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[Pygmalin]

 Ok, I can NOT keep these two alive at end game. I am trying one final playthrough to get that achievement, BUT is there a guide or something on how to keep everyone alive in the end? I have played through 2 times, and this one will be my final "master" save.  Fem Shepard, if that makes a difference. I don't want to sacrifice anyone else either, both playthroughs I managed to kill only those two. 

[Mr Zoat]

Third thread from the top. Basically, get them loyal, send Tali through the vents, send the rescued crew with Mordin and take Tali with you in the final fight.

[d1sciple]

weird. my first runthrough i went blind and saved everyone. it's kinda logical, upgrade everything so no one gets deaded on the way, then it's a question of who's the best engineer, who's the best leader, who's gonna protect the crew, who's the strongest biotic, for me all pretty obvious choices.
tali engineer
garrus leader
jacob crew
jack biotic
grunt with me in every fight, including final

the guides aren't perfect, for me it came down to who i trusted and overall it was tali and garrus(for obvious reasons). grunt is solid, even miranda but i only took her with me to fight, she couldn't be trusted with a major role, poor little genetically perfect... with ass... oh my god i wanna marry yvonne strahovsky!

[Pygmalin]

I had them all loyal, First time I sent Mordin in the Tunnel, he died at the door. Tali, died at the end game, when Shepard was heading back to the Normandy. I sent Grunt with Survivors. second Tali went in the tunnel, and I had Mordin, just with the crew, they both died end game this time.

Ok, so I'll try the suggestions, Garrus as leader will not ruin the Morale of Miranda? I always had Samara as my Biotic protector, and Miranda for the second. But now that you mention it Jack does make much better sense. Ok, thanks guys. Any more suggestions please feel free to comment. I am just starting this playthrough.

ALSO: If you bring Legion with you to the Tali Trail does this open more dialog for the Quarians to talk to Legion?

[d1sciple]

no one but jack is powerful enough and you either lose someone when they fall over at the end or the other squad member gets blasted when you open the door. cos of her issues she's not immediately the first choice but when you think about it she's like the hulk, the angrier she gets the more power she has, and we need some godamn fury to get through this. miranda at this point has kinda lost it, she's losing her purpose, losing her trust in TIM and anything you put her in charge of is doomed to fail. like i said the only people i could trust when it got to the end was my og crew(tali, garrus, jeff) and the dedicated, like samara, grunt and legion, those guys are obsessed with you and are my pick to have by my side. everyone else has too much going on to trust them, they're new to the game and have their own reasons for what they're doing and that's not good enough for me when the galaxy's in jeopardy.

[nocbl2]

There is a MASSIVE SM guide in one of the sections.

[FluxCapacitor]

I'll just re-link this anyway. You do not need to complete everyone's personal mission to get everyone to survive suicide mission, but if you didn't do Tali's or Legions quest you might have a problem.



seems bioware forum shrunk the image

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have direct link

Modifié par FluxCapacitor, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[spartacusthegod]

It's not that hard to keep them alive.

What you ABSOLUTELY need to do though, if you want to make sure they stay alive, you need Grunt, Zaeed, and Garrus all to be loyal, and leave them all behind to hold the line. The three of them staying behind, and being loyal, makes it nearly impossible for anyone else holding the line, loyal or not, to die.

Sending Mordin to keep the crew safe doesn't hurt either, by the way. He's one of the weakest links.

My first playthrough, Jacob, Thane, and Jack weren't loyal, I brought Legion and Tali with me, and sent Mordin with the crew. I was expecting to lose the three non-loyal squadmates, but everyone survived it. Grunt and Garrus especially are a huge boost, Zaeed (if you have him) is also a major help. I've never done a single playthrough where I brought any of them with me for the final fight.

EDIT:  I may as well list everything I do, never before (unless it was on purpose) have I lost a squadmate.  Only bring loyal people with you for the final fight, they will be safe.  Tali or Legion (must be loyal) for the Vent Specialist, Garrus or Miranda (also need to be loyal) for the Fireteam Leader, for BOTH parts where you choose a leader.  Jack or Samara (must be loyal, normally I go with Samara myself) for the Biotic Specialist.  Send Mordin to guard the crew (again, gotta be loyal).  For holding the line, think a little: who would be best left to guard, who can take the most punishment?  Grunt, he's a Krogan.  Zaeed's a battle-hardened warrior, and Garrus is pretty much the Turian version of Shepard, he can take a beating.  Make sure they're loyal, and you should be 100% fine, no matter who else is loyal or not.  Oh yeah, upgrading the ship helps, but that part's kinda obvious at this point...

Modifié par spartacusthegod, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[Pygmalin]

Who is Zaeed? Sorry I haven't recruited him/her ever, is this another DLC? I have Kasami.
I have the ship upgraded 100% and all of the Rare weapons. Ok, Now that you all mention it I have been going about the ending wrong.

I have 100% Loyalty even if I agreed with their choice or not, made sure I had high enough Paragon/Renegade for fights. The hardest one for me to get loyal was Thane, but in the end and 100 tries I got him. So Zaeed is he worth investing in? I liked Kasami, but I don't like the fact that she is an Oxymoron thief. Ha, but thats a personal issue not a game play issue.

I thought for sure I had it right the last time, The first time, I thought it was because I was mean to Mordin when he "hit" on Shepard, And then Tali called me a Borsh-et which I could only imagine means something very bad... hehe.

[Moro200]

Bah I'm gutted! I managed to save everyone else, and after completing the suicide mission, I realise that Mordin isn't on the Normandy. When did he die? Was it because he was made to hold the line?

[spartacusthegod]

@Pygmalin: Yeah... having a high Paragon or Renegade score is incredibly useful, and needed if you want Tali's loyalty. Zaeed is another DLC character, if you don't have him, you absolutely need to have Garrus and Grunt loyal and holding the line.

Thane, you need to either have a high Paragon score beforehand, OR you need to be willing to get some renegade points and smack around that one guy, Elias Kelham, with the Interrupts. The third Renegade interrupt, Shepard says something like "Alright, I've had enough of this bull****, tell me now or I'll cut your balls off and sell them to a krogan!" He breaks then and tells you who he sent Kolyat (Thane's son) after.

Grunt, it's literally impossible to fail his loyalty quest. There really is no way whatsoever that I know of to do Grunt's loyalty quest and NOT end up with him being loyal. Garrus, so long as you let him kill Sidonis, again, no way you lose his loyalty there. Mordin, it helps a lot to do the Paragon interrupt when you finally meet Maelon I think, but I don't know how you can fail his loyalty quest.

Best way to save Mordin is to send him to guard the crew. It doesn't matter who you send with the crew at all, if they are loyal, they survive, if they are not loyal, the crew survives but the squadmate does not.

And, one of the best ways to have your squadmates' loyalty is kinda common sense: being nice to them and listening to them helps. On Tali's loyalty quest, she asks you not to use the evidence found, because it would incriminate her father and ruin his name. If you don't listen to her, and you use the evidence, well, it makes sense that she wouldn't be loyal to her. She won't listen to you if you won't listen to her.

Garrus or Miranda are always the best choices to send as the team leader. Tech specialist, either Tali or Legion, and make sure you don't miss one of the valves as you're fighting through that part...

Samara/Morinth or Jack is the best choice for Biotic Specialist. If you choose ANYONE else, or if the specialist isn't loyal, you lose one of the two people in your squad, BUT you don't lose the specialist.

To hold the line, make sure Garrus stay behind, ALWAYS. Bringing the weaker squadmates (like Kasumi or Miranda, for example) helps, and so long as your team with you is loyal they survive as well.

I don't know how else to explain it, really. If you have any questions PM me, I don't mind helping out.

[d1sciple]

Moro200 wrote...

Bah I'm gutted! I managed to save everyone else, and after completing the suicide mission, I realise that Mordin isn't on the Normandy. When did he die? Was it because he was made to hold the line?

yeah poor old mordin is out there still holding the line, still waiting for you to hit on him again aha ha ha. seriously that was the funniest game moment ever, i neraly pissed my pants.

[Pygmalin]

^^LOL
@Spartacusthegod: Thank you very much that is very helpful, In the two play throughs I did manage to make everyone Loyal, Like I said before Thane was the hardest for me, mainly because I kept loosing his lead, and there was no way to pause, but thank goodness for You Tube, or I would still be at it. HA. BUT, the way you put it it does make sense. I am going to try it that way. Also you don't loose loyalty if you reject the advances right? Some how I now have Thane "interested" oops. But I want to find out the Kaiden thing in ME3, BUT I don't want to inadvertently kill Thane by the rejection. ANYWAYS, after reading about Zaeed, I downloaded him, he was free, go figure, never saw that before, I have yet to play his quest but he is an interesting one.

[spartacusthegod]

Zaeed is quite useful. He's the only person besides Shepard as a soldier that has Disruptor Ammo (the one that deals extra damage to shields and synthetics), and his loyalty ability is Inferno Grenade. It's very nice, if you can get good with it yourself, it can be even more devastating if you have two of them hitting the same target. 

With Zaeed's loyalty quest though, there is a bit of a complication. It IS quite possible to lose his loyalty, and I've done it before by mistake.

*SPOILERS ABOUT ZAEED'S LOYALTY QUEST FOLLOW*
just an FYI, in case you didn't want to know.

For his loyalty quest, the Blue Suns have taken over this one factory. Your job is to fight off the Suns and free the people in the factory. Turns out, Vido Santiago, the leader of the Suns, is there. He and Zaeed were the original creators of the Blue Suns, and Vido made the men turn on Zaeed and he shot him, left him for dead. Zaeed goes a bit rage-crazy, explosions and fire ensue, and then you have a choice: go after Vido, or risk losing Zaeed's loyalty and stop the fire first.  As you might think, going after Vido gets you a fair amount of Renegade points, saving the people gets you Paragon (also, if you decide to go straight for Vido, you hear the factory workers screaming occasionally through the walls... kinda disturbing). If you go to save the people and put out the fires, Vido gets away. If you don't, Vido gets killed and Zaeed is loyal right then and there. If Vido gets away, however, your Paragon/Renegade score needs to be up far enough to be able to influence Zaeed, otherwise you lose Zaeed's loyalty and there's no way to change that.
*END OF LOYALTY SPOILERS*


Back on the topic of romances and such, no, if someone on your squad starts sounding like they're interested in romance, denying it won't lose their loyalty. I don't believe so, at least. For example, one playthrough I was trying to romance Tali, but Miranda started hitting on me. Turning her down didn't cost me her loyalty, I doubt that turning anyone else down would lose theirs as well.

Modifié par spartacusthegod, 04 septembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[d1sciple]

you can't lose loyalty through relationships, NOT possible. the ONLY way to gain loyalty is through their missions, after that there's no way to lose it. as for Zaeed i just found him disposable, his mid mission chats were good for the codex but between him and Garrus it's a fools choice. i would've recommended against spoiling that one as it's one of the hardest decisions in the game and the results are instant and disturbing either way, but this whole forum is open so no one should have to be warned about spoilers.

[spartacusthegod]

d1sciple wrote...

you can't lose loyalty through relationships, NOT possible. the ONLY way to gain loyalty is through their missions, after that there's no way to lose it. as for Zaeed i just found him disposable, his mid mission chats were good for the codex but between him and Garrus it's a fools choice. i would've recommended against spoiling that one as it's one of the hardest decisions in the game and the results are instant and disturbing either way, but this whole forum is open so no one should have to be warned about spoilers.

I know spoilers are allowed, but I figured just in case nobody wants to know about the quest beforehand I should give them a head's up (since the title of the forum says spoilers only about Tali and Mordin).

Zaeed is much more than just disposable.  He's an incredibly useful squadmate, especially in the Blue Suns and Geth missions.  He's the ONLY other character besides the Soldier class for Shepard that has Disruptor ammo.  Upgrade him to Heavy Disruptor ammo and Shepard as well, and the two of them will rip through shields, you don't need a squadmate with Overload to deal with them.  Actually, Zaeed and Thane is a very good squad.  Warp takes down Barrier and Armor, Zaeed's Disruptor ammo takes down shields easily, and Concussive Shot is good for Barrier as well.

And, Zaeed being loyal, along with Grunt and Garrus being loyal to hold the line with at least one more loyal person there, nobody will be killed while holding the line (assuming you sent one person to guard the crew, and nobody else had been lost so far on the suicide mission up to that point).  That means if you want to, fewer loyalty quests need to be done.  Renegade Shepard can lose the loyalty of his teammates easier than Paragon Shepard can (so I've been told, in some cases), and Garrus and Zaeed have VERY easy and straightforward loyalty quests, no extra paragon/renegade points needed to charm or intimidate them, if you go Renegade.  Also, Grunt's loyalty quest it's impossible to fail.  

What that ultimately boils down to, it means that Zaeed, Garrus, and Grunt you can gain the loyalty of with ease, so long as you don't mind some extra renegade points.  You can do those, one for Samara or Jack, and one for Tali or Legion, and one other person (two, if you care about saving the crew without losing anyone), and you can do the Suicide Mission without losing a single person.  You only have to do the loyalty quests for about half your team.

Pardon the wall of text, it seems to be a very bad habit of mine.  Zaeed is VERY far from disposable, especially when you take his evolved passive to 50% bonus weapon damage into consideration.  I honestly think he's one of the best squadmates you can have.  Combine him and Miranda, and you have an amazing team, no matter what you're facing.

  Pretty useful now, isn't he?

[d1sciple]

spartacusthegod wrote...

I know spoilers are allowed, but I figured just in case nobody wants to know about the quest beforehand I should give them a head's up (since the title of the forum says spoilers only about Tali and Mordin).

  Pretty useful now, isn't he?

no worries, the whole forum comes with a spoiler alert, i can't handle it when someone gives you **** about a spoiler, it's like where do you think you are lol? but yeah still not feeling zaeed. any of the blue suns missions are cool cos he's knows them all and there's some cool dialogue going on there, but i've never felt disrupter was that useful, much preferred inferno ammo and the geth or collector rifle for stripping shields off. actually after getting the revenant i went back to the geth/collector rifles, that thing has zero accuracy and the high rate wasn't enough for me. grunt is my homeboy, i don't even leave my quarters without him, that boy lives for his battlemaster. as for everyone else i just figure miranda is out to keep her investment alive, garrus worships you, tali loves you, samara treats you like her god, legion wants to be you and the rest have reasons to be there that don't include you so are pretty much expendable in my eyes. ruthless but i'm here to save the galaxy lol, not to ensure mercs get paid, psychos get closure, soldiers get revenge, scientist clear their conscience or thieves reconnect with their dead lovers etc

[spartacusthegod]

True, and I understand that. Zaeed might be a merc and a gun for hire, but he's already been paid, may as well use him.

The Revenant is amazing though if you're behind cover and you have the assault rifle accuracy upgrade (which is totally worth it). Inferno Ammo on that thing, with Zaeed using Heavy Disruptor, and Grunt using Inferno Ammo as well, you can rip down anything. All 3 of you would have Concussive Shot as well, which does extra damage to barriers. Skip the bonus powers for Grunt and Zaeed, and with the Shadow Broker base put their extra skill point towards maxing out the other 3 abilities.

Actually, Grunt and Zaeed with everything but their loyalty power maxed out is a very good team, even more so if you're using a Soldier or Vanguard for extra Inferno ammo.

[MidnightMare]

Technically, There is a Guide on how to keep your squad alive. It's in GameInformer Issue # 206, pages 18-19. I think I Should Make sure that I save Before/while I'm in the Collector base. So, if anyone dies, I can load my last save. ALSO: I was surprised when Mordin didn't die, even though he wasn't in my squad during the Final Battle.

Modifié par MidnightMare, 06 septembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[spartacusthegod]

Yeah, he is one of the most fragile though.

If you do the math out (I'm almost positive I did it right) based off the data here... http://social.biowar...index/5855452/1

It tells you essentially that only Garrus, Zaeed, and Grunt need to be loyal, along with one other random person, and everybody can survive holding the line. If you want absolutely everyone to survive (crew included) you only need 7 people loyal, but 5 specific people in particular out of those 7 need to be certain squadmates (i.e. Tali for tech specialist and Samara for biotic, or something like that).

[Pygmalin]

Ok, so I am loyal with all, and about to head to final mission. Still loyal with Thane though turned him down HA. oh well. Any ways I will be doing the end game mission later today.
So Tali down the shaft
Garrus or Zaeed as the leader
Tali and ? with me
Mordin for hostages
Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt holding the line? Tali and ? with me.

Tali is so weak, I hate to think that is the only way she would survive.

[spartacusthegod]

NEVER have Zaeed as leader. If Garrus is loyal, always choose him.

Mordin (loyal) to go with the crew

Tali down the shaft (or Legion, he works just fine too)

Samara/Morinth (whoever you have) or Jack for Biotic specialist.

The three big guys holding the line, bring whoever else with you for the final part with the reaper. I recommend bringing Miranda, because I've heard rumors that if you don't then she ends up being against you in ME3, instead of on your side.

Tali will survive holding the line if she's loyal, don't worry. If everyone's loyal, they will all survive (just don't make Zaeed leader, if he's leader for the first part the tech specialist dies, if he's leader for the second part HE dies. Garrus will always work perfectly fine for the leader.)

[Pygmalin]

I HAD THEM ALL alive YAY. BUT, I killed half the human staff by not going to the end sooner, Poor Chambers. Thank you all so much, you helped greatly. Tali was holding the line before and died so I took her and Thane with me.
Garrus was leader. Tali down the vent, Mordin on escort duty. Jack as my biotic protector. The last battle was a bit more difficult that normal, but they all lived. I did decide to do one more, I will bring Miranda just to see the difference. This time I choose Kadian as dead poor guy, just for something different in ME3. Jacob Romance, just to be different, though he bugs me. (first time I did the comic thing)

[Mike 9987]

leader: miri, jacob, or garrus
vents: kassumi, tali, legion
leader 2: miri, jacob, garrus
biotic: jack, samara/morinth
crew escort: anybody who is loyal (preferably mordin)
hold the line: make sure garus, grunt, and zaheed are holding the line and you are good

Modifié par Mike 9987, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[spartacusthegod]

Glad we could help out Pygmalin!

Bringing Miranda DOES change the final conversation a fair amount at the end. You might be surprised, considering her loyalty to the Illusive Man.

And, Mike, we already covered that. I ran the numbers: Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, and one other person at the line and all loyal, not a single person will fall while staying behind, not just Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed. One more person is needed loyal if you want to make absolutely sure nobody drops.

Modifié par spartacusthegod, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:30 .