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[Persephone]

casadechrisso wrote...

Persephone wrote...

And if you thought the demo was horrible...why....er...never mind. It's just...if I consider a game's demo horrible, I'll not buy that game. Bioware & DA or not. But that's just me.

And prices are not the same at every Media Markt or Saturn either. Know that from first hand experience.

That was my first plan. I promised I'd never touch it, but what can I say... others saying it's not that bad, I'm a mild person who gets over hate, boredom, too much money in my purse that particular day... Now I know I should've waited for the €15 mark, that's what the game's worth to me.

:lol:

Well, at least it's not the 50 Euros I (happily) spent on the game. I bought Eschalon: Book I for 15 bucks, that game is worth more than that IMHO, it's an amazing old school RPG.

[jbrand2002uk]

I dont really mind which way DA3 goes whether its a DA2/DAO hybrid or whatever Its a DA game so i'll give it a fair shake. But wouldn't it be really great if your character could walk up to 1 of your companions or a NPC and in a helium voice just say " PINK MONKEYBOTTOM FLAPPING IN THE WIND" then i would buy it without a single doubt

[jbrand2002uk]

Although i dont know the situation in the US and I have only a passive knowledge of the way things in the EU are at least the way things go in England tend to be that if a game shop like GAME ltd gets new titles like Deus Ex HR then older titles like DA2 regardless of sales success are usually reduced in price or put on special offers etc to make room for stock of the new release if they expect to sell large quantities of it

[ISpeakTheTruth]

It depends if they are willing to admit that DA2 was the wrong direction to go with the series than I might have faith in them to do a good job.

It was such a sad time for me that both DA2 and Fable 3 both ended up being this horribly simplistic games.

[veramis]

The dialogue you can get in Lothering with the greedy merchant has more options than the entire DA2 game.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

veramis wrote...

The dialogue you can get in Lothering with the greedy merchant has more options than the entire DA2 game.

This made me laugh.

+10 approval

[jbrand2002uk]

veramis wrote...

The dialogue you can get in Lothering with the greedy merchant has more options than the entire DA2 game.

Shame you could walk up to him and say in a helium voice
                    "Pink Monkeybottom Faaalapping In The Wind":D

if you could have My DAO disc would not have been laminated and turned into a Soda coaster/Beermat combo 

[Persephone]

veramis wrote...

The dialogue you can get in Lothering with the greedy merchant has more options than the entire DA2 game.

Yeah, no. Never mind that that was one of the most boring dialogues ever.

[Cutlass Jack]

veramis wrote...

The dialogue you can get in Lothering with the greedy merchant has more options than the entire DA2 game.

Sorry no. But that scene did have one thing over DA2. Being able to pickpocket him for that great crossbow. Both for the pickpocketing part and the usable crossbow part.

Edit: I guess that's two things.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 04 septembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[jbrand2002uk]

simfamSP wrote...

Yes... yes I do... Fully. I think they have the motivation, they have the knowledge and they have the will to do it.

But do I trust EA in giving them enough time to develop it? That's the question I think. Bioware are capable of amazing things. But like every great thing, it needs time to grow.

True enough, but lets assume the current claims that its likely DA2's art direction and its engine which was to all intensive purposes the same engine that was used in DAO and also most of the DA universe and lore established in DAO, and extended or retconned in the books and DA2  with the exception of the story, setting and fleshing out the characters if all new ones are to be introduced with only cameo's for existing characters. then pretty much almost all of the hard work is allready done save for tweeks here and there so a 3 to 4 year dev cycle as was done with Origins isnt really required to make a quality game they could likely do it in half the time if more than 1 studio works on the game and EA dont interfere, And going on Bioware's record i would trust them anyway but on their record and the reputation built on it i dont really see trust as an issue.

Because if EA is what many people are saying it is then really shouldnt the Question be Does Anyone trust EA to keep their mitts off the franchise and let Bioware do what the do best ?

[Vicious]

Yeah, because they craft better stories and games than the people who whine and moan about them do.

[jbrand2002uk]

its funny despite all the cool headed constructive comments i make in threads like this elsewhere people think the odd humourous comment make's me a troller lol ,

but yeah with you on that 100% Vicious

[jbrand2002uk]

@simfamSP Thank you i was thinking of another thread where despite a perfectly puncuated post an american girl decided to give me a lecture on speaking and spelling english of all things and my reply went along the lines of

Get down off of your high cheeseburger, retreat to the church, seek solice in the bible and assume the position sister. i have a feeling i'll regret it later

[Fireblader70]

I trust Bioware, because I understand why DA2 failed.

Ambition. Dragon Age 2, if you watch the early videos about the making of the game, was a project that aimed to do so much in so little time that, ultimately, it couldn't be done. With all the focus on combat, art style and a different narrative structure, they missed out on the other aspects such as location variety. Even the actual story came up short.

With DA3, they already have the combat and art style they were aiming for. So that means they have the time and resources to create more locations and a story that isn't rushed... hopefully.

So yes, I trust them. I think DA3 will come along with an epic bang.

[Gunderic]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

veramis wrote...

The dialogue you can get in Lothering with the greedy merchant has more options than the entire DA2 game.

Sorry no. But that scene did have one thing over DA2. Being able to pickpocket him for that great crossbow. Both for the pickpocketing part and the usable crossbow part.

Edit: I guess that's two things.

And that's already two things you mentioned that were streamlined out of DA2: pickpocketing and equippable crossbows.

[Lestatman]

Does Anyone Trust Bioware to Create a DAIII? Not sure if I trust them but they do deserve at least another attempt but if it's as bad as DA2 then that'll end my gaming with DA but the same goes for FF or any other game developer. I don't mind them making one game in a series that I don't like but 2 in a row signals the end for me.

[_- Songlian -]

Right now, no. But I will buy DA3 for sure and expect to be proven wrong. I know it can be done.

[jbrand2002uk]

I was mentioning in a reply to Simfams earlier even though i prefered DA2 over Origins though i'd still only give DA2 a 6/7 out 10 as it still felt it was missing something to me,

I think DA2 shows what can happen when a company like EA which has almost no experience in this genre gets involved resulting in a massive paradigm shift instead of gradual changes.
Given Bioware has done a pretty good job over the last 10 years shouldn't the question actually be Can we trust EA to step back and let Bioware do what they have done well for the best part of a decade and not interfere ?

[Clertar]

Of course I do! They created Thedas and everything we like about it, and made two awesome games with it.

PS-Somehow DA2 felt a little bit more like BG (I don't know how, or why xD), which me likes.

[Imrahil_]

Lilunebrium wrote...
Seriously? One of these threads again?

Seriously, one of these posts again?

I'm surprised this thread has lasted seven pages, what with the OP's main goal being to give yet another sneer in BioWare's direction and gathering a large enough audience to make his ego go 'F*ck yeah!".

I'm surprised this post is allowed to stand, given that it contributes nothing to the thread, & the main goal being to meta-comment on the thread, without addessing the substance of the thread, & appears to stroke the poster's ego in a way to go "F*ck no!"  (much like this post, to be honest, both should go, IMO)

Modifié par Imrahil_, 05 septembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

Imrahil_, not to end the parade or anything, but do you mind NOT pissing in everyone's mouth who likes DA2? Or tries to defend Bioware's decision? Jeez, I sound like a douche there. Sorry.

I've seen far worse games than DA2 get good scores. I view it as a testament to Bioware's skill that DA2 was a successful as it was, despite the development cycle.

[Imrahil_]

In Exile wrote...

Anomaly- wrote...
We're all aware that a development team consists of more than 1 person. However, pretty much every criticism of DA2 can be traced back to design decisions, or limited development cycle.  

The thing is, there are design decisions and then there are design decisions.

For example. Silent VO versus PC VO? Fanbase is split on that. Iconic armour? Fanbase is split on that. 

What no one is split about is:

1) Re-use areas.
2) Choices being irrelevant.
3) Plot being poorly connected, with nonsensical boss fights to boot.

You're right.  But they knew they had a limited deelopment cycle, & they chose to change the whole game.  Imagine you were given control of DA2 & an 18-24 month dev cycle.  Would you have chosen to change the whole game; do a 180?  Or would you have tweaked the current game & spent your time on new stories, companions, lore, conversations, & quests?

This is the part I cannot wrap my head around.  They were given a bare-bones dev cycle & chose to change the whole game rather than just tweak the current game & spend their limited time on a great story.

You've hit the nail on the head.  They spent time on radical changes to gameplay, stuff people are, at best, split about, which meant they had to do your 1, 2, & 3.  It makes no sense!

Which is why there's 10+ pages debating whether their customers can even trust them to make a good DA3, & why 80-90% of the topics on the first page of their forum is about things that sucked in their second installment (it's more like 98% on other forums), & why their attempts to throw a few Game 1 characteristics back into Game 3 are meeting with mixed reviews.

For all these reasons, I honestly don't trust the same people who made DA2 to make a satisfying DA3.

Modifié par Imrahil_, 05 septembre 2011 - 05:05 .

[Imrahil_]

soccerchick wrote...

Imrahil_, not to end the parade or anything, but do you mind NOT pissing in everyone's mouth who likes DA2? Or tries to defend Bioware's decision? Jeez, I sound like a douche there. Sorry.

I've seen far worse games than DA2 get good scores. I view it as a testament to Bioware's skill that DA2 was a successful as it was, despite the development cycle.

I'm not trying to.  I completely apologize if that's how it sounds.  What I'm trying to do is say what I don't like about DA2, & why I won't buy DA3 if it has the features from DA2 that I don't like.  I'm trying to convey my thoughts unapologetically, as a consumer who didn't buy their DA2 game.  I'm trying to say what will make me not buy a DA3 game.

That's it.

I'm not trying to insult people who liked DA2, but I have to say why I didn't like it, or else I'm going to get another game I don't like & won't buy.  I'm sorry if in doing so I'm insulting people who did like DA2.  Not my intenton at all & I apologze if I step over that line.  I'm just trying to say why I didn't like stuff & I'm trying to do it in a way that let's them know that tossing me a few DA:O bones won't get me back as a customer.  In short, I don't mean to insult other people, but I do, emphatically, mean to insult DA2.

Modifié par Imrahil_, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:36 .