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[Anomaly-]

As in, will they make a DAIII? Of that I have little doubt.

Or, will they make a good DAIII? As to that, we can only hope.

Modifié par Anomaly-, 03 septembre 2011 - 02:52 .

[HanErlik]

After playing Dragon Age Origins, I thought Bioware would never release any worthless game. Then I played DA 2 and now I think Bioware will never make a classic game again. I will always remember Bioware with Baldur's Gate, KotOR, NWN and DAO.

Bioware: February 1995 - 8 March 2011

[addiction21]

HanErlik wrote...

After playing Dragon Age Origins, I thought Bioware would never release any worthless game. Then I played DA 2 and now I think Bioware will never make a classic game again. I will always remember Bioware with Baldur's Gate, KotOR, NWN and DAO.

Bioware: February 1995 - 8 March 2011

Well I got my melodrama for the night.

Edit:
I find it highly amusing the start date you use is LONG before any games they are recoginized for but just so happenhs to coincide with a game you happened to not like.

Modifié par addiction21, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:37 .

[dheer]

I'll remain skeptical but not cynical about the future of DA. The team has brought me both great joy and bitter disappointment with the series so far. Quite a few of the original team are still there so there's a chance that they can make something I'll find great joy in again.

Stealing Georg Zeller back to design fights / encounters would be a good start.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Anomaly- wrote...

As in, will they make a DAIII? Of that I have little doubt.

Or, will they make a good DAIII? As to that, we can only hope.

Pretty much this.

After just Origins and Awakening, I had some complaints about a certain possible ending import (US) not being represented well in DAA, but that wouldn't ruin an entire series for me; the game and story were still as enjoyable as ever.

Having played Dragon Age II, however, I have a disturbing lack of faith in the team I so vocally defended on these very boards during production. I mean, I cannot for the life of piece together what happened during said production; the logical response to having your franchise starter be both critically and commercially acclaimed is to keep things as they were, add some new stuff, smoothen and fix some mechanics that need it and introduce a new story and setting. Overhauling not only the gameplay (which works) but doing the same to the structure of the game/story is far from logical.

Never change a winning concept, at least not until people tire of it.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:10 .

[Zanallen]

Well, no one else is going to make DA3. It is Bioware or nothing, so I guess I'll go with Bioware.

[Cutlass Jack]

HanErlik wrote...

After playing Dragon Age Origins, I thought Bioware would never release any worthless game. Then I played DA 2 and now I think Bioware will never make a classic game again. I will always remember Bioware with Baldur's Gate, KotOR, NWN and DAO.

Bioware: February 1995 - 8 March 2011

After providing me with hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment over the last 15 years, Bioware finally put out one thing I didn't like. They are dead to me. Dead I say.

[Persephone]

Trust? Since when is this a question of trust?

I'm not deciding to move to another continent for Bioware's sake or asking them to look after my accounts, my as of yet unborn kids or anything else that requires trust.

I love both DAO and DAII (II more than Origins) and Legacy was the best damn DA DLC ever released, heck, to me it's the best DLC Bioware ever released for any game.

I cannot say anything about DAIII yet. I know nothing about it and presumptions aren't my thing. As it is, I want more DA content. And I am looking forward to DAIII. More I cannot say. It's like discussing a blank paged book. Futile.

[Persephone]

HanErlik wrote...

After playing Dragon Age Origins, I thought Bioware would never release any worthless game. Then I played DA 2 and now I think Bioware will never make a classic game again. I will always remember Bioware with Baldur's Gate, KotOR, NWN and DAO.

Bioware: February 1995 - 8 March 2011

I used to love honey. Then I got stung by a bee. Honey makes me sick now.

Ahem. Seriously, the hyperbole isn't cute anymore.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I don't play much of BioWare games. Only interested with those that comes with toolset like Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age Origins. I've tried Mass Effect 2 ( since ME 1 was exclusively Xbox or what was it PS3? I cannot remember..) and decided it's not my kind of games. Third person shooter never appeal to me ( I belong to first person shooter crowd ) and so does set characters like Sheppard, Cloud Strife, Ezio, Thorntorn and .... Hawke. I Was anticipating a toolset for Dragon Age 2 but it's become clear, BioWare is no longer interested in supporting modding community. This is such a shame because I'm looking for a character and story of my own. Even in strategy and simulation games like Might and Magics, The Sims Medieval, Civilization series, etc... The soul of my games is customization or modification to suit my own need for fantasy world. ( Although I do play for pure action like beat 'em up games + Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors but they're only for short term. )

BioWare always provide me with deep companion interactions which I enjoy greatly ( especially Morrigan. She was so alive and deep ). There is no other company in this world that can match BioWare's party based interaction. But with the change of direction, I don't know what to trust anymore. I can only hope BioWare will still manage to provide me with true dynamic character creation just for me to have my own character and meaningful story. Otherwise, it's going to break my heart to see BioWare is just like any other developers that no longer has the strength it once had.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[Zanallen]

Filament wrote...

BioWare did pass the baton to Obsidian for NWN2 and KOTOR2. I don't know what the chances of something like that are here.

True, but KotOR and NWN are not Bioware IP. DA was built from the ground up by this development team. I doubt that Gaider, at the very least, would be willing to give DA to another developer.

[Persephone]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
 Even in strategy and simulation games like Might and Magics, The Sims Medieval, Civilization series, etc...

The Might and Magic Series was a stellar RPG series (Until IX killed the franchise) , not a strategy or simulation game. Do you mean Heroes Of Might And Magic? Because there are almost no mods for the Might and Magic Series, sadly.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Persephone wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
 Even in strategy and simulation games like Might and Magics, The Sims Medieval, Civilization series, etc...

The Might and Magic Series was a stellar RPG series (Until IX killed the franchise) , not a strategy or simulation game. Do you mean Heroes Of Might And Magic? Because there are almost no mods for the Might and Magic Series, sadly.

Sorry I meant Heroes of Might and Magic. It's a strategy game.

[Avilia]

Its a game development company - a business - not your doctor. You don't need to trust them to do anything. Just see if you like their product, if you don't, don't buy it.

[Zanallen]

Filament wrote...

Could EA give it to another one of their developers, I wonder? Just curious...

Doubt it. Bioware is the head of EA's RPG division. They would have to parcel it out to a development company that they don't own, which would give them a smaller share of the profits. And Bioware might have a contract to ensure their IPs are not sold off, though I don't know if DA would fall under that since it was released after the buy out.

[Zubie]

Cutlass Jack wrote...


After providing me with hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment over the last 15 years, Bioware finally put out one thing I didn't like. They are dead to me. Dead I say.

True, but they've made no secret of the direction they want to take their future games. I don't really see them making a game quite like Origins (or most of the titles before it) ever again.

I hope I'm wrong though.

[Zanallen]

easygame88 wrote...

True, but they've made no secret of the direction they want to take their future games. I don't really see them making a game quite like Origins (or most of the titles before it) ever again.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Origins was a throw back to a different time. Bioware has been slowly shifting away from that design since KotOR. Jade Empire and DA2 have a lot in common.

[Persephone]

Zanallen wrote...

easygame88 wrote...

True, but they've made no secret of the direction they want to take their future games. I don't really see them making a game quite like Origins (or most of the titles before it) ever again.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Origins was a throw back to a different time. Bioware has been slowly shifting away from that design since KotOR. Jade Empire and DA2 have a lot in common.

Yes. And while I adore the BG Series and DAO,. I love DAII and JE to pieces. The day Bioware announces a JE sequel, I will toss my money at them until they tell me to stop.

[Jestina]

HanErlik wrote...
Bioware: February 1995 - 8 March 2011

Actually the death knell was 07 when they were bought out by EA. The only reason we got a good game like DA:O was because it had already been in development before that.

[Imrahil_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

After providing me with hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment over the last 15 years, Bioware finally put out one thing I didn't like. They are dead to me. Dead I say.

It's not that unreasonable, really.  The reasoning goes like this: They put out a god-awful terrible game.  But, instead of recognizing that they put out a god-awful terrible game, they blamed their fans for not liking the god-awful terrible game.

See, they not only didn't accept that they put out a god-awful terrible game, that sold half as much as their prior game, they had the nerve to blame their fans for not liking their god-awful terrible game.  The same fans that had supported them for the last 15 years.  They actually blamed their fans for "not accepting change".  They blamed the fans!  Can you imagine?

So, it's not just that finally put out a clunker, it's that...
 
1) they don't acknowledge they put out a clunker - they think they put out an awesome game & DA3 should be 85% DA2 & 15% DA:O.  Read the posts about DA2 & the interviews.  They still, to this day, think they actually created a good game in DA2.  They're actually proud of it!

2) and they've apparently kept the same designers for DA III.  Can you imagine?  What real company would do this?  "Sure, you lost us 2.5 million customers & damaged our brand name but, hey, here, go for it on DA III - you derserve it!"  What competent company would turn over the third installment to the same people that lost them half their audience & took them from "the best RPG company bar none" to a laughingstock across the internet?

They still insist on creating the third game with stuff from the second game, & have flat out told us that they're keeping the second game stuff with at best a few  bare-bones thrown to fans of the first game.

After providing me with hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment over the last 15 years, Bioware finally turned stupid. Or turned EA.  Same difference, I suppose.

Modifié par Imrahil_, 05 septembre 2011 - 08:51 .

[Zanallen]

Imrahil_ wrote...

It's not that unreasonable, really.  The reasoning goes like this: They put out a god-awful terrible game.  But, instead of recognizing that they put out a god-awful terrible game, they blamed their fans for not liking the god-awful terrible game.

See, they not only didn't accept that they put out a god-awful terrible game, that sold half as much as their prior game, they had the nerve to blame their fans for not liking their god-awful terrible game.  The same fans that had supported them for the last 15 years.  They actually blamed their fans for "not accepting change".  They blamed the fans!  Can you imagine?

So, it's not just that finally put out a clunker, it's that...
 
1) they don't acknowledge they put out a clunker - they think they put out an awesome game & DA3 should be 85% DA2 & 15% DA:O.  Read the posts about DA2 & the interviews.  They still, to this day, think they actually created a good game in DA2.  They're actually proud of it!

2) and they've apparently kept the same designers for DA III.  Can you imagine?  What real company would do this?  "Sure, you lost us 2.5 million customers & damaged our brand name but, hey, here, go for it on DA III - you derserve it!"  What competent company would turn over the third installment to the same people that lost them half their audience & took them from "the best RPG company bar none" to a laughingstock across the internet?

They still insist on creating the third game with stuff from the second game, & have flat out told us that their keeping the second game stuff with at best a few  bare-bones thrown to fans of the first game.

After providing me with hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment over the last 15 years, Bioware finally turned stupid. Or turned EA.  Same difference, I suppose.

1. Bioware has not been blaming their fans. That is the product of hate-filled vitriol and irate "fans" twisting their words.

2. DA2 is not an objectively bad game. There are plenty of people who enjoyed the game. How can they say they released a "god-awful terrible game" when that isn't the objective truth or even the general consensus?

3. Remember that DA2 was made by the same people who made DA:O.

[Persephone]

Zanallen wrote...

1. Bioware has not been blaming their fans. That is the product of hate-filled vitriol and irate "fans" twisting their words.

2. DA2 is not an objectively bad game. There are plenty of people who enjoyed the game. How can they say they released a "god-awful terrible game" when that isn't the objective truth or even the general consensus?

3. Remember that DA2 was made by the same people who made DA:O.

This is spot on.

[Mr.House]

Imrahil_ wrote...

2) and they've apparently kept the same designers for DA III.  Can you imagine?  What real company would do this?  "Sure, you lost us 2.5 million customers & damaged our brand name but, hey, here, go for it on DA III - you derserve it!"  What competent company would turn over the third installment to the same people that lost them half their audience & took them from "the best RPG company bar none" to a laughingstock across the internet?

Majoirty of the dev team for DA was the same for DAO

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 septembre 2011 - 05:16 .