garrus. umad?

[KawaiiKatie]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Tell me something: What is so NOT mortal about Liara?

The fact that... she can't die...?

jreezy wrote...

And obviously there are no situations where Liara can die.

So... we agree, then?

You seem to be confusing can't die with doesn't die though.

Semantics aside, that's hardly the point. Liara dons plot armour so thick it rivals Morrigan from Dragon Age, and to pretend otherwise is pretty much an insult to every other Mass Effect character. The point of threads like these is to postulate if that plot armour will come off in ME3, or if Liara will, yet again, stand untouched and unharmed by the planets exploding around her. None of us are honeslty confused, wondering if Liara will magically because "mortal" and shed some sort of magical, godlike "immortality." No, we're wondering if she will be "mortal" in the sense of, "will Liara be subject to death" in ME3, an option from which she has thus far been spared.

[S.A.K]

jreezy wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

She should be mortal but shouldn't have unavoidable death. Just like everyone else.

Tell me something: What is so NOT mortal about Liara?

She's alive in everyones playthroughs so far. What else? If she is dead in any of your playthroughs please tell everyone how you did it.

[S.A.K]

jreezy wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

jreezy wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

She should be mortal but shouldn't have unavoidable death. Just like everyone else.

Tell me something: What is so NOT mortal about Liara?

She's alive in everyones playthroughs so far. What else? If she is dead in any of your playthroughs please tell everyone how you did it.

I'm taking that secret to the grave.:DSeriously though I don't think anyone needs to worry about Liara being untouchable in ME3. If she somehow remained unkillable that would be a huge insult to the whole "Galactic War" theme BioWare seems to be going for. Death should be able to come for EVERYONE in ME3; Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, Joker, Tali, Garrus, Jack, Thane, Legion , Wrex, etc.

Thats pretty much what I said in my first post. Glad you agree.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Honestly I'm fine with Liara keeping her plot armor at this point.
I can live with that.

I do however want the ability to be mean to her and have it stick.

*Because 2 out of my 10 Shepards don't like her*

[Dariustwinblade]

OHH! Pick me I know a way for Liara to die before Me3.

ALLOW THE COUNTDOWN FOR THE REAPER'S ARRIVAL TO OCCURE. Allow the Reapers to jump through the Alpha Relay. I Arrival, Liara and all other life in the galaxy dies.

THERE I FOUND A WAY FOR LIARA TO DIE IN A CUTSCENE.

[Dariustwinblade]

OHH! Pick me I know a way for Liara to die before Me3.

ALLOW THE COUNTDOWN FOR THE REAPER'S ARRIVAL TO OCCURE. Allow the Reapers to jump through the Alpha Relay. In Arrival, Liara and all other life in the galaxy dies.

THERE I FOUND A WAY FOR LIARA TO DIE IN A CUTSCENE.

[Dariustwinblade]

Yes, genius isn't it in order to kill Liara you need to sacrifice an entire galactic civilisation.

[KotorEffect3]

Liara rules, and I am going to save Thessia.

[Neria Rose]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Even if her plot armor continues to hold in ME3, there's still this gem:

Indeed, this gif makes me smile . The video even moreso. Though, I do wish Bioware would verify for sure whether or not it's an actual death and not just severe injury. I probably wouldn't believe it until I'd actually played through it, I suppose.

[Kabanya101]

Could people please stop making forums where they need X character to die, or X character gets to much screen time so he/she is Bioware's favorite character.

Since when is Liara Bioware's favorite character? They didn't add her as a squaddie in ME2, and in the normal game you only have a few lines of dialouge with her, so is that favoritism, no. They only made the DLC because Liara has the biggest fanbase of all the other characters, so it would only seem natural to do so.

Everybody brings up how Liara is immortal, what about the Virmire survivor. How comes you can't put a bullet in their head when they betray you in ME2? So just cause a character that returns from ME1 that can't die in ME2 all of a sudden seems godly and immortal. Get over yourself.

Don't worry, if you want someone to die in the game, just wait till ME3 and push them in front of a Reaper. Then you can finally say adios ****head.

[KyreneZA]

laecraft wrote...

It's been already pointed out, but I'd like to do it again - even if the teammates are all immortal in ME3, they can clearly feel pain, as Atlas kindly demonstrates. I'm going to recruit VS just for the pleasure of watching Atlas deal with them. Several times. Maybe I'll rotate my teammates, so that everyone gets a turn with Atlas. See how well they stand against it. Let it be my little battle quiz.

This, so very much. Just like I had Joker die enough times to get over the fact that he helped cause Shepard's death. It's so much fun seeing his eyes widen the moment before "Critical Mission Failure".

I also hope to be mean to Liara, as none of my Shepards like her. Probably from too many unwarranted and invasive "embrace eternity"s before Ilos. Probably not going to happen, so Atlas it will have to be.

Modifié par Kyrene, 02 septembre 2011 - 11:57 .

[Vilio1]

I see, the usual Liara haters have already found this thread...

[Dariustwinblade]

I already explained a way for her to die.

Just let the Reapers go through the Alpha Relay.

[KotorEffect3]

What the idiotic Liara haters seem to forget is that Shepard never would have been able to track Saren to Ilos without Liara's help. BTW did I mention I am saving Thessia?

[Dariustwinblade]

KotorEffect3 they forget Shepard would still be dead. If Liara hadn't saved him.

[MELTOR13]

 Oh boo hoo...

You pretty much have to deliberately kill off Wrex, Garrus, and/or Tali, but no one ever complains about them. 

Wrex - You have to deliberately not put a decent amount of points into your Charm/Intimidate, even when the game tells you with little hints that it's important, and pretty much every quest conversation has Paragon/Renegade options.

The only ways to kill Garrus in ME2 are to either NOT do his loyalty mission (choice doesn't matter, because it's impossible to fail his loyalty mission), and/or to make stupid choices in the SM, when they practically give you the answer for every possible squad choice. 

Tali, while a little easier to kill, still requires you to either A) not do her loyalty mission at all, Purposely tell the Admiralty board about her father, knowing full well that Tali will be super-pissed at you, and/or make stupid choices in the SM, again, when they pretty much give you every correct squad choice. 

Unless you enjoy deliberately skipping game content and/or don't have half a brain, Wrex/Garrus/Tali are relatively impossible to kill. Please cry more.