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txgoldrush wrote...
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While i agree DA2 has a fair few flaws that should have been done better Origins and its DLC has just as many flaws and is made even more horrendous by the fact it had a 3-4 year Dev cycle,hopefully the mistakes from both games will be rectified by DA3 but it would be unrealistic to expect them to please everyone when EA has their hands on the wallet and lets be honest EA has never been any good at doing anything other than Genre hybrids( notice in the tiger woods games how physics sometimes go out the window)
Alas whatever DA3 turns out to be im sure there will be many things that narks off the DAO fans
as the Fanbase is so much more polorized then any other group i've encounterd
Origins had nowhere near as many flaws as DA:2, that is a ridiculous thing to say.
yes it did....
The pacing problems are horrendous, the characters outside Alistair and somewhat Morrigan don't matter in th eplot, the plot lacks focus in the midgame, the plot is cliched as hell, Loghain is a very weak villian with illogical motives, the plot is very predictable, choices only matter in th eend for th emost part.
DAII had a overall great story but with rough edges that every RPG has (and it was rushed), could have it been even better? Yes....but the story is very unconventional and plays by different rules. Also the story was mismarketed, it NEVER really was about Hawke's "Rise To Power", it NEVER really was about his or her family either, it was about how much blame Hawke should take for the conflict. THATS the story. The story requires more attention being paid. In fact, what I thought were plot holes the first tome through was filled in my second playthrough.
The problems with the story was more around too much exposition of the first act, and the rushed nature of the third. The set up and the final mission was great (except for Orsino....but boy does DXHR's Zhao Yun Ru surpass him in shallowness) it just wasn't fleshed out enough and Meredith's motives are only talked about if the player sided with her at the beginning of the act.
And this smud..guy is an idiot....no foreshadowing for the sibling in the deep roads?...wow, what a moron (hint see scene before the deep roads). Doesn't realize Emeric was killed? Moron. Stopped watching during the second vid.
1.loghain is actually a good villian and it seems illogical because he is losing his mind and not thinking clearly.
2.d.a.2 story is not great in any form since its 3 short stories that are barely connect and and about 10 or so random subplots that end and restart again at random times.
3.there are still plot wholes no matter how times you play.
4.what it was about and what they advertised it about two different things but it was what they said it was going to be.
5.they also said it was a more personal story about hawke and his family so once again what they said and what it was are two different things.
6.you dont need to pay more attention to see the story isn't deep and doesn't always make sense.
7.the first act was do all the sidequest and then go to the deep roads,the second act is the best act but thats still not saying much since it doesn't always make sense,and act 3 was bad all around she wants all mages killed because they could all be blood mages so in repsonse the mages all use blood magic even if you side with the mages so uh DERP.
8.insulting him only helps suppourt the fact that you have no real argument and are just b.s.ing your argument.
1. Meredith can be described that way too. In fact, despite the insanity from the artifiact, she is justified in her cause. Loghain isn't, he is just an idiot.
2. The stories do connect, you haven't been paying attention. Not only do that influence things later, these storys actually converge. Notice how the Sheparding Wolves and the Unbriddled Rescue plotlines converge in Following the Qun. Its far from random, its just unconventional. This isn't Legend of Mana. Also, the stories connect in theme as well. Really DAO is a bunch of random stories in the midgame!!!!!
3. Not very many if you fully explore the game.
4. Just because the game is marketed one way doesn't mean its just like it. In fact, the blame should go to the marketing, not the writers.
5. It is a more personal story despite the family not being the main plot focus point.
6. I paid more attention and fully explored the dialogue, 98% of it DOES make sense.
7. So the anatagonists can't be right? They must always be wrong....lol.
8. When you get the facts wrong, you have no real argument.
Lol.
1.
Loghain is paranoid for what he went through, your fanboyism for DA2 is beyond measures.
There is no reasoning behind Meredith, she's just F***ing crazy because of an Amulate, That's the villian.
2.
No it isn't.
But let's follow your logic:
DAO's stories are similar in the fact that you have to scratch people's back, so they can scratch yours, and they all connect at the end because the armies go to Denerim and fight.
Not the best reasoning but hey, that's your reasoning.
3.
lol.
4.
Huh.... yes, it kinda is, or should.
If someone says Origins's story is actually about Growing up and understanding the meaning of life, that would be lying, but maybe that's just the way he wanted to see it, but it doesn't change the truth.
DA2's story is supposed to be about Hawke's Rise to Power, that's what they said it was, that's what it should be, but it's such a badly done mess that it doesn't F***ing what to do, you can assume otherwise, but they said it was about that, so that's where i'll be basing it on.
5.
If it was a personal story, then the character should have a bigger character Development.
Something, maybe some storyline ABOUT the character (not surrounding the character), like Geralt's Amnesia and search for answers and a way to recover his memory.
Hawke doesn't have this, The only that would be personal would be All that Remains, but that's very bare bones, since that doesn't change him at all as a character (and do not DARE to give me the "YOURE TEH KHARACTER" Bull****)
I'm glad that BioWare won't be making a similar story for DA3 (they have said it would be something about Saving the world from itself), they simply aren't made for this kind of story.
Not gonna reply to the other 3 cause i don't need to, but while i'm at it i'll also answer to some of your complains with DAO:
1. Well that's an opinion
2. This isn't a flaw, and even if it was it can be overlooked, most great games that are party based do not have companions that are important to the plot, Unless you're referring to JRPGs, which i haven't played many but i've heard they have a system similar to companions, so maybe you're talking about that, but this isn't a JRPG and other WRPGs have had this and have still gone down in time as classics (PS:T, BG2...).
3. What the F**k are you talking about? the hole it's like "Hey i need your help cause i want to stop the blight", "ok, but help me first", "alright, but you'll help me", the rest would be a side story, but it's there.
You're just lying desperately now.
4. Well, alright, i'll give you that one, but whether that's bad or not, that's subjective.
Many Great Film and Games have had cliched stories (Ever heard of a movie called ROCKY? for example)
5. Not true, if you removed your fanboy goggles, you would see that.
He is paranoid, he had to go through many things, and effectively lost any type of trust he could have ever had for the Orlesians, which Cailan was dealing with, and this insanity drove him to do many things.
You're defending Meredith, this shows your just a hypocrite, since shes crazy too, but at least Loghain has a story rather than just "Crazy cause this little sword told me to".
I'm not as much into Loghain's story and reasoning as much as i would like to, so i'm sure somebody who likes him could give you a better explanation.
6. I Repeat, have you ever heard of a Movie Called ROCKY?
7. That's not a flaw, most games have this(MOST, not all), it's the illusion of Choice that matters, and DAO has one, unlike DA2 which doesn't give a S**t.
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