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[FubarCFSnafu]

Now that they have announced DA 3, does anyone trust them if they are using the same team that developed DA 2? I am still waiting for all the promised DLC (other than what was released) and of course the awesome button.

(I know that is getting old, but when you say something like that, feedback is bound to come).

I just feel wary about dropping another 60 dollars for a game that came out the way it did.

[Stanley Woo]

Off-topic discussion removed.

[John Epler]

I'm going to remind everyone that suggesting, whether directly or indirectly, that certain people or groups of people should be fired is not something we consider acceptable on these forums. Keep it off that tangent and this thread will remain happily unlocked.

Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

I think FaWa's reasoning is sound. It's just a different way of looking at the developer/customer relationship. While many people really want to think that BioWare's lovingly crafting personalized games for each and every individual and handing them their copy of the game in exchange for the customers' hard-earned money, in reality this isn't the case.

While we love you guys and all of our fans, we (BioWare EA) as a business cannot afford to "address" our games to any individual over another. We make our games for a particular market, an average generalization of what we think our target audience wants. We also try to do things slightly differently each time so our products are new and exciting (we hope) and so we're set up for future products. This is not thumbing our nose at people who disagree with us, or "abandoning our fans," but the very nature of big business. The bigger and more popular a game/franchise/company is, the less it can "personalize" its product.

To counteract this lack of "personalization," we developers come into the community to chat with y'all. We have fun with you guys, we explain parts of upcoming games, we try and persuade folks to get excited about new features or awesome characters, and we generally want y'all to care about the product as much as we do. That way, if we do something like, say, change the art direction or change the format of a game or introduce a very different protagonist, y'all don't take it personally and think we want to come down and kick your puppies. We merely disagree, and that's not personal.

[Stanley Woo]

Imrahil_ wrote...

I'm not getting your point.  Like, at all.  I think that's the wrong approach to take.  If I'm hearing you right, you're saying that because they gave us a good game in Origins, they don't have to give us any more good games?  Or, any more amazing games?

Actually, no, we don't. If BioWare, for whatever reason, decided to shut down the Dragon Age franchise--or, heavens forbid, shut down as a company--there's nothing you could do to stop it and BioWare would be well within its rights to do so. There is no contract between you and the company that obligates BioWare to produce anything.

Yeah, it would totally suck, but BioWare owes you nothing in that context.

On the one hand, I agree with you - it's totally their right to put out games that we won't buy.  They can follow their blighted vision & ignore what the fans want, sure.  That's their right.  But on the other hand, I don't agree that we should just sit back & take it.  We can, certainly, just sit back & not buy their games, but isn't that a Lose-Lose? 

No, it's just the nature of the developer/customer relationship. We make games, then you decide, based on research, reviews, announced features, even the flip of coin, whether or not to pick it up. Deciding not to buy the game is hardle "sitting back and taking it." In fact, it's quite the opposite.  By not purchasing the game, you are making a definite decision to not support that product. It's not just your right as a consumer/fan to vote with your wallet. I would say it's your duty as a responsible consumer to vote with your wallet.

Isn't it better to tell them what we won't buy?  To sit back & passively watch them fail seems to me to be hurting us, the gamers.  It does no good to hurt them as well, out of spite.

There's no way you can magically change a product into something you will like for sure, since you won't know whether you will like a game until you play it or watch enough gameplay videos or play the demo or whatever. By that time, it is too late to change anything. So no, you're not hurting anything by speaking your mind and offering suggestions, ideas and feedback. On the other hand, you're also not hurting anything by remaining silent and seeing how it goes. While we prefer you guys talking about the game, like it or no, we cannot force you to do so.

"Telling us what you won't buy" is all well and good, but you speak only for yourself, not for others and certainly not for the entirety of our target audience. Bear that in mind.

[Stanley Woo]

Some off-topic conversation removed.

[John Epler]

Gunderic wrote...

No, no I haven't. They admitted to wanting to appeal to the CoD crowd. And they sure as heck didn't go for the Dragon Age: Origins crowd as their target audience with DA2. So maybe they want to appeal to action-adventure fans too, but not Origins fans. What I quoted only supports my conclusions.

In fact, what the quoted says is that there are aspects of our games as they exist already that might appeal to the 'CoD crowd', as it were. You can certainly draw your own conclusions from what I posted, but as the person who posted it - I can speak to what was meant by it. And what was meant is exactly what I just said.

[David Gaider]

batlin wrote...
Todd Howard needs to kidnap David Gaider and acquire the rights to the Dragon Age franchise by challenging BioWare to a hockey game with the game rights and Gaider's freedom on the line. Then, Bethesda should get to work on Dragon Age 3 with Gaider writing for it soon after Skyrim is released.

I object to the idea of anyone kidnapping me.

Hmm. Unless the unmarked van is also full of a pile of money. Then, I... wait, no. I take it back. Kidnapping bad. Stop confusing me.

[John Epler]

Guess what.

Referring to people who enjoyed a game that you didn't as 'drooling, down syndrome victims' is not acceptable discourse on these forums. If you want to spew that kind of vitriol, please, start a blog. But keep it off this site.

[John Epler]

And I think we're pretty much done with this thread. Thanks to those who kept it civil, and to the minority that didn't - well, what can I say, really?