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[Illusive1]

1136342t54 wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

The Batarians are like the African governments of today. They have first world technology but have third world policies. (The batarians still have a caste system that includes slavery, slavery being a normal standard amongst their people)
It's also said that the batarians are severely disorganized due to the fact that the different nations on their homeworld are still having centuries-old wars, which have probably diminished their resources and wealth, which in turn effects their military and economy.
So just because they have achieved spaceflight way before us, doesn't make them volumes ahead of us especially when you have their culture & policies to consider. So far we get the impression that they are a very quick-to-anger species, and their social ladder is filled with nothing but brutality. Brutality that almost rivals the krogans.

To be more accurate they are a mix of India and North Korea.

Haha, I couldnt agree more with that last comment.

[111987]

1136342t54 wrote...

JonnyOwen wrote...

They really cannot be as strong as the Alliance, or in-fact any Council race. If they were strong they would impose themselves as a dominant force and not be reserved with their military. Surely they would see that having a large intimidating fleet that the Galaxy knows about would benefit them greatly as a race.

The Batarians aren't barred by the Citadel Dreadnought treaty and are willing to use all types of WMDs. I'd say they could give the SA a run for their money quite easily. Hell the SA actually would like to avoid war with them since they know it would not be a easy win at all. The Turians at full power would utterly destroy them though.

Yeah they aren't barred by the treaty, but in-game it is said they only have 1, so we have to go off of that number until shown otherwise. The SA has 8 dreadnaughts, plus the backing of the Council.

The Batarians would be curbstomped by the SA alone. If they start using WMD's, like the Krogan did during the Krogan Rebellions...well, look how that turned out for the Krogan.

[Illusive1]

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

[armass]

3 things:

1. I doubt batarians are exterminated completely at the beginning of ME3, I know what they said in E3 but many people take it wrong, they said the reapers went through the batarian terratories to get to us, this can mean colony planets and outposts, they didn't say they had exterminated them completely. My guess is there are still batarian planets and forces fighting against the reapers and you can get them on your side if you wish in the game, or leave them to fend for themselves. This might be the perfect opportunity to turn batarians around, when their hegemony crumbles, they need to begin anew, maybe with a better start. I mean peace has to start from somewhere, right?

2. Even if batarians have a weaker military than humans, humans clearly do want to avoid confrontation with them. Batarians are not bind by the Citadel conventions and thus they can essentially use biological and planet killer weapons on human colonies, like superviruses, asteroids and bombs, even on garden planets. Plus they have already shown that batarians soldiers or terrorists can be fanatical and ruthless in battle, willing to die for their beliefs and government.

3. Batarian goverment has power within the terminus systems, they could ally themselves or pull lots of pirates, raiders and other terminus species into the conflict, making probably the Citadel species to intefere also. Result would be an all out galactic war.

Modifié par armass, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[Rorschachinstein]

Illusive1 wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

"probably" falls in line with your comments as well. You can't say the Batarians have a weak military if you know very little about besides random characters comments.

Hey guy, why cant you wrap your head around the fact that Batarians suck? Therefore_I_Am just gave an excellent exposition on the sad reality of the little ****s sniffers.

You'd probably say the same thing about Vorcha. Expect Batarians to have a bigger role in ME3. Even do the "oh **** our enemies have come ot save our asses" secenario

[Bad King]

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

[Illusive1]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

"probably" falls in line with your comments as well. You can't say the Batarians have a weak military if you know very little about besides random characters comments.

Hey guy, why cant you wrap your head around the fact that Batarians suck? Therefore_I_Am just gave an excellent exposition on the sad reality of the little ****s sniffers.

You'd probably say the same thing about Vorcha. Expect Batarians to have a bigger role in ME3. Even do the "oh **** our enemies have come ot save our asses" secenario

I am very doubtful of that, chumly.

[1136342t54_]

111987 wrote...
Yeah they aren't barred by the treaty, but in-game it is said they only have 1, so we have to go off of that number until shown otherwise. The SA has 8 dreadnaughts, plus the backing of the Council.

The Batarians would be curbstomped by the SA alone. If they start using WMD's, like the Krogan did during the Krogan Rebellions...well, look how that turned out for the Krogan.

The Krogan got taken down by a genetic virus, a very very pissed off Turian military and a combination of Spectres, STG and Asari Commandos using WMDs against them. 

The Batarians aren't said to only have 1 Dreadnought. It was the only one that was mentioned in game. The Codex doesn't go into detail about their military at all. It is likely they have more Dreadnoughts than you think. Why would they release military information like that to the Council? 

[Sharn01]

There was never really a war between humans and batarians. The batarians where claiming planets that they said they wanted to colonize but never took any sort of initiative to do so. Humans wanted to colonize the same planets and actually began the process of doing so, the batarians got mad and went to the council who ruled in favor of the humans who showed greater effort in expanding.

This caused the batarians to pick up thier toys and go home so to speak, they gave up their membership among the council races, which caused them to lose even more prospective systems to humans because they had no backing from the council anymore at all, and any attempt to attack the humans in a direct war would be an act of war against all the council races.

[Illusive1]

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

[Bad King]

Zeta030 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

It does because you came on this thread originally stating that the batarian military consisted of pirates and raiders.

"I aint yo good sir, nigguh. And of course I read your posts. Saying the
Batarian military never fought the Alliance. The Batarians are slavers
and pirates, so I don't know what military you are talking about. The
Batarians in Citadel Space, the ones that fought the humans, either
fought themselves or used other criminals to attack. The only force of
batarians that have fought are the slavers, good nigguh sir"

And I have evidence to prove that:

1. The batarians have at least 1 dreadnought.
2. The government owns an effective arms manufacturer.
3. There is a batarian special forces unit.

So these aren't just pirates and slavers we're dealing with.

hahaha You must be talking about some other batarians, because in the Mass Effect that the people on this site play, we don't deal with the Batarian's military. We fight the slavers that are out in our space posing a threat and acting hostile

Indeed. And that's because the hegemony's military did not become directly involved in the Skyllian Blitz.

Modifié par Bad King, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:11 .

[1136342t54_]

Illusive1 wrote...

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

A very interesting look at the psyche of some BSN posters.

[111987]

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...
Yeah they aren't barred by the treaty, but in-game it is said they only have 1, so we have to go off of that number until shown otherwise. The SA has 8 dreadnaughts, plus the backing of the Council.

The Batarians would be curbstomped by the SA alone. If they start using WMD's, like the Krogan did during the Krogan Rebellions...well, look how that turned out for the Krogan.

The Krogan got taken down by a genetic virus, a very very pissed off Turian military and a combination of Spectres, STG and Asari Commandos using WMDs against them. 

The Batarians aren't said to only have 1 Dreadnought. It was the only one that was mentioned in game. The Codex doesn't go into detail about their military at all. It is likely they have more Dreadnoughts than you think. Why would they release military information like that to the Council? 

Okay, perhaps they do have more dreadnaughts than 1. How many would you like to give them? 10, 20? How about we go crazy and say they have 40 dreadnaughts!

If that Batarians attack the SA, the Council will intervene and pursue a diplomatic solution, like they did for both the Rachni War and Krogan Rebellion. If the Batarians refuse and continue the war, then they are now facing the combined might of the Council races.

Turians: 39 dreadnaughts
Asari: 21 dreadnaughts, including the Destiny Ascension
Salarians: 16 dreadnaughts
Humans: 8 dreadnaughts

Whose going to win this war?

[Bad King]

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

Well I'm afraid we'll have no choice but garner the other species' support to help us reclaim earth in ME3, regardless of morality. Humanity can't win on its own.

Modifié par Bad King, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:13 .

[Rorschachinstein]

Illusive1 wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

"probably" falls in line with your comments as well. You can't say the Batarians have a weak military if you know very little about besides random characters comments.

Hey guy, why cant you wrap your head around the fact that Batarians suck? Therefore_I_Am just gave an excellent exposition on the sad reality of the little ****s sniffers.

You'd probably say the same thing about Vorcha. Expect Batarians to have a bigger role in ME3. Even do the "oh **** our enemies have come ot save our asses" secenario

I am very doubtful of that, chumly.

It can't be doubtful. Uniting agianst the reapers. It's symbolic as hell.

[1136342t54_]

111987 wrote...
Okay, perhaps they do have more dreadnaughts than 1. How many would you like to give them? 10, 20? How about we go crazy and say they have 40 dreadnaughts!

If that Batarians attack the SA, the Council will intervene and pursue a diplomatic solution, like they did for both the Rachni War and Krogan Rebellion. If the Batarians refuse and continue the war, then they are now facing the combined might of the Council races.

Turians: 39 dreadnaughts
Asari: 21 dreadnaughts, including the Destiny Ascension
Salarians: 16 dreadnaughts
Humans: 8 dreadnaughts

Whose going to win this war?

If this is pre Council Alliance then the Council wouldn't get involved on a fear of fighting the entirety of the Terminus Systems. Even Council Alliance wouldn't do it since Humanity is a council race and should be able to take down the Batarians easily.

[Illusive1]

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

Well I'm afraid we'll have no choice but garner the other species' support to help us reclaim earth in ME3, regardless of morality. Humanity can't win on its own.

Dear Bad King, which, by the way is a good name for you judging by some of the ludacris assumptions you have made over the last few posts, YOU ARE RIGHT, we will need the help of other species... but we sure as hell dont need the help of some ditry dogs that are fighting over the last bits of meat on the bones of each others children at their home planet. 

Tactically speaking, why would you enter into any kind of agreement or alliance with a group of beings that you dont trust? I would first, invade their asses, take their ****, and then use it against the Reapers with other cooperating races. There is plenty enough firepower with the Council allies. 

The Batarians can go **** themselves in the corner and watch how men reclaim the universe.

Modifié par Illusive1, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[111987]

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...
Okay, perhaps they do have more dreadnaughts than 1. How many would you like to give them? 10, 20? How about we go crazy and say they have 40 dreadnaughts!

If that Batarians attack the SA, the Council will intervene and pursue a diplomatic solution, like they did for both the Rachni War and Krogan Rebellion. If the Batarians refuse and continue the war, then they are now facing the combined might of the Council races.

Turians: 39 dreadnaughts
Asari: 21 dreadnaughts, including the Destiny Ascension
Salarians: 16 dreadnaughts
Humans: 8 dreadnaughts

Whose going to win this war?

If this is pre Council Alliance then the Council wouldn't get involved on a fear of fighting the entirety of the Terminus Systems. Even Council Alliance wouldn't do it since Humanity is a council race and should be able to take down the Batarians easily.

Wait, so you're saying the Alliance would take down the Batarians easily? Then we agree? And if the Batarian government attacks a Council race, then the Citadel will intervene. They just won't interven if its isolated incidents, or terrorist attacks.

[Bad King]

Zeta030 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

Well I'm afraid we'll have no choice but garner the other species' support to help us reclaim earth in ME3, regardless of morality. Humanity can't win on its own.

Of course Humanity needs help saving the galaxy. Thanks for pointing out something that everyone knows, the headlines for the Mass Effect 3 report, good sir. And illusive1 was talking about Kaidan, not other species' support, so step down

Nope, I believe his second comment was refering to my concept of a wise man, so chill.

[bobdooly]

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

It does because you came on this thread originally stating that the batarian military consisted of pirates and raiders.

"I aint yo good sir, nigguh. And of course I read your posts. Saying the
Batarian military never fought the Alliance. The Batarians are slavers
and pirates, so I don't know what military you are talking about. The
Batarians in Citadel Space, the ones that fought the humans, either
fought themselves or used other criminals to attack. The only force of
batarians that have fought are the slavers, good nigguh sir"

And I have evidence to prove that:

1. The batarians have at least 1 dreadnought.
2. The government owns an effective arms manufacturer.
3. There is a batarian special forces unit.

So these aren't just pirates and slavers we're dealing with.

hahaha You must be talking about some other batarians, because in the Mass Effect that the people on this site play, we don't deal with the Batarian's military. We fight the slavers that are out in our space posing a threat and acting hostile

Indeed. And that's because the hegemony's military did not become directly involved in the Skyllian Blitz.

I like how you think that having at least one dreadnought, an arms manufacturer, and a special forces unit automatically makes someone a galactic power. Italy has all those things, but if they went to war with Europe, Hell just Germany or UK, they would get stomped. The things listed are prerequisites, in the same line as having fingers is required to writing a novel.

[Illusive1]

111987 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...
Okay, perhaps they do have more dreadnaughts than 1. How many would you like to give them? 10, 20? How about we go crazy and say they have 40 dreadnaughts!

If that Batarians attack the SA, the Council will intervene and pursue a diplomatic solution, like they did for both the Rachni War and Krogan Rebellion. If the Batarians refuse and continue the war, then they are now facing the combined might of the Council races.

Turians: 39 dreadnaughts
Asari: 21 dreadnaughts, including the Destiny Ascension
Salarians: 16 dreadnaughts
Humans: 8 dreadnaughts

Whose going to win this war?

If this is pre Council Alliance then the Council wouldn't get involved on a fear of fighting the entirety of the Terminus Systems. Even Council Alliance wouldn't do it since Humanity is a council race and should be able to take down the Batarians easily.

Wait, so you're saying the Alliance would take down the Batarians easily? Then we agree? And if the Batarian government attacks a Council race, then the Citadel will intervene. They just won't interven if its isolated incidents, or terrorist attacks.

Bro, you smoked him. He cant respond. He keeps attempting to drop Batarian propaganda on us and then backing it up with his "nopes." 

Modifié par Illusive1, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:25 .