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[Pygmalin]

Oooh, ok now I have to see the end with Miranda, See I thought her loyalty with The Illusive man would have caused me to have to kill her. I am not one to look up cheats often, so I avoided it. BUT if it does change her view then I want to see it. Yes You all helped me out a great deal, now I just need to keep the staff alive. Ha. Chakwas yelled at me for not getting there in time, I had to laugh a bit. OOPS. All because I wanted to see the Quarians reaction to Legion.

[spartacusthegod]

It's alright, not all that big a deal. If the Engineers made it out okay and you only really lost Kelly, don't feel too bad, you only lost the fairly annoying one and saved the two best NPCs on the ship.

Try bringing Legion to the Citadel too. There's some interesting dialogue there, especially if you talk to the security guard before you open the first door (behind a desk/counter to the left of that door).


*SPOILERS ABOUT WHAT MIRANDA SAYS/DOES*
Bringing Miranda changes it, I believe, only if you decide to destroy the base, not save it and help Cerberus. I'm not sure what happens if you save it, but if you destroy it, TIM turns to her and says "Miranda, stop him! Do not let him destroy this base!" She doesn't say anything back and he says "Miranda, I gave you an order." She responds with "I know. Consider this my resignation." and then hangs up when he turns to keep yelling at Shepard.
*END SPOILERS*


Just putting the spoilers part up in case Pygmalin here wants to find out on her own.

Modifié par spartacusthegod, 09 septembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

d1sciple wrote...

no one but jack is powerful enough 

Not true.  Samara/Morinth does it just fine also.  The only person you are able to use that fails is Miranda.  IF you used Samara/Morinth and someone was lost, it was some other factor because many times I've used Samara/Morinth and nobody died.

[spartacusthegod]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

d1sciple wrote...

no one but jack is powerful enough 

Not true.  Samara/Morinth does it just fine also.  The only person you are able to use that fails is Miranda.  IF you used Samara/Morinth and someone was lost, it was some other factor because many times I've used Samara/Morinth and nobody died.

Not quite true either.  You can choose to use Miranda, Thane, or Jacob as well, since they are all biotics, but only Jack and Samara/Morinth will be sure to keep everyone alive.

Using the Asari or Jack, while loyal, will make sure everyone stays alive for the Long Walk.  Any other biotic, loyal or not, and you lose someone.  The barrier drops too early, and one of your squadmates gets taken by the swarm.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

spartacusthegod wrote...

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

d1sciple wrote...

no one but jack is powerful enough 

Not true.  Samara/Morinth does it just fine also.  The only person you are able to use that fails is Miranda.  IF you used Samara/Morinth and someone was lost, it was some other factor because many times I've used Samara/Morinth and nobody died.

Not quite true either.  You can choose to use Miranda, Thane, or Jacob as well, since they are all biotics, but only Jack and Samara/Morinth will be sure to keep everyone alive.

Using the Asari or Jack, while loyal, will make sure everyone stays alive for the Long Walk.  Any other biotic, loyal or not, and you lose someone.  The barrier drops too early, and one of your squadmates gets taken by the swarm.

Ah sorry LOL forgot Thane and Jacob were biotics... Don't much like Jacob because the stupid "I LOVES YOU AND YOU CANT SAY NO TO ME" crap with Romances in the game screwed up one of my relationships by putting me into an unwanted relationship with him... have hated him ever since.  Really hate how a Commander can't be interesed in his/her crew without wanting to jump in bed with them... At least DA2 did it somewhat better with the heart symbols on the romance lines, but even then there was a point with Anders where you had to be a jerk and say "Dude, I don't love you, **** off!"

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 10 septembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[Pygmalin]

Thank you Spartacus for the consideration, I appreciate that. I didn't read it BTW,

@AbsolutGrndzer0 I so agree, however them listening to Critics just did not do DA2 or ME2 justice at all. They fixed the Romance portion that just wasn't broken. Anders and his I love you the second he sees you is just so hokey. At least ME1 and DA1 there was a build up. I in fact love the game options its interesting how Bioware does this, Really is there any other games out there with the "romance" options? I have no idea. BUT Bioware needs to stop listening to Prudish people and make it how they want it. It wasn't broke don't fix it. IMO. If you need to raise the rating, people will still buy. To be honest I am more apt to buy a game with the MA, rating then a E rating ya know, I am just a mom that is not scared to tell my kids NO.

The Romance options in ME2 makes it Very easy to stick with your ME1 choice. Though I have a soft spot for Thane, HA, Fenris, see the Broken men pattern. Ha ha.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Pygmalin wrote...

Thank you Spartacus for the consideration, I appreciate that. I didn't read it BTW,

@AbsolutGrndzer0 I so agree, however them listening to Critics just did not do DA2 or ME2 justice at all. They fixed the Romance portion that just wasn't broken. Anders and his I love you the second he sees you is just so hokey. At least ME1 and DA1 there was a build up. I in fact love the game options its interesting how Bioware does this, Really is there any other games out there with the "romance" options? I have no idea. BUT Bioware needs to stop listening to Prudish people and make it how they want it. It wasn't broke don't fix it. IMO. If you need to raise the rating, people will still buy. To be honest I am more apt to buy a game with the MA, rating then a E rating ya know, I am just a mom that is not scared to tell my kids NO.

The Romance options in ME2 makes it Very easy to stick with your ME1 choice. Though I have a soft spot for Thane, HA, Fenris, see the Broken men pattern. Ha ha.

Hmm maybe it's just Jacob then, but showing interest in Jacob means you love him if you are female.

[spartacusthegod]

No problem, I understand this is a spoilers forum section, but some people just don't want to have certain parts spoiled, I get that lol.

The romances in ME1 I agree about, they were much more involved conversation-wise and the romance segment itself was actually something, not a ten-second clip of them about ready to get freaky. It wasn't broken at all, it was perfectly fine, and in the game description it WAS rated M for partial nudity. They never technically showed anything, you see that sort of thing on TV all the time on certain shows. It's supposed to be for people over 17 anyways, so many people freak out over children playing these games and seeing these things, but they don't realize that children shouldn't be playing the game in the first place! People are ridiculous about these things nowadays.

Modifié par spartacusthegod, 11 septembre 2011 - 05:14 .

[d1sciple]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

d1sciple wrote...

no one but jack is powerful enough 

Not true.  Samara/Morinth does it just fine also.  The only person you are able to use that fails is Miranda.  IF you used Samara/Morinth and someone was lost, it was some other factor because many times I've used Samara/Morinth and nobody died.

i was only speaking from my sheps point of view, which is how i've aproached everything in both games.
as i said ealier to the op i never read any walkthroughs or studied anything about the suicide mish or even the gameplay, i go by how my charcter would feel and to him only jack is powerful enough so to me there is only one choice, no matter what the science says.
there are also 2 choices. apparently. for the engineer but there isn't actually, not to any shep i've run through, none of them would trust something like that to legion. the whole wearing sheps armour thing is creepy and though he accepts legion he doesn't fully trust him, so again if someone asked my answer would be there is actually only one choice.
that's all just my game and how i run through it but then that's what we're all sharing here as there's a huge 'official' thread mapping this out, but we're not there we're here talking about our experiances, not just the basic science.
and also yeah as someone else said miranda is right in that any biotic can do it, but not in my eyes.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

d1sciple wrote...


i was only speaking from my sheps point of view, which is how i've aproached everything in both games.
as i said ealier to the op i never read any walkthroughs or studied anything about the suicide mish or even the gameplay, i go by how my charcter would feel and to him only jack is powerful enough so to me there is only one choice, no matter what the science says.
there are also 2 choices. apparently. for the engineer but there isn't actually, not to any shep i've run through, none of them would trust something like that to legion. the whole wearing sheps armour thing is creepy and though he accepts legion he doesn't fully trust him, so again if someone asked my answer would be there is actually only one choice.
that's all just my game and how i run through it but then that's what we're all sharing here as there's a huge 'official' thread mapping this out, but we're not there we're here talking about our experiances, not just the basic science.
and also yeah as someone else said miranda is right in that any biotic can do it, but not in my eyes.

Ok, while I understand that roleplay way of looking at it (and respect it, I think modern "RPGs" are in a lot of ways killing true roleplay but you sound more old school way of thinking), you should say "As far as I am concerened, the only sound choice is Jack." or something to that effect.  Since, as you said it, it more implies that Samara/Morinth will get people killed, and they won't because you dont in any way tell us it's your roleplay opinion.  Tali or Legion or even Kasumi can do the engineer part.  This is a game mechanic, it's a fact.  Now, if you as a player don't trust Legion or Kasumi, that's fine but that doesn't change the facts that Tali and Jack aren't the only valid choices for a good result.

[d1sciple]

yeah fair nuff, i just figured the pure mechanics were already spelled out in detail in a complete thread so i was more keen to put a hardened old school opinion forward over the game mechanics lol.

oh and op there are a few other games with 'romance' in them but the greatest i've come across so far is the og witcher. no moral dilemas, no loyalty questioning, just a bunch of flours or bottle of wine and a roll in the hay lol, awesome!

[spartacusthegod]

Speaking from your Shep's point of view doesn't always work out, especially since he/she isn't the person on the forums, it's you.  Heck, if I did that, at least four different opinions would be flying about in multiple posts from me alone.  And that's only counting my favorites, Spartacus, Kate, Hunter, and Jacen.  That doesn't include Mordecai, Darth, Alexander, or Sarah.  Or the ones I thought up but never played out, who each had their own personality.

Does anyone have only one Shepard and stick with that one and only character, with only that one personality and playstyle?

[d1sciple]

i'd assume people have their own default canon, most people have said as much. a few play arounds and experiments but one 'real' one. as for perspective like i said, there is another 'official' thread on the exact mechanics of this one mission so why answer the op with anything but 'look there'? so we can explore our own findings and experiences with it and in this case i'm talking from my default sheps point of view, no harm there i would of thought, i tried to make it plainly clear by spelling out my movements before the suicide mission so establishing it as my view from my sheps perspective. now all the fun's gone, nice.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

d1sciple wrote...

i'd assume people have their own default canon, most people have said as much. a few play arounds and experiments but one 'real' one. as for perspective like i said, there is another 'official' thread on the exact mechanics of this one mission so why answer the op with anything but 'look there'? so we can explore our own findings and experiences with it and in this case i'm talking from my default sheps point of view, no harm there i would of thought, i tried to make it plainly clear by spelling out my movements before the suicide mission so establishing it as my view from my sheps perspective. now all the fun's gone, nice.

Yeah, I have one Paragon (Fem Spacer War Hero) and one Renegade (Male  Earthborn Ruthless) which are pretty much it for now, at least until I beat ME3 and decide to go back and play them all over again haha.

[spartacusthegod]

d1sciple wrote...

i'd assume people have their own default canon, most people have said as much. a few play arounds and experiments but one 'real' one. as for perspective like i said, there is another 'official' thread on the exact mechanics of this one mission so why answer the op with anything but 'look there'? so we can explore our own findings and experiences with it and in this case i'm talking from my default sheps point of view, no harm there i would of thought, i tried to make it plainly clear by spelling out my movements before the suicide mission so establishing it as my view from my sheps perspective. now all the fun's gone, nice.

Dude.  Chill.  I simply meant that talking from the point of view of your Shepard WITHOUT STATING SO can lead people to incorrect conclusions, it doesn't work out too well.  Forgive me for leaving that out.

Also, please, don't get all sarcastic and pissy at me.  We don't need that here.

And, sure, everyone can just link the suicide mission guide.  But just following a guide isn't always useful.  Having a discussion with people about it is just as useful as using the guide, sometimes even more so.  Like you said, we get to share our own personal experiences and such.  Like I just said though, unless you say that you're speaking from your shep's point of view, people will go and correct you and will lead others to incorrect conclusions and they'll change the way you play.  "no one but jack is powerful enough" is something you said.  Never did you explain that it was your personal opinion, or your Shep's opinion.  Personal opinion in discussion is fine, just use common sense and let everyone know it's just that, your opinion.

My main Shep, honestly, is the opposite of yours it seems about Jack.  He hates her, thinks she's entirely insane and a risk to have on board, and that's why he makes sure she's the only one that dies.  She's expendable to him.

[capn233]

Eh, I can sort of see where d1sciple is coming from. I basically only chose Samara for that part since she has been a Justicar longer than the combined lives of the other biotics. She is powerful by Asari standards, which is already higher than human biotic standards.

Regarding the tech specialist, I think all the right choices are trustworthy and have used them all. But if I don't use Legion it isn't because I don't trust him, rather it is because I would rather have him and his Widow in my squad.

Squad leader is where I have the most narrow view. Garrus is the best choice in my opinion. While Miranda is a decent leader, you wonder how many people would actually want to follow her, even though only 1 speaks up. She works as well as Garrus in the game though.

Modifié par capn233, 14 septembre 2011 - 12:26 .

[spartacusthegod]

I'm with Cap on this. Every serious playthrough where I've wanted everyone to survive, Samara has been my biotic specialist. Garrus is always my second team leader as well, every single character trusts him and likes him, and knows they can count on him. EVERY Shepard. I'm a bit biased towards Garrus anyways, he's one of my all-time favorite characters. Only one that ties with him is Wrex.

For the techie, I always end up going with Tali or Legion. Tali makes perfect sense because she's the best engineer around, better than anybody else on the Normandy. Legion also makes sense. He is THE most advanced geth in existence, and even normal geth can hack into almost anything with no effort whatsoever. Those two make the most sense to me, and either works for a choice. Miranda and Thane usually come with me against the Collectors. Double Warp for the win. Collectors always only have Armor and Barrier for protection, and those are both vulnerable to Warp.