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[Juniper Mucius]

I've done a number of playthroughs of Mass Effect already, and am currently about to finish my 7th playthrough as a custom ManShep Infiltrator.  Even though I don't consider it my "main" playthrough (I reserve that title for my FemShep Sentinel), I plan on doing at least 4 playthroughs with this Shep (I also started my fourth playthrough with my FemShep).  With this character, however, I've gone through the game with no expenditures into the Charm and Intimidate talents.

It's also my first playthrough with a custom ManShep as opposed to the four playthroughs of Sheploo (two on X-Box as a Soldier, and one playthrough of Sheploo Vanguard when I started on PC).  I've grown to dislike the look of Sheploo, especially when it comes to classes like Infiltrator, Sentinel, or Engineer.  His look just doesn't fit anything but Soldier honestly.  

I digress.  I've decided I want to do this with this character, because I want to experience the game with access to all the dialogue choices (I'll indeed play through enough with my FemShep to max out her Intimidate, since I already maxed out her Paragon.  Though I may "reroll" a FemShep Sentinel since I unlocked new Talents), without hindering my combat ability by sticking 18-24 points into Charm and Intimidate.  Though I always play a "paragon" character, there are so many times I want to choose the renegade option, especially when dealing with enemies.  

How many have done this as well?  Sacrificed your ability to use Charm and Intimidate NPCs for a few playthroughs, to unlock all the possible choices?

[CajNatalie]

Since I'm addicted to the series and I'm ultra patient... I just play the game 3 times over to get 12 free Charm/Intimidate for all my characters now on...
All talent points go in to making my characters stronger now; no exceptions.

[Kronner]

Depends on what class I play. With Soldier, I can max both Charm and Intimidate without losing any power at all.

[termokanden]

You can max Charm or Intimidate in 3 playthroughs very easily and without exploits. By the third, you will not fail a single check (the toughest checks are last, and by then you'll have it maxed),

I am not sure you can max both in 3 playthroughs without exploits though. You can certainly pick one and max it without spending points.

As Kronner said, soldier is the obvious choice if you want to have spare points. It tends to hurt otherwise.

[MELTOR13]

Meh. I pretty much loathe the combat in ME1 so I play on Casual to just get everything over with immediately. I max out Charm and Intimidate so I can say whatever the hell I want whenever I want. It's nice, and then I get big bonuses for ME2.

[CajNatalie]

termokanden wrote...

You can max Charm or Intimidate in 3 playthroughs very easily and without exploits. By the third, you will not fail a single check (the toughest checks are last, and by then you'll have it maxed),

I am not sure you can max both in 3 playthroughs without exploits though. You can certainly pick one and max it without spending points.

As Kronner said, soldier is the obvious choice if you want to have spare points. It tends to hurt otherwise.

You can max both without exploits in only 3... as I said above it's what I do now.

The first run has to be done with a lot of care, and the BDtS expansion is needed for an extra 38 renegade, but you have them both at 4 points either while trapped on the Citadel (usually only with Space Waro Hero or Earthborn Ruthless configurations) or when you make the Council live/die decision.

I have two sheets on my desk that cover all the paragon/renegade points available. >_>
Double-sided, but still... only two sheets (Mass Effect 2 covers 6).

Modifié par CajNatalie, 02 septembre 2011 - 04:20 .

[capn233]

Eh, I just talk to my good buddy Lorik Qui'in and get them maxed that way.

Modifié par capn233, 02 septembre 2011 - 08:08 .

[Juniper Mucius]

MELTOR13 wrote...

Meh. I pretty much loathe the combat in ME1 so I play on Casual to just get everything over with immediately. I max out Charm and Intimidate so I can say whatever the hell I want whenever I want. It's nice, and then I get big bonuses for ME2.

Yeah, I play on Hardcore. I'll be doing an insanity playthrough soon, but I love the ME1 combat, and Hardcore makes the game fun. I can't say so about Insanity, but I imagine Insanity will ****** me off a lot until I get used to it. I get killed plenty on Hardcore when I'm not paying attention (or more commonly, my party glitches up and stops shooting), but the battles are fun and many of them involve me using my last attack power right before the last enemy delivers his killing blow only to be stopped short.

CajNatalie wrote...

I have two sheets on my desk that cover all the paragon/renegade points available. >_>
Double-sided, but still... only two sheets (Mass Effect 2 covers 6).

Is that online, or did you create it yourself? My configuration for my current ManShep playthrough is Colonial - Ruthless. My final playthrough I want to do would be “nice to everyone but his enemies, really hates Batarians”. I couldn’t choose Earthborn, because I really don’t like it. Two friggin’ orphan choices? I know Shepard is supposed to be like the great hero epic, and all our modern day heroes are orphans that rise above the ashes, but ugh. I collect Batman and Spider-Man comics, but I don’t need every hero to be like that.

My FemShep is Spacer - War Hero. Definitely my more favourite combination. Earthborn - Sole Survivor sounds like it’d be the most boring. “You’re from Earth, you’re an orphan that left a crime syndicate, and you survived an attack against a Thresher Maw...why are you here again?”

capn233 wrote...

Eh, I just talk to my good buddy Lorik Qui'in and get them maxed that way.

From what I’ve read on the Mass Effect wikia, that can corrupt save files and make the character not be transferable.

[termokanden]

CajNatalie wrote...
You can max both without exploits in only 3... as I said above it's what I do now.

You didn't mention not using exploits though (and I think it's quite common to do so here), but it's nice that you don't.

I have two sheets on my desk that cover all the paragon/renegade points available. >_>
Double-sided, but still... only two sheets (Mass Effect 2 covers 6).

Well I never cared THAT much about paragon/renegade but I often plan RPGs and play with sheets next to me to remember everything I want to get done. So I can certainly understand that.

FO:NV is the WORST when it comes to this. I planned everything down to how many points from skill books I can get (so I want to max everything, but no books must go to waste), and then they gradually release expansions with extra books, and recently there's even one where they are generated as random loot. Totally messes with my OCD 

Modifié par termokanden, 03 septembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[capn233]

The Free Jaffa wrote...
From what I’ve read on the Mass Effect wikia, that can corrupt save files and make the character not be transferable.

I don't think that is true. I have done that every playthough except the first couple, after I learned about it.

The wikia says that certain plot flags may not be saved correctly.... I have no idea if that is true. It doesn't specify which ones are messed up. Are they flags that are supposed to be noticed in ME2? The only thing I have off is Conrad, but that is a known, unrelated problem.

At least that was my experience on the PC. Couldn't tell you about console.

Modifié par capn233, 03 septembre 2011 - 01:16 .

[Praetor Knight]

capn233 wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...
From what I’ve read on the Mass Effect wikia, that can corrupt save files and make the character not be transferable.

I don't think that is true. I have done that every playthough except the first couple, after I learned about it.

The wikia says that certain plot flags may not be saved correctly.... I have no idea if that is true. It doesn't specify which ones are messed up. Are they flags that are supposed to be noticed in ME2? The only thing I have off is Conrad, but that is a known, unrelated problem.

At least that was my experience on the PC. Couldn't tell you about console.

There are some older threads that dealt with this issue, this thread might be the one that is mentioned in passing in the wiki: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1741320

[capn233]

Odd. I never had any problem with that. I certainly used the Lorik Qui'in thing on the bulk of the ones I imported for ME2. Never had a problem with the cameos.

[CajNatalie]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Is that online, or did you create it yourself?

I used the online guide and condensed it in to a much easier to follow paper format (which also doesn't require alt+tab to view from game).
Handwritten with all the paragon/renegade in blue/red. Charm/Intimidate dialogue is highlighted in respective colors.
Looked pretty, especially to an OCD gamer.

When I took it with me overseas it got folded and now it doesn't look as good... =/

[CajNatalie]

*double post*

Modifié par CajNatalie, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:01 .

[Yezdigerd]

In my playthroughs so far I put 5 point in charm/intimidate. I can never play a imported Shepard since you remove all challenge from the game. Which you pretty much have at lv 30 on a standalone playthrough, but the game feels somewhat alive up to that point.

Was thinking about simply consoling in persuasion next time to simulate repeated playthroughs, but really you don't lose any combat power, even on insanity the game is a joke at high level.

[who would know]

CajNatalie wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Is that online, or did you create it yourself?

I used the online guide and condensed it in to a much easier to follow paper format (which also doesn't require alt+tab to view from game).
Handwritten with all the paragon/renegade in blue/red. Charm/Intimidate dialogue is highlighted in respective colors.
Looked pretty, especially to an OCD gamer.

When I took it with me overseas it got folded and now it doesn't look as good... =/

Ooh, if you ever get the urge to scan that, I'd appreciate you sharing that.

[CajNatalie]

who would know wrote...

Ooh, if you ever get the urge to scan that, I'd appreciate you sharing that.

Sadly I don't have a scanner (not anymore). =(

[The Grey Ranger]

I'll confess that anymore, I tend to use the dev console for charm/intimidate. When I actually play, it's been a while.

[Juniper Mucius]

Yezdigerd wrote...

In my playthroughs so far I put 5 point in charm/intimidate. I can never play a imported Shepard since you remove all challenge from the game. Which you pretty much have at lv 30 on a standalone playthrough, but the game feels somewhat alive up to that point.

Was thinking about simply consoling in persuasion next time to simulate repeated playthroughs, but really you don't lose any combat power, even on insanity the game is a joke at high level.

Yeah, playing an Infiltrator from level one is so much fun.  Once you hit 50-55, you'll pretty much have all the best gear.  I really enjoy going through my items and figuring about the best gear and mods for the situation at hand.  Once you hit 50-55 though...you pretty much stop looking at gear or needing to buy things.