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[Dunmer of Redoran]

They've been spacefaring for over 2000 years and humans seem to have brought them to their knees after being spacefaring for little more than 200 years. They wage a lame proxy war and they have no known army to speak of.

Do they have a smaller population, or something? Why are they so weak compared to everyone else, and so how much of the Reaper "Husk force" will be made up of these guys?

[Fishy]

I think someone skipped history.

[Sepewrath]

Their military strength is an unknown, but whatever it is, obviously it was no match for the Reapers, so being alone won't help their cause.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Suprez30 wrote...

I think someone skipped history.

Batarians: Council noticed them flying around before 200 BCE.

Humans: Been in space since 1961 CE.

[Fishy]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

I think someone skipped history.

Batarians: Council noticed them flying around before 200 BCE.

Humans: Been in space since 1961 CE.

I mean actual history about civilization.

[Sgt Stryker]

Suprez30 wrote...


I mean actual history about civilization.

If you're wondering about him saying that humanity has been in space for 200 years: he's correct - in the ME universe.

[BlaCKRodjj]

DaftArbiter wrote...

They've been spacefaring for over 2000 years and humans seem to have brought them to their knees after being spacefaring for little more than 200 years. They wage a lame proxy war and they have no known army to speak of.

Do they have a smaller population, or something? Why are they so weak compared to everyone else, and so how much of the Reaper "Husk force" will be made up of these guys?

It's not that they're weak, it's just that they forced a proxy war because they didn't want to enrage the council races, and as you should know, they were banned from citadel space, their own space now forming a part of the Terminus Systems. As for their military, they're a lot like the Italian city states during the renaissance, just that they want power over each other so they're constatly fighting. In summary, good riddance

[el master pr]

They're not. The Normandy alone could squash their entire fleet.

Racism aside, ME has never gone into the details. But we can assume(here we go) that not as strong as repelling a Reaper attack, since there will be Cannibals at Earth.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Suprez30 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

I think someone skipped history.

Batarians: Council noticed them flying around before 200 BCE.

Humans: Been in space since 1961 CE.

I mean actual history about civilization.

...we were in space before 1961?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

I think someone skipped history.

Batarians: Council noticed them flying around before 200 BCE.

Humans: Been in space since 1961 CE.

I mean actual history about civilization.

...we were in space before 1961?

We launched an object into space before 1961...though it is speculative...but yeah wth is he talking about?

[Davie McG]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

I think someone skipped history.

Batarians: Council noticed them flying around before 200 BCE.

Humans: Been in space since 1961 CE.

I mean actual history about civilization.

...we were in space before 1961?

We launched an object into space before 1961...though it is speculative...but yeah wth is he talking about?

I think he means the first human in space, Yuri someone, pretty sure that was '61.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

I think someone skipped history.

Batarians: Council noticed them flying around before 200 BCE.

Humans: Been in space since 1961 CE.

I mean actual history about civilization.

...we were in space before 1961?

We launched an object into space before 1961...though it is speculative...but yeah wth is he talking about?

Yeah, we had objects in before '61 but we weren't really spacefaring, so to speak. I'm just comparing "first human in space at" to "Batarians were definitely in space by."

[111987]

The thing is, I don't think the Citadel races have advanced technologically very far since discovering the Relay. Sure, tweaking shields might make them a little more effective, or improving engines might make you go a little further/faster, but no great strides were made. We know Turian and Alliance ships were pretty much on par during the First Contact War.

This suggests that the Alliance was already close to the level of the Citadel races by the time they came into contact. Then things like population, fleet size, etc...would come into play.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

111987 wrote...

The thing is, I don't think the Citadel races have advanced technologically very far since discovering the Relay. Sure, tweaking shields might make them a little more effective, or improving engines might make you go a little further/faster, but no great strides were made. We know Turian and Alliance ships were pretty much on par during the First Contact War.

This suggests that the Alliance was already close to the level of the Citadel races by the time they came into contact. Then things like population, fleet size, etc...would come into play.

Turian arrogance and lack of intel is why they lost the FCW.

And humans using good tactics.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Turian tech is superior to human tech. Salarian tech is superior to human tech. Quarian tech is superior to human tech. Asari tech is superior to human tech. Et cetera.

Human tech is advancing very quickly but is still behind. Thing about the Batarians is that they've had so much time but they never do anything to challenge the humans other than their proxy war that everyone knows they're responsible for. Even with the humans aside, nobody ever seemed to have taken the Batarians seriously. They were always a fifth wheel.

[Bad King]

Balak implies that the batarian military was weaker than the Alliance military.

However, they still appear to have an effective nationalised arms manufacturer (mostly chemical weapons and armour) and they also have a Special Intervention Unit who's agents go through a brutal training regime. They are also confirmed to have dreadnoughts and they probably control the Leviathan of Dis- an enormous and ancient genetically engineered starship (however that could have simply been a Farscape reference that isn't to be taken seriously).

Modifié par Bad King, 03 septembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[111987]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

111987 wrote...

The thing is, I don't think the Citadel races have advanced technologically very far since discovering the Relay. Sure, tweaking shields might make them a little more effective, or improving engines might make you go a little further/faster, but no great strides were made. We know Turian and Alliance ships were pretty much on par during the First Contact War.

This suggests that the Alliance was already close to the level of the Citadel races by the time they came into contact. Then things like population, fleet size, etc...would come into play.

Turian arrogance and lack of intel is why they lost the FCW.

And humans using good tactics.

Yes and yes, but weren't there ships also stated to be pretty equal? I believe in ME: Revelation Grissom says this in the prologue...

[111987]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Turian tech is superior to human tech. Salarian tech is superior to human tech. Quarian tech is superior to human tech. Asari tech is superior to human tech. Et cetera.

Human tech is advancing very quickly but is still behind. Thing about the Batarians is that they've had so much time but they never do anything to challenge the humans other than their proxy war that everyone knows they're responsible for. Even with the humans aside, nobody ever seemed to have taken the Batarians seriously. They were always a fifth wheel.

The level of tech is pretty much the same between all the races by this point. Even if it isn't, it has to be pretty close. Plus the three races you said are the Council races and thus the most powerful races in the galaxy. The Quarians are also pretty much a race of engineers. Batarians are not a council race nor have they been stated to be technologically adept.

[Fishy]

You're asking why after 2000 years of History they're so weak . What history have to do with power?
In Mass Effect they use  alien tech (Just like human) . So they haven't really created most of what they use.

it's come down to their society and interest . I`m not a Mass Effect history geek but i think they're  mostly pirates and scavenger. Krogan are rather stupid also . Just because you can drive a car  that does not make you an engineer.

They seem to have some kind of anarchic society. More individualist maybe? Human do what ppl tell em to do. So they are more inclined for the 'greater' good.

But you can always enlighten me . Society have  raised  and fallen when ppl in north america were still doing the rain dance.

Modifié par Suprez30, 03 septembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Dunmer of Redoran]

111987 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Turian tech is superior to human tech. Salarian tech is superior to human tech. Quarian tech is superior to human tech. Asari tech is superior to human tech. Et cetera.

Human tech is advancing very quickly but is still behind. Thing about the Batarians is that they've had so much time but they never do anything to challenge the humans other than their proxy war that everyone knows they're responsible for. Even with the humans aside, nobody ever seemed to have taken the Batarians seriously. They were always a fifth wheel.

The level of tech is pretty much the same between all the races by this point. Even if it isn't, it has to be pretty close. Plus the three races you said are the Council races and thus the most powerful races in the galaxy. The Quarians are also pretty much a race of engineers. Batarians are not a council race nor have they been stated to be technologically adept.

They're also never stated to be technologically inept, either. They're a really unknown quantity. For me, that's what makes them so interesting. We see them, we know what they do, but that's about all we know. Their culture is almost completely unknown. Their local history before spaceflight is unknown. Their military might is unknown, besides the fact they apparently pissed themselves when the Alliance showed up.

[Fayfel]

The turian 'fleet' that occupied Shanxi was a four ship patrol. The human fleet that counter attacked was much larger. Ship for ship the turians were far superior.

[111987]

DaftArbiter wrote...

111987 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Turian tech is superior to human tech. Salarian tech is superior to human tech. Quarian tech is superior to human tech. Asari tech is superior to human tech. Et cetera.

Human tech is advancing very quickly but is still behind. Thing about the Batarians is that they've had so much time but they never do anything to challenge the humans other than their proxy war that everyone knows they're responsible for. Even with the humans aside, nobody ever seemed to have taken the Batarians seriously. They were always a fifth wheel.

The level of tech is pretty much the same between all the races by this point. Even if it isn't, it has to be pretty close. Plus the three races you said are the Council races and thus the most powerful races in the galaxy. The Quarians are also pretty much a race of engineers. Batarians are not a council race nor have they been stated to be technologically adept.

They're also never stated to be technologically inept, either. They're a really unknown quantity. For me, that's what makes them so interesting. We see them, we know what they do, but that's about all we know. Their culture is almost completely unknown. Their local history before spaceflight is unknown. Their military might is unknown, besides the fact they apparently pissed themselves when the Alliance showed up.

Oh I'm  not saying they're technologically inept. I just meant that if they were technologically advanced, like the Quarians, it would have been mentioned. This implies they are fairly standard.

If the Alliance military is greater than the Batarians, that means a lot of other people are stronger too.In terms on military power, I think the scale would go

Geth> Turians/Humans (if the Council was killed)> Asari/Humans (if the Council was saved)>Salarians>Batarian

I don't know where the Rachni would fit in, but they'd probably right up there if it too the combined might of the Asari, Salarians, and non-Genophage Krogan to stop them. The Krogans would be higher too without the Genophage, and if they were allowed to have a fleet.

[DetailedSubset]

 from the ME Wiki: The batarian fleet is known to operate at least one dreadnought (as a non-Citadel race, they are not bound by the Treaty of Farixen and may have more). They also field smaller vessels, including the Hensa class of cruisers. However, given one member of this class -- later obtained by the quarians and refurbished as the idenna -- was twenty years old in 2183, the batarians may have retired the Hensa class from active service by this time.

Also, if I'm not mistaken I believe that by the start of ME3 the Batarians have already been crushed by the reapers (I think this mas mentioned during E3).

Modifié par DetailedSubset, 03 septembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[111987]

Amakiir wrote...

The turian 'fleet' that occupied Shanxi was a four ship patrol. The human fleet that counter attacked was much larger. Ship for ship the turians were far superior.

I'm pretty sure in ME: Retribution Admiral Grissom says there tech is on par with one another. The humans got a huge boost from the Prothean tech cache on Mars.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

111987 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

111987 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Turian tech is superior to human tech. Salarian tech is superior to human tech. Quarian tech is superior to human tech. Asari tech is superior to human tech. Et cetera.

Human tech is advancing very quickly but is still behind. Thing about the Batarians is that they've had so much time but they never do anything to challenge the humans other than their proxy war that everyone knows they're responsible for. Even with the humans aside, nobody ever seemed to have taken the Batarians seriously. They were always a fifth wheel.

The level of tech is pretty much the same between all the races by this point. Even if it isn't, it has to be pretty close. Plus the three races you said are the Council races and thus the most powerful races in the galaxy. The Quarians are also pretty much a race of engineers. Batarians are not a council race nor have they been stated to be technologically adept.

They're also never stated to be technologically inept, either. They're a really unknown quantity. For me, that's what makes them so interesting. We see them, we know what they do, but that's about all we know. Their culture is almost completely unknown. Their local history before spaceflight is unknown. Their military might is unknown, besides the fact they apparently pissed themselves when the Alliance showed up.

Oh I'm  not saying they're technologically inept. I just meant that if they were technologically advanced, like the Quarians, it would have been mentioned. This implies they are fairly standard.

If the Alliance military is greater than the Batarians, that means a lot of other people are stronger too.In terms on military power, I think the scale would go

Geth> Turians/Humans (if the Council was killed)> Asari/Humans (if the Council was saved)>Salarians>Batarian

I don't know where the Rachni would fit in, but they'd probably right up there if it too the combined might of the Asari, Salarians, and non-Genophage Krogan to stop them. The Krogans would be higher too without the Genophage, and if they were allowed to have a fleet.

The other thing about the Batarians is that they might just be extremely conservative in their military policy. They might have a fairly powerful military and simply choose not to commit it to a full-scale war, favoring a petit-guerre with pirates and slavers instead. It's possible, because we know next to nothing about them. They might just be bullies who, in spite of substantial military strength, lack the willingness to commit. Who knows.