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[Sir Edric]

I'm just hoping this game comes out somewhere arounf 2014-15

[LeBurns]

Does Anyone Trust Bioware to Create a DAIII?

I'm sure there is.  I don't.

[Drasill]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Mass Effect 3 than Dragon Age III. Dragon Age II wasn't as good as Origins, but it was still a pretty good game. Mass Effect 2 was a good game, but a terrible RPG.

[RPGrogue]

What I expect
DAO>DA3>DA2

[Kastagir]

If Bioware takes the time to do it right, and learns from the failures of DA2, then they could possibly have a successful title. If in spite of this it favors the same ridiculous fighting-game style combat over the more realistic and gritty combat of Origins, I won't be buying it. Since March 2010, Bioware has shown that it is not interested in supporting a game like Origins and they have failed their (Origins) fans at every turn since then. Whatever game DA3 turns out to be, those facts remain true and in my opinion, Bioware has a lot to make up for. DA3 could be the title to accomplish that. I wouldn't expect any acknowledgement of this from any Bioware or EA employee, of course.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I see DA2 as some kind of experiment at how much streamline I can tolerate in my RPGs. That means, they now know their plank, and will try to balance their next games to grab the best from new and old. Some people may think it's OK, but from my point of view, anything that is made to be liked by everyone will never reach that height and quality a more specialized thing would. Making a good movie for 1000 people is much easer than to make a movie for 1 million people. And even if they try a 500.000, I feel it would still end up as a mediocre s***, good sells maybe, but no more respect for them as a crafty studio.
Or maybe we will never again see the DA3. EA can decide that it would be too much effort to dig the title under DA2 graveyard earth. And maybe it's actually for the best. I don't want to see another game like DA2 splitting crap all other developers faces. They want their **gs, both new and oldschool, to love them, but we could't with another game like DA2.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 05 septembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

I still trust Bioware. They've been entertaining me for more than ten years.

I loved Baldur's Gate.
I loved Baldur's Gate 2.
I enjoyed Neverwinter Nights and its two expansions.
I loved KOTOR.
Jade Empire was alright.
I loved Mass Effect.
Dragon Age Origins is currently my favourite game of all time.
I loved Mass Effect 2.
Awakenings was alright.
Dragon Age 2 was disappointing and flawed but I still found some enjoyment in there.

I don't see why anyone would write Bioware off after one game. As far as I'm concerned, based on the above list, there is more reason to believe they have the ability to reclaim former glory.

I made that point a while ago, and yet people still see a reason not to trust Bioware. Mind-Boggling.

[Gotholhorakh]

Define trust.

I will have no expectations, and I won't buy it unless it's good. Similarly, I'm primed to ignore it if it isn't.

I don't expect every BioWare game to be great for me for instance I have no real interest in ME I played through the first game and it wasn't really to my taste - I really hated it in fact - but that's fine, I can see how good it is on its merits, how much talent/effort went into it, and why other people like it - so I'm able to steer clear of playing them and everybody's happy.

What I've never seen them do is trash a franchise in its prime, fire-bombing the core experience and releasing something that overtly lacks the calibre and content depth of their former titles.

I felt like the game was a bit of a trojan horse, I'd bought it expecting a continuity of gameplay experience and features from the previous game, and when doubts were (several times) raised about it, we were "reassured". What I got was an experiment in lowering quality and removing features.as a means of securing growth and increasing margins.

We've all read some interviews. Apparently, our disappointment was caused by our own expectations (trust) that we would get those things.

No worries though, it's water under the bridge now, I'll just be wary and spend my money elsewhere or hold it back.

Like any other sane, sensible person, I would rather be reading "lol expectations idiots" interviews with my 60 bucks in MY back pocket, than the pocket of the guy giving the interview, so I'll keep hold of my money until other people have bought/played it. Let them get called stupid for buying it this time.

Once bitten, twice shy, y'know?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:23 .

[dsl08002]

Bioware has the ability to make a very good RPG as we have seen in the past, DAO is even today according to me one of the Best RPG:s ever made after ME, even though with its slow combat i loved the story.

But there is a major but coming, bioware didn´t want to follow the same footsteps with DAO as a RPG for some reason, same with combat and character. They wanted to experiment and try out new things even though DAO was praised and succesfull amongst fans and that was a very bold and risky move.

I don´t know how many fans wanted the warden to return in DA2 and that wanted the warden to return in DA3 such as myself so I wont speculate. When ME allowed an import of character and the same thing of DAA or the other dlc i think that bioware decided to try something new and not to go down the same route.

Becasue of that then Bioware in my opinion wanted to give the fans a game fast that breaked the trend but it was rushed and uncompleted. It made those who wanted another game similar to origins story, continue the same character or those who wanted to play an RPG that had the same quality as other games loose many fans.

the number that bioware had build of fans of origin was sinking rapidly. Now however when it is a new game coming up then bioware must heed "the calling" of their fans, they must bring back the big number of fans that had been lost during DA2 and that is a heavy burden on their shoulders.

I have faith in Bioware but they must take their time and check the facts and remember they havn´t decided anything yet, they have only given out ideas and possible directions for DA3, so every fans on this community:

Give your opinions and don´t bring the hammer down on those that disagrees

[Stanley Woo]

Some off-topic conversation removed.

[Reaverwind]

soccerchick wrote...

G00N3R7883 wrote...

I still trust Bioware. They've been entertaining me for more than ten years.

I loved Baldur's Gate.
I loved Baldur's Gate 2.
I enjoyed Neverwinter Nights and its two expansions.
I loved KOTOR.
Jade Empire was alright.
I loved Mass Effect.
Dragon Age Origins is currently my favourite game of all time.
I loved Mass Effect 2.
Awakenings was alright.
Dragon Age 2 was disappointing and flawed but I still found some enjoyment in there.

I don't see why anyone would write Bioware off after one game. As far as I'm concerned, based on the above list, there is more reason to believe they have the ability to reclaim former glory.

I made that point a while ago, and yet people still see a reason not to trust Bioware. Mind-Boggling.

What does trust have to do with it? As for the games listed above, I found  unmodded NWN downright awful, KOTOR and Jade Empire barely passable, and found the ME series unappealing. So, Bioware has a very shaky record in this neck of the woods.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 05 septembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[xkg]

soccerchick wrote...

G00N3R7883 wrote...

I still trust Bioware. They've been entertaining me for more than ten years.

I loved Baldur's Gate.
I loved Baldur's Gate 2.
I enjoyed Neverwinter Nights and its two expansions.
I loved KOTOR.
Jade Empire was alright.
I loved Mass Effect.
Dragon Age Origins is currently my favourite game of all time.
I loved Mass Effect 2.
Awakenings was alright.
Dragon Age 2 was disappointing and flawed but I still found some enjoyment in there.

I don't see why anyone would write Bioware off after one game. As far as I'm concerned, based on the above list, there is more reason to believe they have the ability to reclaim former glory.

I made that point a while ago, and yet people still see a reason not to trust Bioware. Mind-Boggling.

That list of games proves nothing. It is not about the games they have made in the past.
It is all about the direction they are taking in their current (and probably future) games.

If that "direction" is something I don't like I am not hoing to enjoy their new games just because i did enjoy them in the past.

[K_Tabris]

FubarCFSnafu wrote...

Now that they have announced DA 3, does anyone trust them if they are using the same team that developed DA 2? I am still waiting for all the promised DLC (other than what was released) and of course the awesome button.

I just feel wary about dropping another 60 dollars for a game that came out the way it did.

Of course! I loved DA2, and can't wait for the third installment.  Much of the team also developed JadeEmpire, and that game was a delight. 

Modifié par NovinhaShepard, 05 septembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[Mike_Neel]

Look Bioware. I liked DA2 and am currently in the process of another play through. I'm having tons of fun with the new mage combat zapping dudes. But can you give me more than one warehouse, one cave, and one estate interior to explorer?

For all the opinions of my favorite dragon age is better than your favorite dragon age, I think all camps can agree that this was a bad design flaw. Don't get me wrong. I know why you did it. Didn't have the resources for more, but maybe this time when EA comes banging on the door demanding a finished game you could all turn the lights out and hide behind the couches so you can get some more time to make a better game?

[LordPaul256]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

I still trust Bioware. They've been entertaining me for more than ten years.

I loved Baldur's Gate.
I loved Baldur's Gate 2.
I enjoyed Neverwinter Nights and its two expansions.
I loved KOTOR.
Jade Empire was alright.
I loved Mass Effect.
Dragon Age Origins is currently my favourite game of all time.
I loved Mass Effect 2.
Awakenings was alright.
Dragon Age 2 was disappointing and flawed but I still found some enjoyment in there.

I don't see why anyone would write Bioware off after one game. As far as I'm concerned, based on the above list, there is more reason to believe they have the ability to reclaim former glory.

I don't think it's just the quality of Dragon Age 2; It's the way BioWare responded to the criticism.

They criticized Dragon Age: Origins. 
Then, when the game came out, the initially blamed 4chan for the bad response. 
Then they blamed the fans for just wanting "Dragon Age: Origins 2."
Then they famously banned legitimate customers from playing the game.
Then BioWare employees started giving the game positive reviews on Metacritic.
On, and on, and on...

Even now we can only get begruding admittals that there were elements of DA2 that were (drastically) subpar, but it's always with the footnote that they're excited about this new direction and how they want to push the series mainstream.  It speaks of a drastic misunderstanding of their audience and what, exactly, turned Dragon Age: Origins into their as-of-yet best selling game of all time.

Does BioWare need to listen to their fans?  No.  But "need" is a conditional statement.  Of the conditional, "Does BioWare need to listen to their fans to increase their sales and expand their base?" the answer is yes.

Now, I have my own theories as to why BioWare is approaching things as they are, and why they did what they did with Dragon Age 2.  I'm hoping this will lead to something with Dragon Age 3 that I can truly enjoy in the vain of my previous BioWare game experiences.  However, I'm going to do this with very cautious optimism, will definitely not pre-order Dragon Age 3, and will retain my criticism when I feel it is necessary.  

Sometimes it's not a matter of trust, but keeping a memory fresh of a previous error so that it is not repeated.

[addiction21]

xkg wrote...

That list of games proves nothing. It is not about the games they have made in the past.
It is all about the direction they are taking in their current (and probably future) games.

If that "direction" is something I don't like I am not hoing to enjoy their new games just because i did enjoy them in the past.

And BioWares "direction" has always been akin to a drunk on a merry-go-round.

LordPaul256 wrote...

They criticized Dragon Age: Origins. 
Then, when the game came out, the initially blamed 4chan for the bad response. 
Then they blamed the fans for just wanting "Dragon Age: Origins 2."
Then they famously banned legitimate customers from playing the game.
Then BioWare employees started giving the game positive reviews on Metacritic.
On, and on, and on...

They criticized parts of Origins they were disapointed in or did not think they executed properly.
Nothing about 4chan I dont go there
No there WERE fans that wanted DAO:2. I see no problem in saying that there were people that wanted that and did not get it so those fans were unhappy. This is like the whole "the fans dont like change" That was never said. What was said was "that there were changes and people did not like changes" That is a whole different beast.
1 fan who got his access back very quickly. A fan who used that incident to rise to internet stardom for a week at best.
A employee. 1. Singular. Sjpw tp me how that was BioWares fault that a worker did that. Hell that was not even a easily recogizable employee.
 

Modifié par addiction21, 05 septembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[FieryDove]

addiction21 wrote...

And BioWares "direction" has always been akin to a drunk on a merry-go-round.

So constructive!


For the topic. Why do I need to trust Bioware to make a DA3? They will or they won't. What has trust got to do with it?

[addiction21]

FieryDove wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

And BioWares "direction" has always been akin to a drunk on a merry-go-round.

So constructive!


For the topic. Why do I need to trust Bioware to make a DA3? They will or they won't. What has trust got to do with it?

Look at that list of games... add Shattered Steel and MDK2 to the top of the list. Now can you show me a solid direction in games, gameplay, and mechanics from BioWare?

What has been their direction?

Modifié par addiction21, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:04 .

[Gunderic]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think FaWa's reasoning is sound. It's just a different way of looking at the developer/customer relationship. While many people really want to think that BioWare's lovingly crafting personalized games for each and every individual and handing them their copy of the game in exchange for the customers' hard-earned money, in reality this isn't the case.

While we love you guys and all of our fans, we (BioWare EA) as a business cannot afford to "address" our games to any individual over another. We make our games for a particular market, an average generalization of what we think our target audience wants.

Well your target audience ( CoD fans ) didn't enjoy DA 2 that much, from what I heard. imo you didn't pick the right target audience ( origins fans ) to market DA 2 to.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Who cares about trust?

Either they make it or they don't and we buy it or we don't based on our opinions and impressions of the game and BioWare as a whole.

Why does "trust" or "faith" have to come into it? (Unless of course, you're the kind of person who buys all the games from a developer regardless of whether you'd actually like them or not - I always find that to be so illogical, but hey, different strokes.)

Even if the topic were titled "Does anyone trust BioWare to create a DA 3 that they would like?" which is more to the point, the real issue would be "Do you agree with BioWare's direction for the Dragon Age franchise?" and not anything to do with "trust".

While that has been a topic that's been done a thousand times over, it's a very valid one in order to give feedback and opinions to developers provided that it's civil. It's better than "trust" in any case.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:23 .

[Atakuma]

Gunderic wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think FaWa's reasoning is sound. It's just a different way of looking at the developer/customer relationship. While many people really want to think that BioWare's lovingly crafting personalized games for each and every individual and handing them their copy of the game in exchange for the customers' hard-earned money, in reality this isn't the case.

While we love you guys and all of our fans, we (BioWare EA) as a business cannot afford to "address" our games to any individual over another. We make our games for a particular market, an average generalization of what we think our target audience wants.

Well your target audience ( CoD fans ) didn't enjoy DA 2 that much, from what I heard. imo you didn't pick the right target audience ( origins fans ) to market DA 2 to.

One bioware employee makes a comment about RPG elements in Call of Duty and now everyone twists that around like Bioware is goiing after the FPS market with Dragon Age. It's so inane.

Modifié par Atakuma, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:28 .

[Davasar]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Davasar not that i'm trying to make you look at dumb as you sound but the Total war series you refer to is an RTS( real time stratagey) and it has changed completely from the original game the 1st one was a board game duh so please do some research 1st. Oh and you got it the wrong way round the pile of Poo was Origins as it was full bugs and crashed constantly even when fully patched and running on the most high tech rig money could buy.

Nice job there calling me dumb.

Not everyone had your problems running the game.  Some had problems, others didn't.  Those problems are hardly universal.  Where as the bad game that was DA2 with its waves of parachuting enemies, recycled areas, loss of features and other such things as I listed previous are not up for debate.  They were lacking, and everyone knows it.  It is fact.

Stop downloading porn (and the inherent viruses) and maybe your rig will run DAO better.

The Total War franchise I am speaking of is in reference to the computer games made by Creative Assembly.

Nice try though at changing horse mid-stream.  And my analogy referencing poo is damn correct. 

Look at the sales bro.  DAO sold more then DA2, and got better reviews from critics and fans alike, has more replayability, has more content, etc...

In this instance of being a fanboi and an apologist, I think you should reexamine your position.

You are abjectly wrong.

DAO is a superior game in the most important, and measurable ways.

Modifié par Davasar, 06 septembre 2011 - 12:50 .

[Mike_Neel]

I'll say that yes I trust Bioware, but not so much Bioware EA.

That said some of the commentary I've been seeing on the forums is promising, as well as the improvements they took with Legacy seem to be well received. Bioware has a bad habit of taking something from the first game that was complex and hard to understand or not well received and just completely cutting it instead of taking the time to fix it. Glad to see they might actually try to take the time to fix some of the problems for DA3 instead of just saying
"Well this didn't work last time, cut it out."
"But...but...we could try fixing it and instead implem-"
"NO! Cut. Every. Thing! That's another day in the bag. Time to enjoy the weekend."
"But it's Wednesday."
"Can't hear you. Did you say something. Tell me Monday. Time to get some tequila shooters and wings at TGIFs"

*The following was my interpretation of a day at the Bioware offices. I'm sure it's 100% accurate.*