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[1136342t54_]

111987 wrote...
Wait, so you're saying the Alliance would take down the Batarians easily? Then we agree? And if the Batarian government attacks a Council race, then the Citadel will intervene. They just won't interven if its isolated incidents, or terrorist attacks.

They should be able to but they can't. Its just how the Council will  spin it. If you listened to news reports about how the Council treated the Alliance over missing colonies you would know. They wouldn't even Assist the Alliance since humanity is a council race and should be able to handle things. The SA aren't the Turians or have a bad ass dreadnought like the Asari. A war with the Batarians would take too long and cost millions of human lives. Not to mention the potential insurgency that will crop up if we invade planets. The SA has never fought a war on that scale.

[armass]

bobdooly wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

It does because you came on this thread originally stating that the batarian military consisted of pirates and raiders.

"I aint yo good sir, nigguh. And of course I read your posts. Saying the
Batarian military never fought the Alliance. The Batarians are slavers
and pirates, so I don't know what military you are talking about. The
Batarians in Citadel Space, the ones that fought the humans, either
fought themselves or used other criminals to attack. The only force of
batarians that have fought are the slavers, good nigguh sir"

And I have evidence to prove that:

1. The batarians have at least 1 dreadnought.
2. The government owns an effective arms manufacturer.
3. There is a batarian special forces unit.

So these aren't just pirates and slavers we're dealing with.

hahaha You must be talking about some other batarians, because in the Mass Effect that the people on this site play, we don't deal with the Batarian's military. We fight the slavers that are out in our space posing a threat and acting hostile

Indeed. And that's because the hegemony's military did not become directly involved in the Skyllian Blitz.

I like how you think that having at least one dreadnought, an arms manufacturer, and a special forces unit automatically makes someone a galactic power. Italy has all those things, but if they went to war with Europe, Hell just Germany or UK, they would get stomped. The things listed are prerequisites, in the same line as having fingers is required to writing a novel.

But does Italy have nukes, or biological weapons?

Modifié par armass, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[Bad King]

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

Well I'm afraid we'll have no choice but garner the other species' support to help us reclaim earth in ME3, regardless of morality. Humanity can't win on its own.

Dear Bad King, which, by the way is a good name for you judging by some of the ludacris assumptions you have made over the last few posts, YOU ARE RIGHT, we will need the help of other species... but we sure as hell dont need the help of some ditry dogs that are fighting over the last bits of meat on the bones of each others children at their home planet. 

Tactically speaking, why would you enter into any kind of agreement or alliance with a group of beings that you dont trust? I would first, invade their asses, take their ****, and then use it against the Reapers with other cooperating races. There is plenty enough firepower with the Council allies. 

The Batarians can go **** themselves in the corner and watch how men reclaim the universe.

I'm willing to recruit anyone who's willing to fight. Nobody's worse than the reapers, and trust will not be an issue when everyone is fighting against a much stronger common enemy.

[bobdooly]

armass wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

I like how you think that having at least one dreadnought, an arms manufacturer, and a special forces unit automatically makes someone a galactic power. Italy has all those things, but if they went to war with Europe, Hell just Germany or UK, they would get stomped. The things listed are prerequisites, in the same line as having fingers is required to writing a novel.

But does Italy have nukes, or biological weapons?

What does that have to do with anything?

[Bad King]

bobdooly wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

It does because you came on this thread originally stating that the batarian military consisted of pirates and raiders.

"I aint yo good sir, nigguh. And of course I read your posts. Saying the
Batarian military never fought the Alliance. The Batarians are slavers
and pirates, so I don't know what military you are talking about. The
Batarians in Citadel Space, the ones that fought the humans, either
fought themselves or used other criminals to attack. The only force of
batarians that have fought are the slavers, good nigguh sir"

And I have evidence to prove that:

1. The batarians have at least 1 dreadnought.
2. The government owns an effective arms manufacturer.
3. There is a batarian special forces unit.

So these aren't just pirates and slavers we're dealing with.

hahaha You must be talking about some other batarians, because in the Mass Effect that the people on this site play, we don't deal with the Batarian's military. We fight the slavers that are out in our space posing a threat and acting hostile

Indeed. And that's because the hegemony's military did not become directly involved in the Skyllian Blitz.

I like how you think that having at least one dreadnought, an arms manufacturer, and a special forces unit automatically makes someone a galactic power. Italy has all those things, but if they went to war with Europe, Hell just Germany or UK, they would get stomped. The things listed are prerequisites, in the same line as having fingers is required to writing a novel.

You obviously didn't look at my original argument. I disproved Zeta's notion that the batarian military consists only of pirates and slavers.

[armass]

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Illusive1 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Travie wrote...

If the batarians decide to fight, they are goin in first.

Just sayin.

FIngers crossed they'll do a bit of damage to the reaper ships. If necessary, I am willing to fight side by side with the batarians against the greater threat- the reapers, if they offer their aid in ME3.

Bro, you sound alot like Kaiden right now. He is a ****got.

If he's willing to make alliances to fight the greater threat then he is a wise man.

A ghey wise man, who cant pull himself up by the boot straps and fight his own battles. 

Well I'm afraid we'll have no choice but garner the other species' support to help us reclaim earth in ME3, regardless of morality. Humanity can't win on its own.

Dear Bad King, which, by the way is a good name for you judging by some of the ludacris assumptions you have made over the last few posts, YOU ARE RIGHT, we will need the help of other species... but we sure as hell dont need the help of some ditry dogs that are fighting over the last bits of meat on the bones of each others children at their home planet. 

Tactically speaking, why would you enter into any kind of agreement or alliance with a group of beings that you dont trust? I would first, invade their asses, take their ****, and then use it against the Reapers with other cooperating races. There is plenty enough firepower with the Council allies. 

The Batarians can go **** themselves in the corner and watch how men reclaim the universe.

I'm willing to recruit anyone who's willing to fight. Nobody's worse than the reapers, and trust will not be an issue when everyone is fighting against a much stronger common enemy.

Yes thats like saying if aliens attack on Earth and all the nations need to pool in their forces to win, someone goes and shouts " no we dont need your help North Korea, go die somewhere."

You can always use extra military to counter a threat.

Modifié par armass, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[armass]

bobdooly wrote...

armass wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

I like how you think that having at least one dreadnought, an arms manufacturer, and a special forces unit automatically makes someone a galactic power. Italy has all those things, but if they went to war with Europe, Hell just Germany or UK, they would get stomped. The things listed are prerequisites, in the same line as having fingers is required to writing a novel.

But does Italy have nukes, or biological weapons?

What does that have to do with anything?

Cause if youre fanatical and desperate enough you will use them, doubt any european country would want a taste of nuke.

[111987]

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...
Wait, so you're saying the Alliance would take down the Batarians easily? Then we agree? And if the Batarian government attacks a Council race, then the Citadel will intervene. They just won't interven if its isolated incidents, or terrorist attacks.

They should be able to but they can't. Its just how the Council will  spin it. If you listened to news reports about how the Council treated the Alliance over missing colonies you would know. They wouldn't even Assist the Alliance since humanity is a council race and should be able to handle things. The SA aren't the Turians or have a bad ass dreadnought like the Asari. A war with the Batarians would take too long and cost millions of human lives. Not to mention the potential insurgency that will crop up if we invade planets. The SA has never fought a war on that scale.

I'm not arguing the war wouldn't cost a lot of human lives. I'm arguing that the Batarians wouldn't win said war.

Missing colonies in the Terminus systems, which is beyond the jurdistiction of the Council anyways, is not the same thing as a full scale war. The Council intervened during the First Contact War, right? If they would intervene in that war, not why an SA-Batarian war?

[Rorschachinstein]

[Illusive1]

Bro, if the Batarians are willing to **** out their own people for cash in the slaving business... who says they wouldnt side with the invader for some alleged "benefits". I sure as HELL wouldnt side with them or North Korea. Both are reviled within their respected communities.

Wouldnt you rather hedge your bet against the enemy by not letting some ditry ass sniffers know your battle strategies against the invading force? Have you thought about the possibility of a mole? Think about Saren, ye jackass.

Modifié par Illusive1, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[bobdooly]

Bad King wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Zeta030 wrote...

You are pulling this out of your head, kid. They "probably" have this and they "probably" have that. I have a million dollars and several private jets.
Balak did say that the batarian military is weak in comparison to the Alliance. They are known to have one dreadnought, and maybe other ships that are very ineffective. The training program can be as brutal as all hell, that doesn't mean the military is "stronger than one might think"

It does because you came on this thread originally stating that the batarian military consisted of pirates and raiders.

"I aint yo good sir, nigguh. And of course I read your posts. Saying the
Batarian military never fought the Alliance. The Batarians are slavers
and pirates, so I don't know what military you are talking about. The
Batarians in Citadel Space, the ones that fought the humans, either
fought themselves or used other criminals to attack. The only force of
batarians that have fought are the slavers, good nigguh sir"

And I have evidence to prove that:

1. The batarians have at least 1 dreadnought.
2. The government owns an effective arms manufacturer.
3. There is a batarian special forces unit.

So these aren't just pirates and slavers we're dealing with.

hahaha You must be talking about some other batarians, because in the Mass Effect that the people on this site play, we don't deal with the Batarian's military. We fight the slavers that are out in our space posing a threat and acting hostile

Indeed. And that's because the hegemony's military did not become directly involved in the Skyllian Blitz.

I like how you think that having at least one dreadnought, an arms manufacturer, and a special forces unit automatically makes someone a galactic power. Italy has all those things, but if they went to war with Europe, Hell just Germany or UK, they would get stomped. The things listed are prerequisites, in the same line as having fingers is required to writing a novel.

You obviously didn't look at my original argument. I disproved Zeta's notion that the batarian military consists only of pirates and slavers.

It doesn't take a great and powerful nation to make those 3 things. They could be all pirates and slavers and have just bought the dreadnought, used slaves for arms manurfacturing, and have trained commandos.

While I do agree that the batarians have a military, I just think it's a piece of absolute crap. The need pirates and slavers to fight their battles for them. About the Council intervening? The Council didn't help the Alliance militarily when it was attacked by the geth, they made Shepard a spectre. Why would they help the Alliance fight the Batarians when it's a "human problem"?

[1136342t54_]

111987 wrote...

I'm not arguing the war wouldn't cost a lot of human lives. I'm arguing that the Batarians wouldn't win said war.

Missing colonies in the Terminus systems, which is beyond the jurdistiction of the Council anyways, is not the same thing as a full scale war. The Council intervened during the First Contact War, right? If they would intervene in that war, not why an SA-Batarian war?

They intervened because they realized the Turians the most powerful military power in the Galaxy was going for full scale war with a relative unknown. They likely wanted to stop another rachni situation and was a bit afraid that humans were secretly very powerful (in reality that wasn't the case).

The Batarians will lost no doubt about that but it will not be a short war nor easy. The Turians could do it because the believe in Total War and will utterly crush any form of resistance. They don't believe in civillian casualties and always turn a occupied race into a client race.

[1136342t54_]

bobdooly wrote...
It doesn't take a great and powerful nation to make those 3 things. They could be all pirates and slavers and have just bought the dreadnought, used slaves for arms manurfacturing, and have trained commandos.

While I do agree that the batarians have a military, I just think it's a piece of absolute crap. The need pirates and slavers to fight their battles for them. About the Council intervening? The Council didn't help the Alliance militarily when it was attacked by the geth, they made Shepard a spectre. Why would they help the Alliance fight the Batarians when it's a "human problem"?

No offense but are you stupid? Buying a Dreadnought is not possible. Building kilometer long warships take the industry of empires.They don't need pirates and slavers to fight for them it was just more preferable to losing Batarian lives. Why would they use their military when hiring aliens works just fine? Their purpose was to scare humanity not fight them.

[111987]

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...

I'm not arguing the war wouldn't cost a lot of human lives. I'm arguing that the Batarians wouldn't win said war.

Missing colonies in the Terminus systems, which is beyond the jurdistiction of the Council anyways, is not the same thing as a full scale war. The Council intervened during the First Contact War, right? If they would intervene in that war, not why an SA-Batarian war?

They intervened because they realized the Turians the most powerful military power in the Galaxy was going for full scale war with a relative unknown. They likely wanted to stop another rachni situation and was a bit afraid that humans were secretly very powerful (in reality that wasn't the case).

The Batarians will lost no doubt about that but it will not be a short war nor easy. The Turians could do it because the believe in Total War and will utterly crush any form of resistance. They don't believe in civillian casualties and always turn a occupied race into a client race.

Well if we both believe the Batarians would lose the war, awesome. I have no problem with you saying it won't be a short or easy war if the Alliance faces them on their own.

[1136342t54_]

111987 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...

I'm not arguing the war wouldn't cost a lot of human lives. I'm arguing that the Batarians wouldn't win said war.

Missing colonies in the Terminus systems, which is beyond the jurdistiction of the Council anyways, is not the same thing as a full scale war. The Council intervened during the First Contact War, right? If they would intervene in that war, not why an SA-Batarian war?

They intervened because they realized the Turians the most powerful military power in the Galaxy was going for full scale war with a relative unknown. They likely wanted to stop another rachni situation and was a bit afraid that humans were secretly very powerful (in reality that wasn't the case).

The Batarians will lost no doubt about that but it will not be a short war nor easy. The Turians could do it because the believe in Total War and will utterly crush any form of resistance. They don't believe in civillian casualties and always turn a occupied race into a client race.

Well if we both believe the Batarians would lose the war, awesome. I have no problem with you saying it won't be a short or easy war if the Alliance faces them on their own.

I believe we only disagreed on the number of Dreadnoughts they may ahve.

[bobdooly]

1136342t54 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...
It doesn't take a great and powerful nation to make those 3 things. They could be all pirates and slavers and have just bought the dreadnought, used slaves for arms manurfacturing, and have trained commandos.

While I do agree that the batarians have a military, I just think it's a piece of absolute crap. The need pirates and slavers to fight their battles for them. About the Council intervening? The Council didn't help the Alliance militarily when it was attacked by the geth, they made Shepard a spectre. Why would they help the Alliance fight the Batarians when it's a "human problem"?

No offense but are you stupid? Buying a Dreadnought is not possible. Building kilometer long warships take the industry of empires.They don't need pirates and slavers to fight for them it was just more preferable to losing Batarian lives. Why would they use their military when hiring aliens works just fine? Their purpose was to scare humanity not fight them.

It's not hard to make dreadnoughts. Sure, it'd be a tad difficult, the only thing keeping smaller nations' count down is the treaty.

A lot of Batarians are slavers/pirates,and vise versa, so that arguement is invalid.

They wouldn't use theirs because it SUCKS. Which is what I just said.

[armass]

111987 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...

I'm not arguing the war wouldn't cost a lot of human lives. I'm arguing that the Batarians wouldn't win said war.

Missing colonies in the Terminus systems, which is beyond the jurdistiction of the Council anyways, is not the same thing as a full scale war. The Council intervened during the First Contact War, right? If they would intervene in that war, not why an SA-Batarian war?

They intervened because they realized the Turians the most powerful military power in the Galaxy was going for full scale war with a relative unknown. They likely wanted to stop another rachni situation and was a bit afraid that humans were secretly very powerful (in reality that wasn't the case).

The Batarians will lost no doubt about that but it will not be a short war nor easy. The Turians could do it because the believe in Total War and will utterly crush any form of resistance. They don't believe in civillian casualties and always turn a occupied race into a client race.

Well if we both believe the Batarians would lose the war, awesome. I have no problem with you saying it won't be a short or easy war if the Alliance faces them on their own.

Or it might end like Vietnam. History has shown that more powerful military doesnt always guarantee a victory. Perhaps the reapers will see this as well.

Modifié par armass, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:42 .

[1136342t54_]

bobdooly wrote...

It's not hard to make dreadnoughts. Sure, it'd be a tad difficult, the only thing keeping smaller nations' count down is the treaty.

A lot of Batarians are slavers/pirates,and vise versa, so that arguement is invalid.

They wouldn't use theirs because it SUCKS. Which is what I just said.

That's like saying its easy to make a large nuclear powered Aircraft carrier.

[111987]

In the case, I am willing to concede they have several dreadnaughts. I don't think they have the economy or industrial power to rival say, the Salarians (16) or the Asari (21), but they could possibly be around the amount of human dreadnaughts (8).

Of course we sadly don't know any more, so its all speculation. For all we know, they could have lost all their dreadnaughts, or maybe they've been building up a fleet of several dozens for the last couple decades.

[bobdooly]

1136342t54 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

It's not hard to make dreadnoughts. Sure, it'd be a tad difficult, the only thing keeping smaller nations' count down is the treaty.

A lot of Batarians are slavers/pirates,and vise versa, so that arguement is invalid.

They wouldn't use theirs because it SUCKS. Which is what I just said.

That's like saying its easy to make a large nuclear powered Aircraft carrier.

Dreadnoughts are determined by size in the ME universe. Anything over 800 meters. You could duct tape a couple cruisers together and have a dreadnought. It'd be crap, but there you go.

Modifié par bobdooly, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:42 .

[111987]

armass wrote...

111987 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

111987 wrote...

I'm not arguing the war wouldn't cost a lot of human lives. I'm arguing that the Batarians wouldn't win said war.

Missing colonies in the Terminus systems, which is beyond the jurdistiction of the Council anyways, is not the same thing as a full scale war. The Council intervened during the First Contact War, right? If they would intervene in that war, not why an SA-Batarian war?

They intervened because they realized the Turians the most powerful military power in the Galaxy was going for full scale war with a relative unknown. They likely wanted to stop another rachni situation and was a bit afraid that humans were secretly very powerful (in reality that wasn't the case).

The Batarians will lost no doubt about that but it will not be a short war nor easy. The Turians could do it because the believe in Total War and will utterly crush any form of resistance. They don't believe in civillian casualties and always turn a occupied race into a client race.

Well if we both believe the Batarians would lose the war, awesome. I have no problem with you saying it won't be a short or easy war if the Alliance faces them on their own.

Or it might end like Vietnam. History has shown that more powerful military doesnt always guarantee a victory.

That example is completley irrelevant. The U.S lost in Vietnam because the people they were fighting for didn't even want them there, and in many cases actively rebelled against them. Furthermore, the Vietnamese,  both North and South, all looked similar (not being racist here), so it was impossible to determine who was friend or foe.

The Batarians are another species. it is a totally different situation.

[1136342t54_]

[quote]bobdooly wrote...

[quote]bobdooly wrote...

[quote]1136342t54 wrote...

[quote]bobdooly wrote...
It doesn't take a great and powerful nation to make those 3 things. They could be all pirates and slavers and have just bought the dreadnought, used slaves for arms manurfacturing, and have trained commandos.

While I do agree that the batarians have a military, I just think it's a piece of absolute crap. The need pirates and slavers to fight their battles for them. About the Council intervening? The Council didn't help the Alliance militarily when it was attacked by the geth, they made Shepard a spectre. Why would they help the Alliance fight the Batarians when it's a "human problem"?

[/quote]

No offense but are you stupid? Buying a Dreadnought is not possible. Building kilometer long warships take the industry of empires.They don't need pirates and slavers to fight for them it was just more preferable to losing Batarian lives. Why would they use their military when hiring aliens works just fine? Their purpose was to scare humanity not fight them.

[/quote]

It's not hard to make dreadnoughts. Sure, it'd be a tad difficult, the only thing keeping smaller nations' count down is the treaty.

A lot of Batarians are slavers/pirates,and vise versa, so that arguement is invalid.

They wouldn't use theirs because it SUCKS. Which is what I just said.

EDIT: Also, I didn't say the dreadnought WAS bought, only that it was possible for it to have been.

[/quote]

No spacefaring race can survive without a military period. By saying the Batarians only have one dreadnought and use pirates and slavers as most of their military is just...wrong.

[111987]

EDIT: Double post

Modifié par 111987, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:42 .